Identified! WI - Delafield, WhtMale, UP7632, car stolen, lighter, Sep'77 - John Lindberg Scott

[CarlK90245]

I just noticed that on Classmates.com that I have access to posted yearbooks. I've noticed that a few from the early 70's are available for Wheaton and Gurnee (Warren Township H.S.). If I find anything noteworthy I will be sure to pass along an update accordingly. I'm going to see what is available for Waukegan, Zion, Winthrop Harbor, etc....(I'm not really well versed in northern IL high schools....so this should be quite an adventure).

They are constantly adding new yearbooks every day, so if one isn't available you can check again in a month or two and it might be there then.

BTW, all of you sleuthers with a Classmates membership: If you don't see your own H.S. yearbook editions on the site, I suggest that you arrange with classmates to put yours on their site. They pay all of the postage, and they get it back to you in a few weeks. They are only accepting HS yearbooks for 1988 and prior. I contributed two of my H.S. Yearbooks (for 1978 and 1981) a couple of months ago.

This is not only useful for finding matches, but also for finding photos of pre-1988 missing teens and early-20-somethings who have no-photo NamUs pages.

 

[masnitram]

Lots of yearbooks from the area, like I mentioned before, however the issue I am having is that a lot of people kinda look like our JD! With only two post-mortem photos available it has been very difficult to imagine him...well...smiling and happy. I did find a few guys who I was almost certain could be him, only to find them either on Facebook, in an obituary, or other post 1977 article.

If anyone looks into area high schools and finds a "L. B" or "P. C"...they are both alive and well.

 

[masnitram]

Yesterday, killing time before an event in nearby Brookfield...and due to the fact that both of my kids AND wife were napping in the car...I decided to take a ride over to HWY SS and Golf Rd near Delafield to see where our JD crashed.

I know that in the past there have been several renovations and expansions of 1-94 in and around Milwaukee/Waukesha Counties; however one thing that has always been consistent is that Golf Rd has been pretty much the frontage road for 1-94 in Waukesha County. The report says he exited 1-94 onto Golf Road in Waukesha County, that would be County 'T' today. The thing that I find interesting is the report says he lost it trying to turn onto County 'SS'...today the bend/sharp turn no longer exists and now stands as a 4-way stop. I talked to a lady I work with who is from Hartland (geographically speaking that is close to the accident scene) and asked her if she knew anything about what the road used to be link (circa '77). She stated it used to be pretty much a "Y" with a harder right (as described in the police report) with the intersection of Silvernail RD coming in at the point where the "Y" splits (or basically creating the "Y"..I hope that makes sense). Anyways, according to the police report the officer didn't see him until spotting tire marks leaving the road and into the 'wilderness' and the apparent marks indicated he tried to turn onto SS. Now mind you I am speculating here, but our JD didn't have to turn...he could have kept going straight. Even if the accident happened today, you can stay on Golf Road for quite awhile. A couple of things come to mind.

1. He noticed, even though it was foggy, he was still a little too close for comfort to 1-94 and saw the turn onto SS too late. (A thing to note is that he has 2 or 3 other roads he could have chosen before coming up on County SS).

2. He sort-of knew the area and due to the fog he didn't see County SS until it was a little to late. I say this because you can exit 1-94 directly onto County SS...both in 1977 and today...it is the second exit after County 'T'/Golf Road (HWY 164 follows the County 'T' exit). He took 'T'/Golf Road intentionally off 1-94 knowing he could gun it w/ minimal traffic, in the fog...to get to SS. Perhaps the "Y" intersection was his thought all along..."if I can make it to 'SS' I'm home free".

3. If he would have stayed onto Golf Rd passed County SS he had 3 other county highways and 1 state highway he would have eventually intersected. If he made it, and remained on SS he would have eventually crossed paths with Highway 16...which basically is a state highway that runs basically the same route as 1-94 . Before I-94, Highway 16 was THE highway for road travel (SE to NE) in Wisconsin


FYI, County SS and Golf Road is actually closer to the city of Pewaukee...must be a mailing address thing.

