What info did Lee A take to the defense team?

[Whisperer]

I need to know something and maybe it has been said here before, but whose idea was it to name Caylee after Casey and Lee??? Was it ICA or CA's? Did anyone ask LA his opinion before?

CA said it and she used the proverbial "We" came up with the name. She is a master at changing pronouns. She switches between "I" and "we" when convenient.

 

[gngr~snap]

Happy Birthday gngr snap!!!

:seeya: Thank you kindly!

 

[natsound]

I just watched Lee's testimony (couldn't yesterday). I gotta say, I really feel for him. I think CA testimony hurt him the most too. They finally had the good will of most, and she destroyed that again with her lies. Making the whole family look so bad again.

Also, when they are standing in the doorway for lunch recess, Cindy is so far from him and she is working her lower jaw like she is mad. That poor boy never got anything from that woman growing up. And still doesn't. If he were my son, I would be holding him in my arms and comforting him. I think yesterday was therapeutic for him. There is something really wrong, something bad that happened when they were growing up. Some communication between the siblings. I CANNOT stand ICA, but those were agonizing tears from both of them yesterday. I feel no sympathy or empathy for Cindy anymore. NO way. She was a terrible mother and terrible grandmother. Used poor Caylee for control.

And no way did GA abuse them. After reading Shirley's emails; Cindy only took George back because of money. He would get half of everything and she couldn't have that. If he abused in anyway, that would have been her ticket to get everything. The house, the money, the kids. She would have jumped at the chance. She doesn't care what people think, she WOULD have crucified him to have control of it all. She wants what she wants. Casey may have killed Caylee, but Cindy is more to blame than anyone. She psychologically tortured them all. IMO

I agree. I was watching LA and GA facing each other in the doorway after LA's testimony (neither saying much). CA stood away. There's obvious tension within this family. LA's crying was genuine. He was crying during sidebar. He's no angel, but I felt JA was harsh on him, suggesting his crying was a put-on, and I hope JA's attitude didn't turn off the jury.

I will always feel sympathy for GA, CA, and LA. The family seemed to live their lives blindfolded before all of this happened... never considering the consequences of their actions.

 

[magiemay]

I see this Lee breakdown as maybe being something not having anything to do with the sex abuse at all. Just looking and thinking in logic. We know that La was in meeting with JB to prepare for this testimony. Having seen the sleazy way JB operates I think that at that meeting JB most likely nailed it home that ICA was looking at death and they had nothing as of yet to save her life. I think he might have placed a large burden on him to try and get him to acknowledge some sort of sex abuse with either himself or GA. Having 3 younger siblings I can see that really making you break down at a time like that. I don't believe for one nano of a second it had anything to do with his being left out of Caylee's birth. Now he might be feeling bad that he was mad at the time of the birth and now the baby is gone. I can see as a sibling and having a brother that being the case. My brother would be so mad that my parents were lavishing all this love and money on a grandchild from one of his siblings , lets just say we would all know it. Heck he is jealous of my baby sister and my Mom. I tell them it is the old You got more ice cream than I did story. Sure lots of people with siblings see this. Anyway if one of my siblings were on trial for their life and an attorney put this kind of pressure on you whether you were a jealous sibling or not you might not be able to hold it together. This has got to be a very large burden. Hey I am just glad he did not go to the sex abuse thing as I am sure JB tried to get him to do. He just still seemed up until this trip to the witness stand to appear that he did not really grasp that she was on trial for her life.jmo

 

[Jorjamay]

I totally agree. The only real emotion I have seen during this trial was yesterday by LA AND ICA. Those 2 siblings probably bonded together to survive their tyranical Mother. They probably lied and conspired together to stay in CA good graces. CA is a narcicist. GA was just along for the ride. He did what he was told to do, CA handles the kids, her way.

Once ICA was pregnant it all changed. It was CA's do over. She then began taking charge of ICA and the baby, and if ICA wanted to enjoy the free ride, she went along. Turns out that family has 2 female narcicistic personalities. LA and GA just did what they were told, we've heard both of them say that, they did what they were told by CA.

When you have 2 complete narcicists in a family, bad things are going to happen, it's the ultimate power struggle and unfortunately Caylee is the one who paid the price. Now, CA is in control, ICA is in jail and CA will win by doing anything to get her out. They have a love hate relationship that has and will poison everything around them. CA will fight to get her off and if she did (she won't) they would be at each other's throats within a month and one of them would end up dead.

I am very curious to see how it goes when GA is back on the stand. On one hand I can see him perjuring himself and saying, he did help in the cover up and stuff to create reasonable doubt, but I can see him being the wildcard, just finally saying NO, none of this happened, I think ICA did it. It's probably wishful thinking on my part, but I hoped one of the A's would finally accept that ICA is a sociopath and let her take her punishment.

