Verdict: GUILTY for both Millard and Smich of 1st degree murder

[Kamille]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s39 seconds ago
Now we jump to Dungey's cross-examination of Hagerman. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 29s30 seconds ago
Skipping ahead to Smich lawyer Thomas Dungey cross of Hagerman. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 24s25 seconds ago
Now listening to Thomas Dungey's cross-examination of Matt Hagerman. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 53s53 seconds ago
Dungey suggests to him that Millard had various properties where he could've hid the toolbox. Hagerman agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 52s52 seconds ago
In the courtroom right now, Smich is turned to face the witness box, although nobody's actually there. Millard is looking around.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 38s38 seconds ago
Millard had various properties where he could have hidden a toolbox, Dungey said in his cross, and Hagerman agreed. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 49s50 seconds ago
Now moving to Dungee cross of Hagerman. pointing out DM made multiple calls to Hagerman may 10.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 48s49 seconds ago
Dungey lists Millard's properties saying he could have hid the toolbox there, "but he doesn't do that does he?" #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 48s49 seconds ago
"But he goes to you at four o'clock in the morning," Dungey said. Hagerman knew right away it was Millard who was texting from gf phone

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 26s27 seconds ago
Now hearing Dungey's cross of Hagerman. Wants to know why Millard came to Hagerman at 4 a.m. "Does that not raise suspicion?" asks Dungey.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 39s40 seconds ago
Wasn't Hagerman suspicious that Millard wanted to drop off a toolbox at that time? He had done illegal missions with Millard before. #Bosma

 

[mozzagirl]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
"I was fearful of the situation," Hagerman said. #TimBosma#Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Hagerman again says he only thought there were drugs in the toolbox. #TimBosma#Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 8s8 seconds ago
You can hear Hagerman crying on the tape, here. #TimBosma #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 22s23 seconds ago
Dungey suggests all their friends knew Millard had drugs. Suggested he must've known it wasn't drugs he was dropping off. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
"He goes to you," Dungey says. "Don't you find that suspicious?" the lawyer asks, recalling the theft missions Millard carried out. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 56s56 seconds ago
Hagerman agrees. Dungey suggests all Millard's close friends know about drugs. No secret that accounts for this 4 a.m. meeting.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 50s50 seconds ago
Everyone knew Millard had drugs, right? Dungey asked Hagerman. He couldn't possibly think Millard was so worried about drugs. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 43s43 seconds ago
He suggests Hagerman is just saying that so he's not charged. Hagerman insists it never crossed his mind it could be anything else. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 47s47 seconds ago
Dungey laying into Hagerman now. "You thought it was drugs all the time?" he asks. "Why are you so scared that you have to drop it off?"

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 59s59 seconds ago
Hagerman insists he never thought anything other than drugs were in the toolbox. So why was he so scared in Oakville? #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 44s44 seconds ago
Dungey asks him what the big deal was then. Hagerman said one of his friends was arrested in a theft, w a guy missing. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 54s54 seconds ago
Hagerman says "because a friend of mine has been charge in a serious crime." #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 54s54 seconds ago
"At no time" did he think toolbox contained anything other than drugs, Hagerman says. Millard arrest "was something I could never imagine."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 49s49 seconds ago
Because his friend was arrested and someone was missing, so he was panicking, Hagerman says.

 

[Abitcountry]

Or lack of sleep, too much coffee and not enough water?

Didn't the jurors have a marathon session just last night???

 

[Kamille]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Hagerman says it never crossed his mind that something might be in the toolbox other than drugs. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey suggests at that point (learned of arrest) it would've crossed his mind. Hagerman insists it did not. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 49s50 seconds ago
"It never crossed your little mind," Dungey says. "You didn't care." Hagerman was crumbling at that point in testimony. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 48s49 seconds ago
Jumping ahead now a bit in the tape of Dungey's cross. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Dungey accusing Hagerman of being a thief and not caring. Hagerman says "I did stupid things when I was younger."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Hagerman says later that it was in talking to friends he realized it was locked and anything else could've been in there. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 47s47 seconds ago
Through tears, now, Hagerman is saying to Dungey he didn't know what was in the toolbox. You're an adult, with lots of experience, Dungey.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 54s54 seconds ago
Hagerman says he talked to a number of people for advice and realized anything could have been in the toolbox. He's crying. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Now Hagerman crying under Dungey cross in audio.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 56s56 seconds ago
Dungey suggests it would have crossed his mind at least once it was not drugs. hagerman says it didn't .

