Victim - Melissa Barthelemy

[LR1]

Amanda is Melissa Barthelemy's sister the one who got the calls and Lynn is Melissa's Mother. Melissa's step father worked at the diner. I'm not sure where the Ela's work
someone correct me if I'm wrong.

for the record this post was directed at the one above, as you can see the post above was edited thirty seven minutes after it was posted. it originally questioned who Lynn was as the poster didn't know. there was also a question in the post asking if the Ela's worked at the diner. my editing this post is to both explain my comment and to keep a coherent line of conversation for the people who might come along later and read this forum. lesson has been learned, always quote the post you're replying to.

 

[Just K]

Amanda is Melissa Barthelemy's sister the one who got the calls and Lynn is Melissa's Mother. Melissa's step father worked at the diner. I'm not sure where the Ela's work
someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Nope, the mother who recieved the call at work was Lorraine (Megan's mother). I'm pretty sure.

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www.nj.com › New Jersey Real-Time News › Hudson County
Dec 14, 2011 – ... 46, of Portland, Maine and the aunt of Megan Waterman, one of the 10 ... with Lorraine Waterman Ela, mother of victim Megan Waterman and ...

 

[Just K]

http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=1622750008&targetid=profile

An anonymous caller has left her several voicemails at work stating that he is a police officer from Long Island who wants to speak with her.
Ela said the caller had an unusual tone and that police in Long Island have her proper contact information and would not call her at work.
She said she was not able to identify the number because the person is calling from a private line. She said she contacted Long Island police about the issue, who told her to note the time and let her know when the caller dialed again.
...someone trying to scare me to keep my mouth shut, but Im Megan's voice, and I'm going to keep it out there whether they like it or not, Ela said.

 

[Theforeigner]

Do we know when MB's mother received a call from someone stating he was w/NYPD asking her if she had filed a missing persons' report? Do we know if it falls somewhere in the the timeline of the calls to MB's sister? Do we know if that callers' number was identified?

Lynn Barthelemy is Melissa Barthelemy's mother.

http://m.cbsnews.com/searchfullstory.rbml?catid=57344731&query=pets await

Quote:

"About a week after Melissa disappeared, her 15-year-old sister, Amanda, got a call from Melissa's phone.

"When Amanda answered the phone, you know, she was so excited," Lynn said. "'Oh my God, Melissa's finally calling me.' And then, there's a guy on the other end."

"And this voice is saying, 'Oh, this isn't Melissa,'" Cohen explained. "...he was soft-spoken and had - a very controlled and comfortable manner of speech, which made his horrific messages all the more devastating and he began to toy with her... And for the very first time, she heard the voice of the killer."

Suffolk County police told "48 Hours" that they believe the caller was, in fact, Melissa's killer.

And the calls didn't stop coming. Eight in total, including one in which the likely killer spoke to Lynn. That time, he claimed he was with the NYPD and wanted to know if she had filed a missing persons report. But mainly he focused on Melissa's little sister and called to terrify her.

"And the killer said some pretty horrible things to Amanda," Cohen told Moriarty. "Sexually explicit things as to what he had done to Melissa, sexually explicit things as to what he was going to do to Amanda."

After the third call, police asked Verizon to tap Amanda's phone.

Authorities were able to trace some of the calls to a handful of busy locations in midtown Manhattan; near the Port Authority, the Empire State Building and Times Square. The caller always hung up before he could be identified. But the police were learning a lot about him based on his voice.

"I believe that he is between - his late 20s and his late 30s," Cohen said. "I've been led to believe by Amanda and by the data that I have that he is a white male.""

 

[Theforeigner]

I´v tried to find the origin of the possible info on Megan Waterman's mother possibly reciving calls, possibly from the killer/ fake SCPD officer.

I found NO official newsreports on that info.
What I did find was a post by myself over at the other LISK form from back in June 13th, 2011.
The source I gave was the now closed down www.findshannangilbert.com website, SO that is apparently wherefrom this info? rumor? came.
So wheter it is true or not? I don´t know. :

This is a copy of my 2011 post:

I found the original info concerning the calls to Megan Waterman’s mother:

http://www.findshannangilbert.com/latest-threats-wont-stop-megans-family/

“An anonymous caller has left her [victim Megan Waterman's mother Lorraine Ela] several voicemails at work stating that he is a police officer from Long Island who wants to speak with her. Ela said the caller had an unusual tone and that police in Long Island have her proper contact information and would not call her at work. She said she was not able to identify the number because the person is calling from a private line. She said she contacted Long Island police about the issue, who told her to note the time and let her know when the caller dialed again.”
“It’s someone trying to scare me to keep my mouth shut, but I’m Megan’s voice, and I’m going to keep it out there whether they like it or not,” Ela said.

