giagreen
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I'd call as I was driving around blending in with traffic. Or if he sounded drunk I'd think outside a bar smoking.
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Having worked in the area that the calls came from, I have to say calling from a parking garage in Manhattan, especially near PA/Times Square/Penn Station would be the last place that he would choose. The parking lots are busy, they are they are extremely expensive, it takes a long time to navigate in and out - often garage attendants are the ones who park and retrieve the cars since space is at a premium, you need to pay to leave, cars are held up at the exits for long periods of time while waiting for a break between pedestrians on the sidewalks, there are cameras, etc. and so on.
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Apologies if this has been discussed; I haven't been on the LISK forum in some time. Thinking about Jessica's tattoo, and reading about the killer mentioning Johnny Terry's tatts in one of the calls, have we had discussion/ideas wrt how the killer might have known that physical aspect about Johnny?
The most likely explanation would be that Melissa had photos of Terry on her phone IMO.
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I think Marble is right on this one with him seeing pictures on MB phone. But it has always stood out to me as odd that the dude even said anything about Terry's tattoo. It goes hand in hand with the mutilation of Jessica's tattoo. Her tattoo I think was mutilated just because and not to hide her identity. It makes me feel stronger about the one killer theory. And points to the fact this guy hates tattoos. And that paints a better picture of he might be as a person in his everyday life.
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Your right. I didn't even think about the age it points out. There is no way he is my age and hates tattoos with a passion. I'm 28. He'd have to be in his 40's 50's if not older if we base it on age. imo
And really that sounds about right if he is responsible for some of the earlier murders.
Safe to say he probably isn't a hipster or trustafarian.
And really that sounds about right if he is responsible for some of the earlier murders.
Safe to say he probably isn't a hipster or trustafarian.
JT would know if pics of his tattoos were on MB phone or not. We may never know. Its speculated that the killer stalked his victims. JT may have been with MB when that was done. Maybe he was not wearing a shirt at the time. Or he wore a T-shirt. The killer did say he knew where to find him. He may have seen him in person.
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I bet he thinks about it. How couldn't he? I'd be racking my brain everyday trying to think of anyone we came in contact with who seemed a bit off.
Deedee do you think they were stalked? I think you said you did in the past?
I do. I think they were at least followed after their last call. The one thing I've noticed at least with MW and MBB is they both seemed to be done for the day. Especially MBB.
It would be so easy to call and set up a date then just not show up. Then sit and wait till you see them come out of where ever they said to meet them at. Or even just stalk them for weeks after the missed dates. I think this dude got off on the hunt.
That's an interesting point that I haven't really considered (I've always assumed these were random). It's not out of the realm of possibilities that the killer set up no-show dates with these women days or even weeks (months?) before he killed them at which time he had followed them back to their homes or otherwise watched their patterns/stalked them. If he did this far enough in advance from when he actually attacked them, his own snooping pattern/no-show date calls would probably have fallen too far outside the time periods the detectives were looking into to justify the time it would take to dig back that far into the known movements and call history of each of the women.
Hmmmm.
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By setting up a date weeks or days maybe months ahead of time. Doesnt show up. Escorts like oh no call...no show. It happens. And moves on with life with outba clue they are being watched.
Personally if I was going to kill an escort that's how I'd do it to avoid being linked. Not that I'd ever do that but they say if u wanna catch a killer you gotta think like one.
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Let me rephrase
On the night Megan went missing; how did the "homicidal john" make sure Megan didn't tell her pimp whom she's going to meet with?
How about Maureen, Melissa, Amber?
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Who says they were going to meet the killer? I've never seen anything that said for a fact that the last call they ever recived was in fact from the killer. Wasn't one of the last phone calls to MW from an off duty police officer? If he isn't the killer then the killer wasn't the last person to call her.
I guess its all personal belief but I've never beleived the last calls tyey recived where from the killer and I've never seen any reports stating that as fact. To me its just what one would assume.
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So, how do they meet with this killer john then?
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It's a simple question...
How does the "homicidal john" make sure the victim isn't telling anyone "I'm going to meet such such person" ?
a) He must be saying something like "Don't tell anybody where you are going" and the victim obeys
b) He doesn't say anything. It's just pure luck that none of these girls named the person they are going to meet
c) There is no mysterious john.
