Victim - Melissa Barthelemy

[LindsayLohan6]

It tells us that LISK did not immediately kill Melissa.

How does the killer contacting Melissa's family tell us that he did not immediately kill Melissa? Sorry it doesn't tell us that all. The killer could obviously contact her family after she was dead. Blaze knew where the John lived who Melissa was going to see for the $1000. If he kept her alive for a time, would he do it on property connected to him? If the police had come looking for Melissa they might go to him first. Blaze knew where this John's house is....do does he live alone? Does he live with a wife and only hired Melissa when his wife was away? Why was Melissa's phone used at two Massapequa hotels?

 

[marble]

Not necessarily. If it was the John she was chummy with, he could have been told about Blaze's tattoo at some other point in time. Or he could have looked at photos on MB's phone

Of course it's all conjecture, but I'm guessing the tattoo description came from a photo on MB's phone.

 

[Robert Anderson]

Of course it's all conjecture, but I'm guessing the tattoo description came from a photo on MB's phone.

He called Melissa's sister with a fair amount of information about her, as well as Blaze. I don't see it coming by flipping through a phone. It's pretty clear he got information from Melissa, and it wasn't from chit chat on the way to his house.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

According to Blaze Melissa was "chummy" with the older man John on LI who she went to see that night for a $1000 date. If this john is the killer, he might have already known all that information from the previous time spent with Melissa. Sounds like he was regular, and chummy isn't a word used to describe the typical John/Escort relationship. Blaze even knows were the house is. So she wouldn't need to "held" for him to have some of this info if the John is the killer. When the killer called Amanda he said "I hear your a half-breed". If that's an accurate quotation it is revealing, because it makes it sounds like the killer was told by someone, possibly Melissa that her sister is biracial.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Blaze says Melissa goes on a $1000 date the night she goes missing with the John she is chummy with. Now that's not an hour or even two hour date. That's an overnight rate isn't it? So Blaze knows where this guy lives, he's driven Melissa to the house. If the John is married would he really have young girls coming in for all his neighbors to see when his wife is away? Maybe he has the kind of house where the driveway is hidden from view. Does he live in Massapequa? On the same night Melissa left, her phone checks the voicemail from the budget inn and the best western in Massapequa. So Melissa got to Long Island. How? She turned down a ride from Blaze. Did the SK pick her up? If the police know who this John is, isn't he the killer? In what scenario does Melissa go way out to LI for an overnight date with this John and he's not the killer?

 

[deedee21]

John Terry said she was secretive about her plans. She turned down a ride. Thats the opposite of saying she was going to his house. Natuarlly JT would tell LE about the guy she was chummy with. She was missing.

 

[deedee21]

Google Daily Beast Melissa Barthelemy Long Island serial killers victims secret life.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

In Lost Girls he says she went to the John's house that she was chummy with. He said when police came to him they asked him to describe the house and he said they already knew about the guy.

 

[deedee21]

Thanks for looking. Zodiac makes me think of the EAR/ONS cases... IIRC he made a few calls back to the rape victims.

The killer called Amanda 8 times. Why wont LE release the killers voice? Hawk, would you have any insight why they wont let the public help identify his voice?

 

[Robert Anderson]

John Terry said she was secretive about her plans. She turned down a ride. Thats the opposite of saying she was going to his house. Natuarlly JT would tell LE about the guy she was chummy with. She was missing.

You've nailed the critical point DeeDee! This is precisely the issue here.

 

[fieldnotes]

The killer called Amanda 8 times. Why wont LE release the killers voice? Hawk, would you have any insight why they wont let the public help identify his voice?

Sadly, I don't think they recorded it. If they had it all this time and were not asking the public to identify it they are criminally negligent IMO.

 

[deedee21]

Sadly, I don't think they recorded it. If they had it all this time and were not asking the public to identify it they are criminally negligent IMO.

I hooe your wrong. They put a trace on the phone. Every effort was made to catch him. Im going to assume they recorded his voice.

 

[maddalena1]

Interestingly, I had the same wild guess that Shannon may have been shown snuff and that is what sent her running for her life.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Sadly, I don't think they recorded it. If they had it all this time and were not asking the public to identify it they are criminally negligent IMO.

Maybe they already know who the killer is? If you think about, they've made no effort to ask the public for help to identify the killer, only the UID

 

[LindsayLohan6]

To me it sounds like Blaze meant she was being secretive about how she was getting to LI, since he already knew where she was going and to whom according to Lost girls

 

[maddalena1]

I have been following this case for 6 years and here is my profile:

Not married
Wealthy white older man in in his 60s
Womanizer
Has a luxury apartment in Manhattan and Long Island
Extremely intelligent (ivy league caliber of intelligence)
Mentally fragmented
Police would never suspect him because he comes across as an upstanding citizen
He keeps the phone as trophies in his Manhattan apartment

 

[Robert Anderson]

I have been following this case for 6 years and here is my profile:

Not married
Wealthy white older man in in his 60s
Womanizer
Has a luxury apartment in Manhattan and Long Island
Extremely intelligent (ivy league caliber of intelligence)
Mentally fragmented
Police would never suspect him because he comes across as an upstanding citizen
He keeps the phone as trophies in his Manhattan apartment

Kudos for taking a stab at a profile, but why in this thread I dunno. The phone I guess?

LISK is almost certainly a sadistic power and control freak, intending to control the victims even in death. (Ritualized burial etc)

Curious as to the reasoning behind your listed attributes. It sounds counter-intuitive that someone killing prostitutes isn't really making a statement about sex in the way normal people regard it, but it tends to be true.

Why a womanizer? Most of these guys aren't Romeos. People point to Bundy to counter this argument but don't even know that he was a compulsive nose picker. Seriously. As in almost non stop.

("Power and Control serial killers enjoy their victim's terror, suffering and screaming. These killers tend to be very organized and they usually have a history of childhood abuse, which left them feeling powerless and inadequete as adults. Many of these killers also sexually abuse their victims, but they are not motivated by feelings of lust. To them, rape is simply another form of dominating the victim.")

 

[maddalena1]

Yes, the phone call he made to Melissa's little sister is what inspired me to post my "gut felt" profile of this killer. Forgot the "power and control" aspect which is so very important to the add profile.

 

[maddalena1]

Maybe a womanizer because he was/is very handsome successful and is both attracted and repulsed by woman due to being mentally fragmented. What you see is not what you get from this man. He covers his evil with a soft spoken, perhaps even charming, mask that matches the tone of voice that Melissa sister heard. The words that she heard did not match the softness of his voice. I suspect that he enjoys putting his hands around his lovers necks during sex and/or for them to act lifeless. I read that some believe he has a place for the bodies to decompose, to reduce the forensic matter, before he dumps the bodies.

 

[Aleph]

Kudos for taking a stab at a profile, but why in this thread I dunno. The phone I guess?

LISK is almost certainly a sadistic power and control freak, intending to control the victims even in death. (Ritualized burial etc)

Curious as to the reasoning behind your listed attributes. It sounds counter-intuitive that someone killing prostitutes isn't really making a statement about sex in the way normal people regard it, but it tends to be true.

Why a womanizer? Most of these guys aren't Romeos. People point to Bundy to counter this argument but don't even know that he was a compulsive nose picker. Seriously. As in almost non stop.

("Power and Control serial killers enjoy their victim's terror, suffering and screaming. These killers tend to be very organized and they usually have a history of childhood abuse, which left them feeling powerless and inadequete as adults. Many of these killers also sexually abuse their victims, but they are not motivated by feelings of lust. To them, rape is simply another form of dominating the victim.")

Haha, where did you read that about Bundy?


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