Wesley Hadsell Arrested 21-22 March 2015

[katydid23]

RBBM. << Totally agree.

We do not know if a crime as to Manner of Death. It is or was last time I heard reported as Undetermined. What if AJ OD? IF she took the drugs herself, and OD, yes taking them was a crime, and she paid the ultimate as I said prior. And also as I said prior we dont know how she got to be where she was found. There could be many crimes there or possibilities or individuals responsible. WE DONT KNOW how she got to Franklin. If she may have walked up to that home and fell down and died... if she was brought there and left by someone after she was found deceased... we dont know how the drugs entered her body. OR when she actually passed away. So many unknowns. (by the public). Plenty of theories and guesses. But if we had the answers as in facts, then we would be at a different phase in this case. JMHO

Why would Wes's work vehicle have that address in his GPS? I think that fact right there lessens the possibility that AJ walked up to that house herself.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
Isn't the house in Franklin private property? Or does it belong to the county now?

Arkansasmimi I believe it is private property. So anyone going on it would be trespassing, even the media. It was reported that the owners lived out of state but that doesn't give people the rights to come onto the property. Like the stolen vehicle left there. That's 2 crimes, at least.

Whatever the reason, I wouldn't be going there onto the property, especially until the case wrapped up. It could be said that perp went back looking for something (like on Criminal Minds). It would be different if they obtain permission from the owners prior, which could be possible with the media. JMHO

This is a victim friendly forum. It is not right to be accusing anyone here of being a 'perp.' Especially when Wes is so obviously the guilty party.

I was not accusing anyone. I was saying why I would not do something. As in relations to stuff that have seen on the TV show Criminal Minds.

And respectfully I see possibilities that WH has many reasons to be guilty of many things but to say he is obviously the guilty party, is your opinion. I feel he guilty but unsure exactly of what.

 

[arkansasmimi]

There are just too many possibilities? How many other people had the dumpsite show up on their GPS for that day?

RBBM, What Day?

 

[arkansasmimi]

Why would Wes's work vehicle have that address in his GPS? I think that fact right there lessens the possibility that AJ walked up to that house herself.

I have no idea why only according to the reporting that it went down that road, turned around came back down, turned into that drive. Now I personally dont know when, or how long or anything else. Was AJ in the veh when this happened I have no idea.

Sure we can make up opinions but that whole article is not factual. So have to have more info. If it was that simple do you not think we would know more? I would think so.

Maybe the whole hold up is the Manner of Death being Undetermined... I dont know about what or how can charge with that Manner of Death. Maybe someone can weigh in that does. I gonna read see if can find something that makes reference to that.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Also the media report says that AJ and WH phones were together prior to her being reported missing. We dont know when that was (how much prior)

He has alot againt him from what we are told by media and the documents. But so far not enough that LEO have stated he is a Prime Suspect. or even as suspect. They had probable cause per the affidavit to search his hotel room, but evidently they didnt find anything to charge him (yet) so just like the COD shocked us ALL. WHAT IF in the investigation they come up with more individuals.

The Heroin charge, that maybe what they are working on connecting this? I see that as a big possibility if they can get the proof needed. That too may involve others. JMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

Also the media report says that AJ and WH phones were together prior to her being reported missing. We dont know when that was (how much prior)

She went missing sometime after Monday morning when her mom & sisters saw her before leaving for school/work. Monday afternoon the text came into her sister "out with friends". Then sometime after that, more texts to JH and WH's phones about "not ready to come home", etc. She was reported missing the next night.

I think it's pretty safe to assume AJ's phone wasn't with Wes' phone on the Sunday night prior to her going missing on Monday, since we all know she was at JH's house on SM.

That narrows the window down, of when her phone could have been with WH's phone "prior to her being reported missing" At some point between Monday morning and Tuesday evening.

For once, Wes wasn't lying when he said he thought someone else was sending those texts. He was right, because it was him, using AJ's phone to do it.

 

[allyinwonderland]

Hopefully they can get finger prints off the door handle, steering wheel, or rear view mirror. I doubt it has anything to do with aj's case either, but its really weird that of all places someone dumped a stolen car at a crime scene? I saw damage on the front of the car, I wonder if that could have been a hit and run or something and that's why it was dumped? Just brainstorming. Probably shouldn't focus too much on the car unless we hear anything, lot's of vehicles in this case i can barely keep up.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I believe it is private property. So anyone going on it would be trespassing, even the media. It was reported that the owners lived out of state but that doesn't give people the rights to come onto the property. Like the stolen vehicle left there. That's 2 crimes, at least.

Whatever the reason, I wouldn't be going there onto the property, especially until the case wrapped up. It could be said that perp went back looking for something (like on Criminal Minds). It would be different if they obtain permission from the owners prior, which could be possible with the media. JMHO

Well there's certainly that. But the reason for my question really had more to do with the grass being recently cut, I guess. This home has gone years without any lawn maintenance. Even after AJ's body was discovered there, the grass wasn't cut. Now, a stolen vehicle is found on the property, and suddenly someone decides the grass needs to me cut. So I'm wondering...did LE or the county call the owner and insist something be done about the grass, or is it now owned by the county, who finally decided it was a dangerous nuisance and sent someone out to cut the grass themselves?