Supposedly this john (which there's no fact to think he exists), tells his victim not to take her phone (which makes no sense at all), not to tell anybody where she would be going (still waiting an explanation as to what might be said to convince the victim) and the victim (Megan in this case) won't even take her make up with her...
I don't know what your take on these girls is, but although they may not be the smartest cats out there, they sure are no idiots. They know what they are doing, they are well aware of the risks.
Can somebody please put a theory about how it is a john and how he managed to commit these murders?
How does the "homicidal john" make sure the victim isn't telling anyone "I'm going to meet such such person" ?
a) He must be saying something like "Don't tell anybody where you are going" and the victim obeys
b) He doesn't say anything. It's just pure luck that none of these girls named the person they are going to meet
c) There is no mysterious john.
Supposedly this john (which there's no fact to think he exists), tells his victim not to take her phone (which makes no sense at all), not to tell anybody where she would be going (still waiting an explanation as to what might be said to convince the victim) and the victim (Megan in this case) won't even take her make up with her...
I don't know what your take on these girls is, but although they may not be the smartest cats out there, they sure are no idiots. They know what they are doing, they are well aware of the risks.
Can somebody please put a theory about how it is a john and how he managed to commit these murders?
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Your right. Its a simple question and I've actually got my answer. But I am currently drinking gin and tonics with my neighbor. Lol and to answer on my phone would mean I'd have to ignore my guest for next 30 min as I type on here. This is a good convo and I wanna answer and will about what I personally think once I don't have companie. Seriously I don't have a life....this is huge. I've got someone in person to talk about this with lmao
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Emre, almost everything you said is basically why I beleive they were all stalked for a period of time before being snatch up off the streets while walking alone. Weather it was a client they new or recognize and got in the car willingly with or forcefully I don't know. It could of even been a little bit of both. Regardless, all four girls were pretty small. Why do you think that is? Sexual fetish? Killer hates small women? Easy to throw in the brush? Or maybe because the smaller the victim the easier to over power?
And if your going to be snatching women off the streets you need to make it fast and easy....right? So nobody sees you doing it. You also need to watch and wait for the perfect moment to grab them unless if you wanna be caught.
If these girls were being stalked then it only make sense that how they went missing is a complete mystery. There is nothing that actually proves for a fact any one of these girls where offered big bucks to do a secret call. Or had a secret date.
There is also nothing at all that proves they were asked to leave their phones behind. Personally, I think dude likes playing with their phones. Yes. Dave Schaller say Amber was asked to leave her phone behind but I don't care what anyone says I take what he says with a grain of salt. He never reported Amber missing. No one did. Your roommate is asked to leave her phone behind while going on a call with an unknown john and never comes home and you don't think to report her missing? He obviously didn't truly care about her safety. I don't care what anyone says I think he knows how bad it makes him look as a human if he admitted he didn't want her to take the phone because he wanted it. He didn't care about her safety. I'm not convinced she was truly asked not to bring a phone. I think Dave just wanted the phone.
MW why did she go outside? I don't know and neither does anyone els. Did she go out to smoke a cigarette? Take a walk to the store? Maybe she really did just want some fresh air. If she was being stalked then that'd be that perfect moment he was waiting for. Would it not? I can't count the times I've been at a hotel and have wondered out side because I was sick of being cooped up in that room.
The other two had their phones on them. And both phones were messed with by the killer. They obviously were not told to leave them behind.
With MB there is nothing to prove she was killed by who ever she was going to meet that day. As far as anyone knows she was done with her call and was headed back home. Or to another call. Again, if she was being stalked as she walked the perfect moment the killer had been waiting for might have came and she was taken.
What is interesting to me is that the throwaway phones where purchased in Manhattan. And Maureen was last seen in Manhattan. And Maureen was also the first to go missing. I do not believe for one moment she took a last moment call. She stood 4 feet 11 inches tall and was 105 pounds!!! How hard could it of been to force her into a car? She was done for the day and was walking. Hmmm
MBB is the odd ball really. The other girls were all some how connected to Holiday inn. But not MBB and she was the first. That says something.
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