I think the root of this family's problems is CA, she created ICA, but never expected to be challenged for her position. ICA is even more diabolical than CA but they are 2 birds ..... IMO

|I kind of agree I have a feeling that GA might just be the one who tells the truth.

 

[Whisperer]

In one of CA's depo's in the past she indicated that the Anthony's house is where all the neighborhood kids hung out. They both had plenty of friends growing up.

I don't believe their house was where all the kids congregated. Cindy always worked. I think this is another one of her fantasies of a perfect family.

 

[Controversialist]

There is also an interview on tape with Lee talking to a reporter. He states he knows who the father is. Lee said he lives out-of-state and will never reveal his name.

Lee was dating MH's ex-wife. She got pregnant and had an abortion. Lee went Ballistic. There was a letter he wrote her on line at one time about it it.

Brandon S was at a party in May 2008 (?). He was visiting Orlando. It has been told by others that ICA went bonkers on him. Her friends say she was mad because she was pregnant and had a miscarrige.

This brother and sister sure take pregnancy REAL serious. Since ICA was furious at BS about her pregnancy, why was she not that way regarding Caylee's father. Did she really have a miscarriage or was there another reason she was very angry and out-of-control?

Whisperer, I'm curious about the sequence you helpfully set out above, and its implications. But I'm unclear on BS's connection to ICA's pregnancy and miscarriage, and why this would cause ICA to rail against BS.

But I think I see your main point: ICA's flare-up toward BS was disingenuous and/or misrepresented. It was not due to her pregnancy matters. And whatever really caused her vitriol against BS would also help explain why she was not also hopping mad about her Caylee pregnancy. :waitasec::waitasec:

 

[natsound]

Here's how I see it: LA taunted and teased KC throughout the years, and somehow saw her coming out of the bathroom that day when he noticed her bump... which makes me wonder if he didn't make a habit of antagonizing her and overstepping his bounds. Whatever the case, I don't think LA is a rapist.

When CA finally couldn't deny any longer that KC was pregnant.. they decided to keep LA out of it because they thought he might tease, spread rumors, ask too many questions, etc.

I think he might have been slightly hurt when he was left out. The tears on the stand Friday were genuine. I think the sheer weight of the situation right now drove him to tears. It is interesting to consider whether Baez encouraged him to shed a tear, but I'm not convinced of it. Baez does have the family in the palm of his hand right now. Almost like a crazy man with a gun to KC's head.... do what I tell you and she won't get hurt!

 

[Deleted member 46332]

I wonder if whatever Lee took to JB involved the "promise" he made to ICA. Some of us have always suspected the "CMA" that LA referred to at Caylee's memorial was in fact ICA.

His statements at court indicated that at the time of the memorial he still did not believe Caylee to be deceased, so it gave the theory a little more credence. In that context I listened to his speech again and it still seems soooo very fishy to me. In light of everything that is known about ICA then and now, it is still impossible for me to comprehend how he can make the comments he makes to ICA. (my opinion only)

below is a link to the speech, he address "CMA" at around 3:05 mark.

[ame="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8bucf_lee-anthony-s-speech-at-caylee-s-me_news"]Dailymotion - Lee Anthony's speech at Caylee's Memorial - a News & Politics video[/ame]

 

[Whisperer]

:seeya: Hi gingr~snap

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[Marple]

Didn't he say he was still living at home when Casey was pregnant? I also recall he said she told him but no one else included him, etc. which leads me to believe there was a lot more going on in the house than what has been revealed so far. I do agree, however, he probably feels somewhat responsible for what happened after he left home and not being around for both Casey and Caylee very much.

MOO

I too believe there was a lot going on in that house. As to the bolded part, yes, he was at home when she was pregnant but my feeling is that he wasn't present as much as he used to be, getting out in the world, working, having his own friends, living his own life. Sometimes adult children are more like "boarders" than family members, IMO!

 

[justalittlebean]

I don't believe their house was where all the kids congregated. Cindy always worked. I think this is another one of her fantasies of a perfect family.

I heard Cindy say she never met many of Casey's friends. I really feel sorry for George. He seems to be the only one who can tell the truth. If you notice when Cindy was ask a question, she would have the question repeated. This was giving her time to make up a lie. I heard this on Judge Judy. Judge Judy says that gives time to make up answer.