 

[Claudette]

It could have also been his exit

 

[masnitram]

It could have also been his exit

Way to sum my rambling Claudette :floorlaugh:

I'm going to, much later this evening, take and see if I can find any Lauri's or John's (within the right age range) who lived in the area circa '77. I don't know exactly how I will go about this....but I'll find a way.

 

[CarlK90245]

Way to sum my rambling Claudette :floorlaugh:

I'm going to, much later this evening, take and see if I can find any Lauri's or John's (within the right age range) who lived in the area circa '77. I don't know exactly how I will go about this....but I'll find a way.

The alumni listings in Classmates.com *should* include only people who were alive at least since 1995 (I know of one possible exception). John Doe wouldn't be listed, but Lauri might be listed, and you might be able to get a list of Lauri's. However, the Classmates yearbook collection, and the alumni listings, are still pretty spotty, and even if you could find the right Lauri, you can't presume that "John" and "Lauri" were classmates in high school.

 

[masnitram]

I was again exhausting myself trying to find any indications of who this JD is, where he came from etc...

I found a database of fugitives and one that may be promising, Jessie R Cooley. I can't however find out any updated information on Jessie, nor a better photo. I have inquired with officials in South Carolina to find out if he is still at-large. It would shoot down the whole "he is local" theory, but then again...nothing has added up yet.

http://www.straightshooter.net/IDNO533.htm

 

[KLCD620]

Very close again! It looked promise until open the database of him for descriptions. Jesse's height & weight are consistent with JD except hair & eye colors. Tough case to solve.

 

[CarlK90245]

I was again exhausting myself trying to find any indications of who this JD is, where he came from etc...

I found a database of fugitives and one that may be promising, Jessie R Cooley. I can't however find out any updated information on Jessie, nor a better photo. I have inquired with officials in South Carolina to find out if he is still at-large. It would shoot down the whole "he is local" theory, but then again...nothing has added up yet.

http://www.straightshooter.net/IDNO533.htm

I did a little digital enhancement of Jessie's photo.

 

[masnitram]

Very close again! It looked promise until open the database of him for descriptions. Jesse's height & weight are consistent with JD except hair & eye colors. Tough case to solve.

Hey KLCD620; I did see the eye color after further exploration on the site. Yeah...that one stings a bit. I'm not putting too much stock in hair color though, from the photos of the JD I can see his hair being considered "auburn", "brown", "dirty blonde", even with a tint of "red"...so who knows. But for what it is worth I don't think a inquiry will hurt considering nothing has really added up so far.

Carl- Thanks for the enhanced photo. It was too late for me to attempt to play around w/ the photo...much appreciated.

 

[Cubby]

I finally found the right contact in DuPage Cty to inquire on the records for inmates released from DPC jail and bookings. I shot off an email this afternoon with the identifiers and notations - including the morgue photo in the event booking photo's are still available- for this UID along with the FOIA form required by DPC. After speaking with him last week and letting him know what we were attempting to do by way of those records he seemed fairly interested in assisting us if he is able.

Considering these records go back more than 30 years it may take some time for them to be located.

I'll keep everyone posted if this avenue pans out with any potential leads for our Delafield John Doe.

 

[Cubby]

I received written reply from DPC regarding the FOIA information I requested regarding booking and recently released inmate lists or data.

Unfortunately this is what I received:

"Please note that I could not find any records pursuant to your request. I did not find this information in our possession".

I imagine any records dating back more than 30 years are name driven. (or DL number or ss number)
I had hoped perhaps some type of list similiar to a census record or old print outs on greenbar computer paper might have been copied and saved or stored. However that does not appear to be the case here. At least we tried and didn't leave that avenue unanswered. No stone left unturned....

Back to the drawing board for additional ideas. I'm still thinking about possible records I might find locally, perhaps at the local library.... and open to suggestions or idea's.