ETA: There actually IS a reason I'm inquiring about this. It's not a random fixation.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I agree it's odd about the stolen car being there, but then again, that house has been on all the local news stations so anyone local (including car thieves) would know exactly where it is.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I agree it's odd about the stolen car being there, but then again, that house has been on all the local news stations so anyone local (including car thieves) would know exactly where it is.

Agreed. But according to yesterdays news article, LE took the vehicle and is going to process it for DNA. That's one hell of an undertaking for a simple stolen vehicle. Is it possible LE is simply being overly cautious? Yes. Is it possible they are processing it for DNA on a blind fishing expedition? Maybe. But for whatever reason, they have decided to process this vehicle for DNA, and THAT makes this vehicle interesting to me.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I have no idea why only according to the reporting that it went down that road, turned around came back down, turned into that drive. Now I personally dont know when, or how long or anything else. Was AJ in the veh when this happened I have no idea.

Sure we can make up opinions but that whole article is not factual. So have to have more info. If it was that simple do you not think we would know more? I would think so.

Maybe the whole hold up is the Manner of Death being Undetermined... I dont know about what or how can charge with that Manner of Death. Maybe someone can weigh in that does. I gonna read see if can find something that makes reference to that.

BBM

But here's the point...sometime around the time AJ was reported missing, WH's work vehicle was tracked pulling into the driveway of the house where, almost a month later, AJ's body was discovered. Wes claimed in interviews that he was never at that house, didn't know the house, etc. etc. Can we at least agree that he lied about that, given the information we now have? Because, to me, it is now an established fact that he lied about never having been at that house.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Well there's certainly that. But the reason for my question really had more to do with the grass being recently cut, I guess. This home has gone years without any lawn maintenance. Even after AJ's body was discovered there, the grass wasn't cut. Now, a stolen vehicle is found on the property, and suddenly someone decides the grass needs to me cut. So I'm wondering...did LE or the county call the owner and insist something be done about the grass, or is it now owned by the county, who finally decided it was a dangerous nuisance and sent someone out to cut the grass themselves?

ETA: There actually IS a reason I'm inquiring about this. It's not a random fixation.

This house is essentially in the middle of nowhere. It's not as if it's an eyesore to the neighbors and a detriment to the neighborhood and someone complained to the homeowners association. And it's not as if the people living there decided "hey, time to mow the lawn!" since, no one lives there. It's just weird that the lawn of an abandoned house would suddenly be cut, when it hasn't been in years(?)

 

[Mountain_Kat]

One more thing from the article that I wanted to point out this morning: it seems very clear to me that LE actually did find AJ's cell phone when they searched the pond. Remember that they only searched 1/4 of the pond before they left the scene. LE doesn't undertake that kind of search and simply quit after only have searched a small area, so it's logical to assume they did find the phone there, and stopped the search because they located what they were looking for. And they must have been able to dry it out and recover data from it, otherwise, they wouldn't have been able to track the GPS in the phone. We also know that a witness who lives near that pond spotted a Quality Plumbing van drive past the pond, go a short way up the road and then turn around. If we assume that WH's phone and AJ's phone were both in WH's work vehicle at the exact same time, and that they BOTH travelled in this work van to the house where AJ's body was later discovered, and that her phone ended up being recovered from the very pond where a witness saw a white Quality Plumbing Van...the math seems incredibly simple to me.

JMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

Just watched the video report again here http://wtkr.com/2015/10/28/the-mystery-behind-the-discovery-of-aj-hadsells-body/

Again, it states "at around the time AJ was last seen, the van motored south on Smiths Ferry Road in South Hampton county. It passed an abandoned house on the right and continued to North Carolina and then, the van turned around and headed back into Virginia. Finally, according to our sources, the GPS track shows the van pulled right into that dirt driveway. Neighbors say the house has been abandoned for years."

So, that's the time/date stamp as far as I'm concerned. The time/date of when AJ was last seen was Monday, March 2nd around 7am. "Around the same time" Wes' work van pulled into the driveway of where she'd be found deceased, over a month later. At the very house Wes lied about and said he didn't even know where it was.

Here's the thing though... GPS tracking shows his van on that road "around the same time AJ was last seen". That house and on that road is 60.4 miles from Millard Street, where AJ was last seen. A 1 hour and 12 minute drive, according to google maps.

So either, she wasn't in the van at the time (she couldn't have been both at home and in that van at the same time, since the locations are an hour apart) or, the "around the same time" was used because it was maybe within say a few hour time frame (which would have certainly been plenty of time for WH to show up at the house after JH left, get into it with AJ, subdue her, put her in the van and head out to the area).