Wondering on June 13th, 2011 at 5:31 am


SO...maybe BOTH mothers recived calls?

 

[fred&edna]

Thank you TheForeigner! Maybe I'm not confused about this.

I am very interested in all this contact with the families though, whether it's the killer or someone else. It's too bad we don't have a date for the timeline.

 

[fred&edna]

Also, it's interesting to note that...

"The Barthelemy family, who lives in Buffalo, called every person listed on Melissa's cell phone record. And they talked repeatedly with the last person they knew who saw their daughter."

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-07-30/...thelemy-maureen-brainard-barnes/3?_s=PM:CRIME

I wonder if JTerry is the person they repeatedly spoke with or was it a client?

 

[Theforeigner]

Also, it's interesting to note that...

"The Barthelemy family, who lives in Buffalo, called every person listed on Melissa's cell phone record. And they talked repeatedly with the last person they knew who saw their daughter."

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-07-30/...thelemy-maureen-brainard-barnes/3?_s=PM:CRIME

I wonder if JTerry is the person they repeatedly spoke with or was it a client?

In the newsreport, of July 30, 2011, that you linked to, it says:

Quote:

"On the last call, Lynn Barthelemy says the man confessed.

"He did confirm that he did kill her," she said. "That's why we are thinking this guy obviously held these girls and tortured them. Otherwise, why else would he have called for over a month? Unless he was just torturing us."

No other family got such calls. "

SO...that might debunk the info that Megan Waterman's mother recived calls from the posssible killer due to that the info I posted, on the other LISK forum, was from June 13th, 2011, two weeks PRIOR to the newsreport that says "No other family got such calls"
But then again mayeb not!?

I wish some relative of Megan Waterman, or somone who communicate with the family, was a member here, and could verify wheter that/those alleged calles was made to MW's mother.

 

[Tugela]

In the newsreport, of July 30, 2011, that you linked to, it says:

Quote:

"On the last call, Lynn Barthelemy says the man confessed.

"He did confirm that he did kill her," she said. "That's why we are thinking this guy obviously held these girls and tortured them. Otherwise, why else would he have called for over a month? Unless he was just torturing us."

No other family got such calls. "

SO...that might debunk the info that Megan Waterman's mother recived calls from the posssible killer due to that the info I posted, on the other LISK forum, was from June 13th, 2011, two weeks PRIOR to the newsreport that says "No other family got such calls"
But then again mayeb not!?

I wish some relative of Megan Waterman, or somone who communicate with the family, was a member here, and could verify wheter that/those alleged calles was made to MW's mother.

IMO the reason MB's family got calls, whereas the other families did not probably has to do with if the girls had their personal phones with them at the time and what sort of information was on those phones. Escorts typically have a personal phone that they use for their non-escort life, and one or more other phones, which they use for work. You wont find any work-related information on their personal phone and you wont find personal information on their work phones. The reason for that is so that no awkward phone calls come in at awkward times that might need explaining.

MB probably had her personal phone on her when she was taken, and that phone likely had a lot of personal information, such as photos, communications, relatuionships, phone numbers, addresses and such things, for friends and family on it. That would explain why the killer knew so much. At that point MB was probably long dead, but the information on her phone was not.

The other girls either didn't have their personal phones on them, or they were locked so the killer couldn't access the information on them.

 

[Tugela]

ktgirl-I don't think that the "older white guy" that Melissa knew (the one who JT stated that she would visit on LI) was ever identified. If I recall correctly, JT told the police that he would show them where the guy lived. JT stated that the police never came to meet him.

It is fairly common for escorts to be on good terms with one or more "older guys" who are regulars. The reasons vary, but clients like that are usually undemanding, generally respectfull and are a reliable source of income. So they get treated better and sometimes end up becoming friends of sorts with the girls.

 

[Theforeigner]

IMO the reason MB's family got calls, whereas the other families did not probably has to do with if the girls had their personal phones with them at the time and what sort of information was on those phones. Escorts typically have a personal phone that they use for their non-escort life, and one or more other phones, which they use for work. You wont find any work-related information on their personal phone and you wont find personal information on their work phones. The reason for that is so that no awkward phone calls come in at awkward times that might need explaining.

