Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #3

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Mountlake Terrace police concede they’re withholding information in the death of Cheryl DeBoer but say it’s to maintain the integrity of the investigation. “These things take time,” police say

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Pickard said police are being cautious about what information is released because detectives don’t want to damage the integrity of the investigation.
“We want to do what we can to hold sensitive information back until we see the phone, computer and lab results,” he said.

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Pickard said police are not trying to be cagey by releasing only small pieces of information. He said he suspects that once the investigation is concluded, people will understand why some information was withheld.
“We want closure, too,” he said. “We want it for the community and most of all for the family.”

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...n-continues-as-police-await-forensic-results/

Just my opinion but if it was stranger danger there would be no need for all this hush hush, me thinks I smell a rat.. I could very well be wrong and in a way hope I am, but I dunno, just saying
 
Just my opinion but if it was stranger danger there would be no need for all this hush hush, me thinks I smell a rat.. I could very well be wrong and in a way hope I am, but I dunno, just saying

As in the last person who saw her?
 
http://q13fox.com/2016/02/15/family-employer-identify-body-found-in-culvert-as-cheryl-deboer/

this report was made on the 15th, LE said the public was not in danger. If the public is not in danger then LE must believe she knew her attacker. Humm...report also says some of her belongings were missing but did not say what those items were.
I also felt she was attacked and knows the person. The random location of the culvert would line up better here than a suicide.

But, I also thought when LE said they were exploring other possibilities, could she have been hit by a car? Doesn't really go with the blood and cuts but who knows.

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Just my opinion but if it was stranger danger there would be no need for all this hush hush, me thinks I smell a rat.. I could very well be wrong and in a way hope I am, but I dunno, just saying

That was kinda what I meant re the sensitive info. I understand that LE is not going to give out any info that could hurt the investigation in any way, but holding back specific info but releasing other specific info...I dunno, seems slightly different than what I would expect if it was say, a random perp or two. But that could be because the two big cases that I have been following involve people close to the victim.

There certainly are random crimes with strange circumstances.


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That was kinda what I meant re the sensitive info. I understand that LE is not going to give out any info that could hurt the investigation in any way, but holding back specific info but releasing other specific info...I dunno, seems slightly different than what I would expect if it was say, a random perp or two. But that could be because the two big cases that I have been following involve people close to the victim.

There certainly are random crimes with strange circumstances.


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The husband has been ruled out. What sort of relationship are you thinking existed between the Cheryl and the perp?
 
I also felt she was attacked and knows the person. The random location of the culvert would line up better here than a suicide.

But, I also thought when LE said they were exploring other possibilities, could she have been hit by a car? Doesn't really go with the blood and cuts but who knows.

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I don't know if the culvert is that random. It would be known to the inhabitants of that area,I would think.

Maybe she offered a ride to someone she knew after she left her house, before she arrived in the area of the transit station or where her car was parked.

Maybe she offered a ride to someone she knew after she was at the transit station area, or where her car was parked.

Maybe this person lives in the neighborhood. She would be going home anyway to get her badge, why not give this person a ride, if they lived on the way to her house?

The culvert isn't really that far from her house. From Cheryl's house go on down 48th Ave West, then turn on NE 205th St. to Cedar Way. Kinda a hop, skip, and a jump for lack of better phrasing. (I do understand that her badge was still at her house, found at her house)

Maybe the person offered to drive her car while she checked her purse more thoroughly for the badge, even though she texted that her badge was at home. That would then put her in the passenger seat. Or like someone mentioned upthread, maybe someone else borrowed her phone, and the phone was powered off or down by that person.

If she gave a ride to someone she knew, then they might be aware of that text to that carpooling co-worker. They might be aware of her circumstances about the badge at home. Hence, they would bring her vehicle back in that area where the car was found.

It seems personal. Like Cheryl was the target, for whatever reason, other than to steal her credit cards, of which they haven't been used, and the phone hasn't been used, either.

IMOO.
 
I don't know if the culvert is that random. It would be known to the inhabitants of that area,I would think.

Maybe she offered a ride to someone she knew after she left her house, before she arrived in the area of the transit station or where her car was parked.

Maybe she offered a ride to someone she knew after she was at the transit station area, or where her car was parked.

