Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #7

[eucalyptuz]

Re: the animal blood
-last night I cooked a lamb roast, the juices it was packed with were not clear but a dark red and there was a lot - perhaps a few tablespoons. If I had seen these juices on a surface I would have described it as blood.
-cars often have very dark-colored carpeting or floor mats. My daughter once spilled an entire can of cola on the charcoal carpeting in the floor well of my car - I did not notice until a day later when my bag got wet from being in the puddle. I could not see a wet area.
-the coincidence of her having a new cat (reared on fresh meat) and a spill of unidentified blood in the floor well is something I can accept.
-apparently the test for which animal's blood is present is a very specialist test as it requires sample antigens from each animal that they are thinking to look for (I will try to link to the info on this). I am sure not many labs are set up to do this. I am optimistic that LE will find out and tell media eventually, but I can see how it may take a while

ETA link
http://www.ncids.com/forensic/serology/serology.shtml

The Ouchterlony test is used to determine if a blood sample is human or animal through the comparison of its reactions to specific antibodies. A sample of the unknown bloodstain is placed in a well in an agar gel. Antibodies from human and animal sources of blood are placed in other wells in the gel. Antigens from the sample and the antibodies will spread out of their respective wells and will pair up to form an immune complex if the antigen and antibody are from the same animal source. The immunne complexes can be observed as a line in the gel, thus indicating the source of the blood.

 

[DatelineFan]

I think the lab determined it was, in fact, blood. They would not report it as so if it wasn't confirmed. They said the person who will test the type of blood is out of town right now.

 

[Eileen730]

I think the lab determined it was, in fact, blood. They would not report it as so if it wasn't confirmed. They said the person who will test the type of blood is out of town right now.

Out of town?

 

[DatelineFan]

Out of town?

Yes, the link was posted earlier in the thread. I'll try to find it.

 

[Master Gee]

I think the lab determined it was, in fact, blood. They would not report it as so if it wasn't confirmed. They said the person who will test the type of blood is out of town right now.

The liquid substance is called myoglobin (as stated before) and NOW everyone is an expert on that But wait!!! what does it contain? Water .....myoglobin ....and...and...wait for it.....BLOOD..

 

[DatelineFan]

The liquid substance is called myoglobin (as stated before) and NOW everyone is an expert on that But wait!!! what does it contain? Water .....myoglobin ....and...and...wait for it.....BLOOD..

But the lab knows the difference. They would state that it's myoglobin if that's what it was.

 

[Master Gee]

I think the lab determined it was, in fact, blood. They would not report it as so if it wasn't confirmed. They said the person who will test the type of blood is out of town right now.

maybe the official myoglobin tester was busy too..

 

[eucalyptuz]

I think the lab determined it was, in fact, blood. They would not report it as so if it wasn't confirmed. They said the person who will test the type of blood is out of town right now.

Nearly all tests for the presence of blood used by police are testing for the presence of hemoglobin. Hemoglobin is present in all the red blood cells of all vertebrates. While there is plenty of myoglobin in packaged meat, red blood cells and therefore hemoglobin would still be present even after processing. A positive test for hemoglobin = a positive test for blood.

 

[Master Gee]

But the lab knows the difference. They would state that it's myoglobin if that's what it was.

Up to this thread, you , me and everyone else would have called it blood. Which it DOES contain. So calling it blood makes sense AND is accurate.

 

[Eileen730]

the red juice in raw red meat is not blood. Nearly all blood is removed from meat during slaughter, which is also why you don’t see blood in raw “white meat”; only an extremely small amount of blood remains within the muscle tissue when you get it from the store.
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/04/the-red-juice-in-raw-red-meat-is-not-blood/

 

[DatelineFan]

Up to this thread, you , me and everyone else would have called it blood. Which it DOES contain. So calling it blood makes sense AND is accurate.

In my opinion, they would have made the distinction. This is coming from a crime lab. If others disagree, that's totally fine.

 

[Master Gee]

the red juice in raw red meat is not blood. Nearly all blood is removed from meat during slaughter, which is also why you don’t see blood in raw “white meat”; only an extremely small amount of blood remains within the muscle tissue when you get it from the store.
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/04/the-red-juice-in-raw-red-meat-is-not-blood/

Nearly, means there's blood!

 

[Eileen730]

So anyway!
Is it possible LE has a few reasons they found why she would do this?

 

[pinklilies]

Her and Mike didn't wear wedding rings.

How do you know, just from photos?

 

[Eileen730]

I just don't believe she was murdered!
Sad as it is.

 

[DatelineFan]

How do you know, just from photos?

I don't know from photos, Stryker told us.

 

[eucalyptuz]

Nearly every source describing the juices in packaged meat as "water and myoglobin" come from interested parties, such as the FDA, trying to reassure consumers they have no need to be squeamish about that liquid as it is not blood. You know, so they can continue to eat said red meat from animals. No amount of bleeding/washing/soaking will remove all red blood cells. One drop of blood contains 5 million red blood cells.

 

[pinklilies]

I don't know from photos, Stryker told us.

Thanks, I never saw that post.
Was it removed before he became verified?

 

[Native Pride]

still sitting on the fence over here but-than my mind goes back to suicide the reason i go that way is because why hasn't the family put up a reward or a public plea if they felt it wasn't suicide its been way over a month i know crime stoppers has a reward i now in the beginning they had a go fund me and if this-was my mom or a family member-and i felt there was-foul play i be screaming from roof tops i be out there searching for-there phone wallet i be on every-news cast i have a reward i be going crazy ppl would want to duck tape my mouth i would not rest and The family knows more than us so if they really believed foul play why would they have her celebration of life so fast ??? is her body still with the ME so-they can do further testing or did the family have her-cremated i would not let anything happen tomy family body till i new positively what happened or-can you not leave a body in a morgue or in the ME place for a entire investigation ??? also how did we learn she was found in the culvert this MSM days grassy area .....Around 12:30 p.m. Sunday, a group of volunteers found the body in a large, grassy area that’s maintained by the city near 244th Street Southwest and Cedar Way, about a mile and a half southeast of where DeBoer’s vehicle was located, Police Cmdr. Kevin Pickard said during a 3:30 p.m. media briefing......http://ajitv.blogspot.com/2016/02/fred-hutch-body-found-in-mountlake.html........and why did David Rose MSM..Evening Q13 Fox News Anchor/Executive Producer and Host of Washington's Most Wanted Have a tip? Email me at David@Q13FOX.com...MAKE This comment .....David Rose They are processing some kind of zip tie as well.
Like · Reply · 8 · March 22 at 11:07am........https://www.facebook.com/groups/33173024436/permalink/10153984857079437/ .......back to reading ...if this was homocide im sticking with it was someone she knows ... and selfishly i truly like to know what time and date the ME determined the time of Mrs DeBoers passing its always bothered me we dont know what she did that weekend or what she did for Superbowl weekend....... only thing i think i saw mention was she spoke with her family sister mom and son sometime but i cant find where that was quoted or by who .......sorry for rambling just frustrated/confused i cant shake this case and cant get off the fence ...... and why dont they have a POI yet??? wonder ig all the ppl that been poly or alibi could out wit such a test honestly no idea RIP CD my thought and prayers to family hope you get answer and peace

 

[dizzychick]

maybe the official myoglobin tester was busy too..

ewww all this gooey fridge blood talk, BTW, a friend of mine worked for the grocer HEB, he said that walmart pumped carbon monixide in the burger meat to make it red and preserve it and that the lamb from New Zeland took 6 weeks to get to the shelf. He claimed HEB didnt do that.