MB probably had her personal phone on her when she was taken, and that phone likely had a lot of personal information, such as photos, communications, relatuionships, phone numbers, addresses and such things, for friends and family on it. That would explain why the killer knew so much. At that point MB was probably long dead, but the information on her phone was not.

The other girls either didn't have their personal phones on them, or they were locked so the killer couldn't access the information on them.

Agree 100%

 

[fred&edna]

IMO the reason MB's family got calls, whereas the other families did not probably has to do with if the girls had their personal phones with them at the time and what sort of information was on those phones. Escorts typically have a personal phone that they use for their non-escort life, and one or more other phones, which they use for work. You wont find any work-related information on their personal phone and you wont find personal information on their work phones. The reason for that is so that no awkward phone calls come in at awkward times that might need explaining.

MB probably had her personal phone on her when she was taken, and that phone likely had a lot of personal information, such as photos, communications, relatuionships, phone numbers, addresses and such things, for friends and family on it. That would explain why the killer knew so much. At that point MB was probably long dead, but the information on her phone was not.

The other girls either didn't have their personal phones on them, or they were locked so the killer couldn't access the information on them.

IF it was the killer (as SCPD reportedly believes) he is certainly an arrogant .

Going back to the possible ties to LE... maybe he knew the family was having problems filing a missing persons report?

 

[deedee21]

Good point. Or he had to have realized the nature of his calls would prompt the family to call the police. Its also his way of playing with the police.

 

[Just K]

FROM DEC 15, 2011: The Original Source re: Lorraine Ela receiving calls at work.

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Ela Waterman (Megan Waterman's mother)
Found the Ela Waterman calls:

http://blog.scarboroughleader.com/20...r-tragedy.aspx
"An anonymous caller has left her several voicemails at work stating that he is a police officer from Long Island who wants to speak with her.

http://www.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/...3-22T22:42:36&firstName=Lorraine&lastName=Ela


Curious that this very in depth description, by Ela, of the calls to Ela, has been virtually erased. These were direct quotes...and it was before the family was asked not to give out details of the investigation. Why wouldn't SCPD want all the info out there to identify this caller?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I´v tried to find the origin of the possible info on Megan Waterman's mother possibly reciving calls, possibly from the killer/ fake SCPD officer.

I found NO official newsreports on that info.
What I did find was a post by myself over at the other LISK form from back in June 13th, 2011.
The source I gave was the now closed down www.findshannangilbert.com website, SO that is apparently wherefrom this info? rumor? came.
So wheter it is true or not? I don´t know. :

This is a copy of my 2011 post:

I found the original info concerning the calls to Megan Waterman’s mother:

http://www.findshannangilbert.com/latest-threats-wont-stop-megans-family/

“An anonymous caller has left her [victim Megan Waterman's mother Lorraine Ela] several voicemails at work stating that he is a police officer from Long Island who wants to speak with her. Ela said the caller had an unusual tone and that police in Long Island have her proper contact information and would not call her at work. She said she was not able to identify the number because the person is calling from a private line. She said she contacted Long Island police about the issue, who told her to note the time and let her know when the caller dialed again.”
“It’s someone trying to scare me to keep my mouth shut, but I’m Megan’s voice, and I’m going to keep it out there whether they like it or not,” Ela said.

Wondering on June 13th, 2011 at 5:31 am


SO...maybe BOTH mothers recived calls?

That info on Lorraine Ela was in msm. I recall it very well, though can not find it now. As you know, links go poof over time (which is why it's a VERY good idea to post a relevant snippet from the article when posting a link).

 

[fred&edna]

I believe LEla did receive a suspicious call (maybe more than one) but there was no tie to it being "possibly" from the killer... as opposed to MB's family.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Since the very begining of this case, I've been convinced that the GB4 dumpsite was a trophy case to LISK. That's the main reason I've always been so sure he either lives very close by, or travels Ocean Parkway as apart of a regular loop. He watched that dumpsite, and got off on the sense of power he got from knowing they were there in plain sight, but only he could pick them out in the terrain. I think that's why he used burlap...it blends into the natural terrain, unless you know what to look for,like he did, you wouldn't see it.

I know you guys have been hearing me say this for almost 3 years now, but I'm not repeating it now just to drive my point home. I'm repeating it because I ran across a documentary on the case I hadn't yet seen, and something jump out and slapped me right across the face.