Maybe this person lives in the neighborhood. She would be going home anyway to get her badge, why not give this person a ride, if they lived on the way to her house?

The culvert isn't really that far from her house. From Cheryl's house go on down 48th Ave West, then turn on NE 205th St. to Cedar Way. Kinda a hop, skip, and a jump for lack of better phrasing. (I do understand that her badge was still at her house, found at her house)

Maybe the person offered to drive her car while she checked her purse more thoroughly for the badge, even though she texted that her badge was at home. That would then put her in the passenger seat. Or like someone mentioned upthread, maybe someone else borrowed her phone, and the phone was powered off or down by that person.

If she gave a ride to someone she knew, then they might be aware of that text to that carpooling co-worker. They might be aware of her circumstances about the badge at home. Hence, they would bring her vehicle back in that area where the car was found.

It seems personal. Like Cheryl was the target, for whatever reason, other than to steal her credit cards, of which they haven't been used, and the phone hasn't been used, either.

IMOO.
I guess 'random' is the wrong word. The culvert is at least a mile in the opposite direction if I read that map correctly. I was also thinking of someone who knows the area well and perhaps works in something related to that culvert.

The timings from camera's, text, departure and arrival seem spot on. Even turning off the cell right after the text. It makes me think it was all setup.

I wanted to add if it was someone that works around that area they might get to know the regular commuters.

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Just my opinion but if it was stranger danger there would be no need for all this hush hush, me thinks I smell a rat.. I could very well be wrong and in a way hope I am, but I dunno, just saying

It may have been a stranger who is being held on some other violation or charge not related to this crime. Say probation or something similar. No danger to the community may mean it was someone close or she knew or the perp is unable to harm anyone because they are in custody.
 
It may have been a stranger who is being held on some other violation or charge not related to this crime. Say probation or something similar. No range to the community may mean it was someone close or she knew or the perp is unable to harm anyone because they are in custody.
Wouldn't they have to get solid forensics to arrest someone anyway?

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I guess 'random' is the wrong word. The culvert is at least a mile in the opposite direction if I read that map correctly. I was also thinking of someone who knows the area well and perhaps works in something related to that culvert.

The timings from camera's, text, departure and arrival seem spot on. Even turning off the cell right after the text. It makes me think it was all setup.

I wanted to add if it was someone that works around that area they might get to know the regular commuters.

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I don't think a mile or so is very far. I hike a lot.

Yes, the timing of her leaving her house and the video of her heading west, and the text seem spot on. That doesn't mean that she couldn't have picked up someone along the way in her car, in my opinion.
 
I don't think a mile or so is very far. I hike a lot.

Yes, the timing of her leaving her house and the video of her heading west, and the text seem spot on. That doesn't mean that she couldn't have picked up someone along the way in her car, in my opinion.
I agree with all possibilities. I'm leaning more toward known to her though, based on all the info so far.



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I agree with all possibilities. I'm leaning more toward known to her though, based on all the info so far.



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Right, known to her.
Someone she knew.
I am thinking on the lines of an acquaintance or friend, perhaps. I don't think a stranger at this point, but these are just ideas and thoughts… Hopefully more details will be released soon.
IMOO.
 
The husband has been ruled out. What sort of relationship are you thinking existed between the Cheryl and the perp?

Yes, spouse is ruled out. I think random is the most probable scenario. But we just don't have enough that I would bet alllll of my life savings on it yet.

I have no clue what kind of relationship CD might have had (if ANY) with the perp. Possibly a fellow commuter who fixated on her, someone who wanted to be with her husband, anyone from her personal life or work who thought she stood on the way of them getting something--money, a job, who knows. An acquaintance who has a mental illness?


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Someone could have driven her car out of the house that day after her husband left for work. The same someone could have written the texts and parked the car where it was found. All this while Cheryl was lying dead (or incapacitated) in the house or even already in the culvert. The same someone that could have smeared a bit of blood in her car to appear she faced a fatal encounter with a stranger outside. And, either she was already in the culvert or she was put there later during night hours.

We have to twist and turn, twist and turn and twist and turn to try to make sense of what happened because it doesn't have any sense as it couldn't have happened as we have been told! I never saw written anywhere that Cheryl was SEEN that fateful morning! And I never saw written anywhere when was the last time Cheryl was SEEN (or heard live) by any family member! It was weekend, the family had a press conference but none of them said - last Friday or Saturday or even Sunday I talked to or I saw my daughter/sister/aunt!