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 52s52 seconds ago
In the courtroom right now, Smich is turned to face the witness box, although nobody's actually there. Millard is looking around.


Maybe trying to figure out where the voices are come from

 

[Kamille]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Jumping ahead again. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 59s59 seconds ago
Dungey accuses Hagerman of deceiving police in his interviews. "I was there to talk about the toolbox and the situation with Tim Bosma."

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 59s59 seconds ago
Now Dungey is confronting Hagerman about how he lied to police. "Answer the question sir," Dungey says. #TimBosam

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 56s56 seconds ago
Dungey was tough on Hagerman."You were being deceptive to police. You only talked about things they could prove. You weren't going to help."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 52s52 seconds ago
Dungey accuses Hagerman of lying to police repeatedly. Suggests he was only willing to help when he was in trouble. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Tearful Hagerman agreed he lied to police through 3 interviews, then went back to police with a story in 4th interview. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Hagerman is crying on the tape. He says he went to police for his 4th statement, after realizing it could be something else in there. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 48s49 seconds ago
dungy says u have lied to police. 4 times. and he was going to be arrested. Hagerman is blubbering. still saying he believes it's drugs.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Dungey suggests Hagerman knew the day he dropped toolbox in the stairwell that there was something in there other than drugs.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
"You wouldn't be afraid of dropping off some drugs," Dungey told Hagerman. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Hagerman says he didn't know what was in the toolbox. #TimBosma

 

[mozzagirl]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 7s7 seconds ago
In his cross, Dungey says Hagerman was being "deceptive to police." #TimBosma#Bosma He was interviewed 4 times, and lied the first 3.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 7s7 seconds ago
"You were protecting yourself because you were afraid you were going to be charged right?" Dungey said. #TimBosma#Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6s6 seconds ago
Hagerman said his "worst fear" was that there could be something else in there, as Millard was arrested. #TimBosma #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Dungey suggested Hagerman knew the gun was in the toolbox the day Millard dropped it off. Hagerman denied that. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Dungey says "I'm gonna suggest to you, you knew that the day you dropped off the toolbox," noting Michalski already had drugs. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 58s59 seconds ago
Dungey says he knew it wasn't drugs in the toolbox because Michalski already had the drugs in the knapsack.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 54s55 seconds ago
Dungey "you knew andrew had a whole bag of drugs. u cld smell it."Hagerman says he believes toolbox had drugs.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey suggests he knew the day it got dropped off that it wasn't drugs in there. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 57s58 seconds ago
Hagerman disagrees. Dungey suggests this just doesn't make sense. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 39s40 seconds ago
Hagerman knew that Michalski had drugs. Common sense would tell him something else was in the toolbox, Dungey suggested. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12s13 seconds ago
This was one of Dungey's most explosive cross-exams of the trial. He reduced Hagerman to tears on the stand. #Bosma

 

[MsSherlock]

MB did not pick up the letters from DM and then hand deliver them to CN. There had to have been someone who was in the position to obtain them legally give them to her thus knowingly providing her with them. Did she at that time, without all this information and knowledge we have been provided through this trial possibly imagine that her son was a possible serial killer????? All she possibly could have known was what DM & CN had told her and that was probably that MS "****ed up" and he was caught taking care of the mess. One of many victims of DM who has already bean dealt a life sentence.