 

[nerosleuth]

Back to the drawing board for additional ideas. I'm still thinking about possible records I might find locally, perhaps at the local library.... and open to suggestions or idea's.

Two thoughts came to me tonight as I was thinking about all of this.

The first thought is a very big IF here. Could our JD have been in contact with the state police?

If he ever was in any kind of contact with the state police anywhere in the state around that time, then wouldn't they have some kind of a record?

Another thought here. Did the DuPage County Jail ever had a contract to house inmates from other counties anywhere in Illinois or to house inmates for any kind of federal LE agencies back then?

 

[Cubby]

Those are great questions and idea's nerosleuth. In 1977 the DPC jail was still pretty small. They may have processed inmates through, but I think that would have been handled or considered 'booking'. I have a neighbor who is ISP so when I run into him I'll ask and give him a copy of the paperwork including the descriptors and photo's of our UID. He may have some idea's as well...... I don't like to bug him too much so will have to wait until the weather is a little nicer and I run into him outside.

I'm also pondering the RV place business card again and routes to see if we can find any former employees of this company. Maybe put up a few requests for former employes from the summer of 1977 online and see if we get any bites..... That too may be a long shot if he was simply a customer but if he was a friend of an employee perhaps not so much of a long shot.

 

[Cubby]

I'm also pondering how to target residents of Wheaton from the summer of 1977. I don't know that an add in a paper today might help - so many who were in the area in 1977 may be long gone... Maybe I can dig around and see if I can find a listing of some kind of all the downtown wheaton business owners from 1977. If he was in the area for a bit and purchased or obtained clothing from Gaeddes maybe there are long term residents who still do volunteer work. OT but FYI I went to preschool in the late 60's and recently found a preschool teacher from the same school who taught my sister doing some local volunteer work. So I will put some feelers out along these lines as well.

 

[nerosleuth]

Maybe I can dig around and see if I can find a listing of some kind of all the downtown wheaton business owners from 1977.

Try checking the reference section or the genealogy section of your local public library and see if they have a city directory from around the mid to late 1970's. You also might see if the library has a telephone directory from that year.

The kind of city directory I'm talking about could be known as Criss-Cross or as Haines. Those directories list the address and names of business on every street in your area that you're looking for.

You also might try checking your local Chamber of Commerce or maybe your local Better Business Bureau. They may have a listing of all businesses that were in Downtown Wheaton from 1977.

 

[masnitram]

I haven't been able to locate any missing persons report on this individual nor any current information on his whereabouts.

The photo on the link looks very old and I found him listed on the internet 'by name only' as being age 63 ....no phone or current address.

Can someone do a little extra digging and find out if he is in fact still in or near Salisbury,MA?

J.T.L.'s photo and our JD's photo are close enough IMO to warrant a look. The facebook link found on the J.T.L link doesn't exist fyi.

Thoughts?

J.T.L
People Smart results

 

[CarlK90245]

Doesn't look like the same guy to me. He has much thicker eyebrows, and a concave dorsum of the nose.

 

[masnitram]

Doesn't look like the same guy to me. He has much thicker eyebrows, and a concave dorsum of the nose.

I hear you regarding the eyebrows, as far as the nose I factor in that JD went through the windshield of a car at 80+ mph there was no report of what was broken etc..

I know it's a long shot, as everything has been thus far with JD. I'd really like to know how old J.T.L. is in the photo, when it was taken in comparison to 1977, etc. IMO the photo of J.T.L. looks too young to be a high school graduation photo...but ya never know

 

[Zanko]

Is there anything about the age of the lighter? I know the watch was over 20 years old, but the lighter with the inscription, do we have a sense if this was newer in 1977 or not? I was wondering if this guy's parents might be John and Lauri.
I also would like to know more about the presence of military personnel in the area. Clean shaven, short hair, purchased all new clothing...could he have been on leave? AWOL? Recently discharged?