 

[sandcastles4me]

:maddening:I think their is a huge secret in that household and I want to know what it is! I do not think GA ever sexually abused ICA. I think it may be possible that their was something that happened between ICA and LA???? I do not believe he thought Caylee was his. It seems very strange to me at 23 a guy would give a care about going to a baby shower with a bunch of women and he could not remember if Mallory was invited or if she went. There has to be more to this than just feeling left out. My gosh he is almost 30 and he still has that much emotion about it. When asked about his emotion he said he did not like being there, did not like his sister being there and did not like his parents there. HE DID NOT SAY IT WAS OVER CAYLEE NOT BEING THERE. The emotion from Casey maybe for the first time was also very real. I never believed the dt about the sexually abuse or that it caused ICA to lie, but this family does have a secret or secrets. There is a huge one between LA and ICA and he made mention of it at the memorial. Is it about Caylee's real dad or something much bigger. If there is something the dt need to get out there all they have to do is to put their client on the stand. I believe that when the dt came up with this and told CA it could get ICA off for murder I think that JB and his client thought the A's would fall on the sword for her as they always had, but GA put his foot down and said he drew the line and would not. Now what are they going to do....All I know is I want justice for Caylee!!! Sorry I just needed to get that off my chest:crazy:

 

[pip]

What if...
Lee knew that the DT was going make it look like he was worried at that time that he may be the father so he stayed away from her, the pregnancy, the preparation for the baby and the delivery.

So what does Lee take to the defense? If Lee knows that they have all known who the real father was from day 1, and Mom and Dad discuss not revealing that to anyone, he may have gone to the DT to say, You can't try to pin incest on me, i'll reveal the truth about who real father is and that everyone in my family already knew from day 1.

Could the legal matter that arose has anything to do with the real father?

 

[Murphismo]

You WSleuthers never cease to amaze me with your "right on-it-ness". I'll tell you what I think and I've been thinking constantly. I agree LE went to Baez to put their heads to gether and come up with something to bail ICA out. But here is the kicker..... I think CM got wind of it and said "this is ENOUGH", trying to get someone to lie? I think this may have been the last straw for CM and the "legal issue" in court Saturday is directly related to LE's little visit to <mod snip>......JMO

 

[Whisperer]

So both LA and CA believed Caylee was alive at the memorial?? A memorial is done for the dead! What is wrong with these people? Whose bones did they cremate? They were wearing Caylee's ashes, FGS! I get the impression, they went along with the "show" because people were demanding it so they gave it to them. They didn't have to pay for it. They must have felt like stars up there on the podium. This family is looney-tunes.

So up until about three months ago, they believed Caylee was alive..really? Know what I think? I think three months ago, all of them finally accepted, all together, that casey really killed Caylee.

Lee found it necessary to confide in Jose. GA doesn't seem upset about Jose telling the world that he had sex with his own daughter. These three will subject themselves to anything in the name of casey. It is pitiful to watch.

 

[panthera]

I too believe there was a lot going on in that house. As to the bolded part, yes, he was at home when she was pregnant but my feeling is that he wasn't present as much as he used to be, getting out in the world, working, having his own friends, living his own life. Sometimes adult children are more like "boarders" than family members, IMO!

So true. It could be he was working, going out with friends and basically was just sleeping there. I gathered from his most recent testimony he felt "out of the loop", so to speak, with his family and was rather surprised his sister was so far along with her pregnancy when he found out.

MOO

 

[Whisperer]

What if...

Could the legal matter that arose has anything to do with the real father?

Both the defense and the prosecution has stayed completely away from the subject of paternity. It is like the Elephant in the Room.

I doubt we will ever hear what the legal issue was on Saturday. JP has done this before when Baez left the court. I think the DT were too upset to proceed on Saturday and wanted the day off.

 

[magiemay]

So both LA and CA believed Caylee was alive at the memorial?? A memorial is done for the dead! What is wrong with these people? Whose bones did they cremate? They were wearing Caylee's ashes, FGS! I get the impression, they went along with the "show" because people were demanding it so they gave it to them. They didn't have to pay for it. They must have felt like stars up there on the podium. This family is looney-tunes.

So up until about three months ago, they believed Caylee was alive..really? Know what I think? I think three months ago, all of them finally accepted, all together, that casey really killed Caylee.

Lee found it necessary to confide in Jose. GA doesn't seem upset about Jose telling the world that he had sex with his own daughter. These three will subject themselves to anything in the name of casey. It is pitiful to watch.

I think your thoughts are very accurate , I believe just as you that they finally decided KC did it and now that she is on trial for her life,It has finally happened!!They are all in the save KC mode. The sad part is however this washes they are going to be long looked at differently. Whether it be by friends, family , neighbors. employers, or law enforcement. I would truly hate to know I had made the choices they have. Heck what am I saying I thank all that is Holy I have never been exposed to anything this bizarre.

 

[Whisperer]

I too believe there was a lot going on in that house. As to the bolded part, yes, he was at home when she was pregnant but my feeling is that he wasn't present as much as he used to be, getting out in the world, working, having his own friends, living his own life. Sometimes adult children are more like "boarders" than family members, IMO!

Both he and his father moved out of that house within a few months of the birth. That oughta tell us something. There must have been terrible fighting going on at that time. Cindy paints a beautiful picture though, almost Walton-like..

Anyone happen to know if Cindy took off for maternity leave. Can't imagine casey doing this alone...no way. The men moved out and casey and cindy were all alone w/Caylee...hmm.


ETA: I'm wrong. Jesse was in the picture. Keep forgetting about Jesse..