I can't cut MB any slack at all. IMHO, she knew that DM was in very hot water but it's obvious that she didn't quite understand that her son wasn't exempt from following a Court Order. IMHO, some people do believe they're above everyone and everything else around them and I'm feeling that that was the case here. IMO, MB was not a victim. My thought is that she was trying to protect the vault that DM had the keys to. MOO

 

[Kamille]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 37s37 seconds ago
Dungey openly mocksHagerman that he knew it wasn't drugs. "u know it's nonsense. You were protecting yourself cause u r gong to be charged"

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 28s28 seconds ago
That never crossed my mind, Hagerman said. "Never crossed your mind!!" Dungey laughs incredulously, with flourish. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8s8 seconds ago
Dungey accuses Hagerman of knowing there was more than drugs in the toolbox and that's why he wanted to unload it.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 50s50 seconds ago
Several people chortle as Hagerman claims he was too naive to assume there was more than drugs in the toolbox. #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 38s38 seconds ago
Why were you so afraid? A friend of mine was arrested. There was a man missing who hadn't been found yet, Hagerman said tearfully

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 32s32 seconds ago
Dungey suggests he knew it was more than drugs, which was why he wanted to unload it. Hagerman says he was panicked bc of Millard's arrest.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 40s40 seconds ago
"i thought it was a small part and he wanted to get the incriminating things out of his home."

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 47s47 seconds ago
"I thought I was a small part of this," Hagerman said. "I thought he just wanted all these incriminating small things out of his house."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 45s45 seconds ago
Exactly. #TimBosma was still missing, Dungey said. Common sense would tell you something else was in the toolbox.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 45s45 seconds ago
Hagerman said he was scared because Millard was arrested in connection with Bosma, who hadn't yet been found. He didn't know Dell had a gun.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
He says he never in his wildest dreams thought Dellen would own a gun. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 59s59 seconds ago
"And I never expected him to pass it to me of all people, we were barely in contact at that time." #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 43s43 seconds ago
"I would never think he would have a gun in his house," Hagerman says. "And never would I think he would pass it to me." #TimBosma

 

[mozzagirl]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 36s36 seconds ago
"I thought he just wanted this incriminating small things out of his house ... I never expected him to pass it to me of all people." #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 43s43 seconds ago
Dungey said Hagerman "obstructed justice" and "misled the police." #TimBosma#Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 7s7 seconds ago
"Me and Andrew made a pact that this stuff was dumped on us ... the faster we got away from it, we could step away." #Bosma#TimBosma

 

[Kamille]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Dungey suggests Millard turned to Hagerman, his old friend, because he knew he would help.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
Hagerman explains he never thought DM would have a gun. let alone pass it to him. maintains he was joking when he said "guns haha"

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 57s57 seconds ago
Millard trusted Hagerman, Dungey says. What about the guns text? A joke. "Helluva joke," Dungey says. He still think it a joke at stairwell?

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 59s60 seconds ago
"It was never a joke," Hagerman says. "It's not a joke." Dungey agrees. "You obstructed justice. You misled the police." #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 47s48 seconds ago
Hagerman says it was never a joke, the situation. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 45s46 seconds ago
Hagerman agrees he lied to police and obstructed justice. Disagrees he was trying to protect Millard. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 56s57 seconds ago
"You're protecting your friend Dellen Millard," Dungey suggests. #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 52s52 seconds ago
"You're protecting your friend Dellen Millard," Dungey said. Hagerman didn't want to be charged, or his family, wanted "to step away"

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 51s51 seconds ago
"This stuff was dumped on us. We had no involvement," Hagerman says.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 39s39 seconds ago
"Me and Andrew made a pact that this stuff was dumped on us" and the sooner they can get rid of it the better. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 53s54 seconds ago
He realized he couldn't step away when police came to interview him, Hagerman agreed. Dungey asked whether he reflected on the toolbox then

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 49s50 seconds ago
Hagerman" This was dumped on us. The faster we got away from it. we could step away. we had no idea what was going on. "