The police is very cagey because they have to be. It was very well planned so the LE has to be very careful not to make it jeopardise. They have to desconstruct what the perp (I think they are two) so carefully constructed.

And don't be disappointed or frustrated with me because I am leaning towards the worst possibility. Unfortunately we all have seen persons who are previously cleared and later in the investigation may become POIs or even suspects. We are all here to give our thoughts, opinions, feelings and my opinion is just this.

Of course I may be wrong and I DO hope so because my opinion is the most painful, but I wouldn't be honest if I couldn't voice it even knowing this forum is victims and their families friendly.

Nothing, but really nothing makes sense in this crime to have been done by someone completely random. Not that Cheryl or any of us couldn't be attacked by someone in the street randomly. We have it everyday, everywhere. The problem is that these kind of attacks left the victim just there where they were attacked. Injured or even dead. The time frame was so short... no random attacker would be bothered to left things as we heard. If it was a carjack they would put Cheryl out and leave with the car or they would take the car and Cheryl but both she and the car wouldn't be where they were (Cheryl in the culvert and the car also near). If it was to steal her purse they would have done it and she would be left on the ground.

Cheryl was not running on the side of a road, before dawn, in a remote Sidney in Montana like it happened with Sherry Arnold. Cherry was in a Monday morning at the time that many persons are in their ways to their jobs!
 
The real estate agent that was murdered. That one never made sense to me either. Sending a text to her husband, and then killing her! Sorry can't remember name.
 
The real estate agent that was murdered. That one never made sense to me either. Sending a text to her husband, and then killing her! Sorry can't remember name.

Beverly Carter? She was alone meeting someone to show a property! Nothing to do with Cheryl's reality...
 
Someone could have driven her car out of the house that day after her husband left for work. The same someone could have written the texts and parked the car where it was found. All this while Cheryl was lying dead (or incapacitated) in the house or even already in the culvert. The same someone that could have smeared a bit of blood in her car to appear she faced a fatal encounter with a stranger outside. And, either she was already in the culvert or she was put there later during night hours.

We have to twist and turn, twist and turn and twist and turn to try to make sense of what happened because it doesn't have any sense as it couldn't have happened as we have been told! I never saw written anywhere that Cheryl was SEEN that fateful morning! And I never saw written anywhere when was the last time Cheryl was SEEN (or heard live) by any family member! It was weekend, the family had a press conference but none of them said - last Friday or Saturday or even Sunday I talked to or I saw my daughter/sister/aunt!

The police is very cagey because they have to be. It was very well planned so the LE has to be very careful not to make it jeopardise. They have to desconstruct what the perp (I think they are two) so carefully constructed.

And don't be disappointed or frustrated with me because I am leaning towards the worst possibility. Unfortunately we all have seen persons who are previously cleared and later in the investigation may become POIs or even suspects. We are all here to give our thoughts, opinions, feelings and my opinion is just this.

Of course I may be wrong and I DO hope so because my opinion is the most painful, but I wouldn't be honest if I couldn't voice it even knowing this forum is victims and their families friendly.

Nothing, but really nothing makes sense in this crime to have been done by someone completely random. Not that Cheryl or any of us couldn't be attacked by someone in the street randomly. We have it everyday, everywhere. The problem is that these kind of attacks left the victim just there where they were attacked. Injured or even dead. The time frame was so short... no random attacker would be bothered to left things as we heard. If it was a carjack they would put Cheryl out and leave with the car or they would take the car and Cheryl but both she and the car wouldn't be where they were (Cheryl in the culvert and the car also near). If it was to steal her purse they would have done it and she would be left on the ground.

Cheryl was not running on the side of a road, before dawn, in a remote Sidney in Montana like it happened with Sherry Arnold. Cherry was in a Monday morning at the time that many persons are in their ways to their jobs!

I like the way you think AND i want to know how much life insurance she had too!
 
It may have been a stranger who is being held on some other violation or charge not related to this crime. Say probation or something similar. No danger to the community may mean it was someone close or she knew or the perp is unable to harm anyone because they are in custody.

Interesting thought. Has anyone checked the local inmate records for arrests after Cheryl disappeared?
 
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