The report says their phones had matching GPS data but it doesn't say where they were. Does the data from both phones match the data from the van? If yes, then it's quite likely she was indeed in that van and that Monday morning is when he left her there at that house. If no, then he must have left both phones somewhere else, when he was on that road that morning.

Just thinking out loud. Feel free (anyone) to break this down, turn it inside out, or whatever.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

This house is essentially in the middle of nowhere. It's not as if it's an eyesore to the neighbors and a detriment to the neighborhood and someone complained to the homeowners association. And it's not as if the people living there decided "hey, time to mow the lawn!" since, no one lives there. It's just weird that the lawn of an abandoned house would suddenly be cut, when it hasn't been in years(?)

BBM

Yeah, that's my point. The body of a young girl is discovered out there...no one bothers to cut the grass. A stolen vehicle is discovered out there, and all of a sudden someone says, "Wow. We really have to cut this grass." What I'd like to know is WHO decided the grass needed to be cut now, and why? See my point?

 

[Ontario Mom]

One more thing from the article that I wanted to point out this morning: it seems very clear to me that LE actually did find AJ's cell phone when they searched the pond. Remember that they only searched 1/4 of the pond before they left the scene. LE doesn't undertake that kind of search and simply quit after only have searched a small area, so it's logical to assume they did find the phone there, and stopped the search because they located what they were looking for. And they must have been able to dry it out and recover data from it, otherwise, they wouldn't have been able to track the GPS in the phone. We also know that a witness who lives near that pond spotted a Quality Plumbing van drive past the pond, go a short way up the road and then turn around. Since we now know that WH's phone and AJ's phone were both in WH's work vehicle at the exact same time, and that they BOTH travelled in this work van to the house where AJ's body was later discovered, and that her phone ended up being recovered from the very pond where a witness saw a white Quality Plumbing Van...the math seems incredibly simple to me.

JMO

Wait, did I miss something? The report says the data from the phones matched, and the van's data shows him being on that road & at that house - but it didn't say the phone's data also matched the van's data, did it?

Checking the article again it says "investigators were able to see that Hadsell&#8217;s cell phone, and AJ&#8217;s cell phone were together around the time she was last seen. The sources would not be more specific."

Hmm... okay phones were together "around the time she was last seen" and van was on Smiths Ferry & at the house "around the time she was last seen".

 

[Mountain_Kat]

BBM

But here's the point...sometime around the time AJ was reported missing, WH's work vehicle was tracked pulling into the driveway of the house where, almost a month later, AJ's body was discovered. Wes claimed in interviews that he was never at that house, didn't know the house, etc. etc. Can we at least agree that he lied about that, given the information we now have? Because, to me, it is now an established fact that he lied about never having been at that house.

Editted by me because I stated an assumption as though it were a fact.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Wait, did I miss something? The report says the data from the phones matched, and the van's data shows him being on that road & at that house - but it didn't say the phone's data also matched the van's data, did it?

Checking the article again it says "investigators were able to see that Hadsell&#8217;s cell phone, and AJ&#8217;s cell phone were together around the time she was last seen. The sources would not be more specific."

Hmm... okay phones were together "around the time she was last seen" and van was on Smiths Ferry & at the house "around the time she was last seen".

I came to what I thought was a logical conclusion about the phones. The article never stated that directly, so I certainly don't think we can say that it is an established fact that the GPS track from both phones matched the GPS track from the work vehicle. I still think they did, but you're right...it's not an established fact.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Speaking of lying liars who lie, WH first story was that he never saw her that day. Dropped the red truck off, left the key in the mailbox and went on his merry way to work, like the responsible adult he is. Then his next story was "oh yeah, gas station, lunch, stare, no talking, departed my presence around 12:45" and what searchers were looking for as far as her clothing items and what she was known to be last wearing, came directly from WH.

So here's a few random thoughts...

Before Wes admitted he did see her that day (but lied about the lunch meeting), did JH ever tell anyone what AJ was wearing when SHE last saw her? I don't recall ever hearing if she did. I also don't recall seeing that on the MPR, and it certainly should have been there. I mean, your kid is missing - what was she wearing the last time you saw her - should be a standard question on the report, right?

Second, if AJ was last seen (by Wes) wearing the very same jacket that ended up in CF's couch cushion 4 days later, the ONLY way it could have got there, was through WH. I know I'm stating the obvious but you have to wonder if he was planning all along on pinning this nightmare on CF, or he just jumped at the first opportunity once CF's name was brought up.

Too bad one of the guards can't "accidentally" slip and as they try to break their fall, "accidentally" inject WH with some truth serum and then have an investigator discuss things with WH to you know, make sure he's okay, and hasn't forgotten to tell LE anything.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Of note may be that "the time she was last seen" doesn't seem to be defined. What does LE consider "the last time she was seen" to be? 7:00am by the sisters? 12:30pm by Wes? Driving the truck in the early afternoon as per neighbour? Or something else we aren't privvy to?
"Around the time" is subjective as someone pointed out above: within minutes? Hours?