Look at what Melissa's stepfather says around the 12:12 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXtj-b8AYRo

This is the first time I have ever heard this direct quote from LISK, and it confirms my longheld belief that he watched his trophy case, not just in passing, but on a regular basis.

So, what I would like locals to tell me is where can you spend a good amount of time (say an hour or more) and see the dumpsite, without standing out in a major way? Can you see it from a house, a local bar, a fishing spot,a park, anything? And what might be an existing marker LISK might have used to pick the site out at a quick glance? Is there a unique sign nearby? Is it directly across from something? Is there a mile marker? Anything like that?

Thanks.

 

[nugzter]

Since the very begining of this case, I've been convinced that the GB4 dumpsite was a trophy case to LISK. That's the main reason I've always been so sure he either lives very close by, or travels Ocean Parkway as apart of a regular loop. He watched that dumpsite, and got off on the sense of power he got from knowing they were there in plain sight, but only he could pick them out in the terrain. I think that's why he used burlap...it blends into the natural terrain, unless you know what to look for,like he did, you wouldn't see it.

I know you guys have been hearing me say this for almost 3 years now, but I'm not repeating it now just to drive my point home. I'm repeating it because I ran across a documentary on the case I hadn't yet seen, and something jump out and slapped me right across the face.

Look at what Melissa's stepfather says around the 12:12 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXtj-b8AYRo

This is the first time I have ever heard this direct quote from LISK, and it confirms my longheld belief that he watched his trophy case, not just in passing, but on a regular basis.

So, what I would like locals to tell me is where can you spend a good amount of time (say an hour or more) and see the dumpsite, without standing out in a major way? Can you see it from a house, a local bar, a fishing spot,a park, anything? And what might be an existing marker LISK might have used to pick the site out at a quick glance? Is there a unique sign nearby? Is it directly across from something? Is there a mile marker? Anything like that?

Thanks.

Yes, this has been discussed in pretty good detail after the Docu was released. Some interpret it as he was holding the girls dead bodies somewhere close by , then dumping the bodies at OB. I tend to believe the same as you. But the choice of words is very interesting.” Watch”. It could mean anything.
The important part of this Docu for me is the part around 10:26 where the narrator describes that it wasn't until the 3rd call until the police started tracing the signal. In today’s day and age with all the technology that LE has at their disposal, they MUST have a recording of his voice.
(And I bet you the families attorney made sure at least one of the calls was recorded.)
That would leave 4 calls if 7 were made in total. An average of 3 mins per call. That’s 12 mins of evidence. If they did or did not have a warrant, they could still match a voice with very good accuracy to the killer. At least enough to know a POI would be their man. Then they can start building a case. So all you CPH=LISK theorist, are more than likely barking up the wrong tree.

 

[nugzter]

And I just caught this after watching this Docu at least 10 times. Dormer said at 10:44 " it sounds like he was aware of what happened to the victim" Why SOUNDS and not appears or any other word.....?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Yes, this has been discussed in pretty good detail after the Docu was released. Some interpret it as he was holding the girls dead bodies somewhere close by , then dumping the bodies at OB. I tend to believe the same as you. But the choice of words is very interesting.” Watch”. It could mean anything.
The important part of this Docu for me is the part around 10:26 where the narrator describes that it wasn't until the 3rd call until the police started tracing the signal. In today’s day and age with all the technology that LE has at their disposal, they MUST have a recording of his voice.
(And I bet you the families attorney made sure at least one of the calls was recorded.)
That would leave 4 calls if 7 were made in total. An average of 3 mins per call. That’s 12 mins of evidence. If they did or did not have a warrant, they could still match a voice with very good accuracy to the killer. At least enough to know a POI would be their man. Then they can start building a case. So all you CPH=LISK theorist, are more than likely barking up the wrong tree.

BBM

I don't believe that for a second. And apparently, neither did Dormer, because he clearly states in this documentary, that LE believes the victims were dumped shortly after they were killed.

This guy doesn't hold on to the bodies, imo. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, once these girls were dead, they were useless to him, and he dumped them like broken toys. In fact, I'd bet my farm that his psychological make-up is such that he couldn't hold on to them, even if he wanted to. He's up close and personal when hunting and killing, but once the deed is done, there's a need to create an emotional distance, imo. Fantasy is a driving force with this guy, and I don't think he can allow the ugly truth to intrude on that.

All just MOO.