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 44s45 seconds ago
Hagerman says no. He and Michalski made a pact: since it was dumped on them, the furthest and fastest they get rid of it, the better #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Hagerman says he realized there could have been something different in the toolbox after the 3rd time he talked to police. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Hagerman said he had a long conversation with his father and realized there might be something other than drugs in toolbox.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 54s54 seconds ago
"I would have never thought Dellen was involved in something like this," Hagerman says. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey asks why he didn't go to police. Hagerman says there's a lot of things he regrets. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Why didn't he tell police Millard came to his house at 4am. "There's a lot of things I regret," Hagerman sniffles. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 49s50 seconds ago
Hagerman said he had a lot of regrets about what he did and didn't do. #Bosma

 

[mozzagirl]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 15s15 seconds ago
"There's a lot of things I regret that I didn't do," Hagerman said. #TimBosma #Bosma


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 7s7 seconds ago
"You knew it was more than drugs," Dungey said. "No ... I swear to you," Hagerman said. #TimBosma #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Jumping ahead again. Millard turns and glances at Smich. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 31s32 seconds ago
"You knew it was more than drugs, right?" No, I swear to you, Hagerman says. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 22s23 seconds ago
Dungey pushes Hagerman, suggesting he would've known from circumstances that it was more than drugs. Hagerman insists he did not. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 39s40 seconds ago
Hagerman said he had no idea it was more than drugs. "You had to sir," Dungey said. "You're not that naiive." #TimBosma

 

[littlesauce]

My wondering about the palsy was based on seeing him in person at court a few times, just while being escorted in, or whatever.. and then I would think back to the photos I had seen, especially the mug shot, and it just made me wonder. Someone's description of the look of FAS.. sure wouldn't surprise me.. except that I had always thought that FAS facial features were lost as the child grew up. Maybe it is just an overbite thing. (Or is it underbite?)

Yes! I find the right side of his face kind of droops a bit, looks more worn and older. The left side, still is quite attractive. When he walks in from the holding room, he has the left side facing and he looks attractive (LOOKS only) and then when he sits down and turns around and faces from the right side, man he looks old. Two face complex lol

 

[Kamille]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
"It's better if I don't tell you," Millard said to Hagerman, according to Hagerman police statement from May 30, 2013.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Millard told Hagerman it would be better if he didn't say what was wrong with him. Hagerman wondered why he was disheveled. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 56s57 seconds ago
"I can maybe hide it from my parents," Hagerman told Millard after the request. He wanted to know what he was hiding. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 10s11 seconds ago
"He just handed me this yellow toolbox. It was very small," Hagerman told police. Then he asked Millard what was wrong.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
Hagerman told police Millard told him "it's better if i don't tell u." @AM900CHML

 

[Kamille]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 52s53 seconds ago
Dungey asks "Wouldn't you want to know" what was in the toolbox? Hagerman said "I honestly didn't think about it."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 49s50 seconds ago
Millard also told Hagerman, better if he didn't tell him what was in the toolbox, Dungey reads from statement. "Wouldn't u want to know?"

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 18s19 seconds ago
He asked Millard was what wrong noting his demeanour. dungy" Wouldn't u want to know?" I didn't think about it." hagerman says

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 37s37 seconds ago
"I've been holding onto this for a long time," Hagerman says. "I was really hoping there was nothing in (the toolbox)." #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 24s24 seconds ago
Hagerman said that he and Michalski dropped off the toolbox and bag of drugs "because it's what Dell would have wanted." #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 17s17 seconds ago
Did Michalski and Hagerman ever ask each other why Millard dropped off a toolbox with one and a backpack with the other? "Never once," says

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17s17 seconds ago
Dungey wants to know if Hagerman & Michalski ever had a conversation about why Millard dropped off toolbox and backpack? No, says Hagerman.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 42s42 seconds ago
Dungey suggests Hagerman would've wanted to know what was in it. Says it never crossed his mind. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 19s19 seconds ago
"We were in a state of shock," Hagerman says. "Because you thought there was more than drugs in the toolbox," Dungey snaps back

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 34s34 seconds ago
Hagerman says he and Michalski were in a state of shock. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 27s27 seconds ago
Dungey asks Did u have a conversation w Michalski about why DM dropped off the toolbox and Back pack. Hagerman ... "no, i don't think so. "