When people here talk about the " timeline", not the one posted by the WS Mod. Staff, but just " gunshots were heard and 911 wasn't called for 20 minutes later".
I am not sure I'm understanding the thinking process here. IF, and this is a generalized " if" not specific to this crime as we know it, but IF a perp. or perps. entered the house through force or subterfuge ( car out of gas, is this your puppy we found that is hurt? etc) how are people guessing at the time the perp. arrived at the home?
MANY home invasions last for hours. I know of one in my small home town that did. ( The man was the president of the largest bank in town. He convinced the intruder that the bank safe was on a timer, which it probably was. The intruder stayed there all night and somehow, the couple was not harmed. I also don't think the bank was robbed in the end).
We know that the two killers of Dr.William Petit's teenaged daughters and his first wife stayed in the house for many hours. This is probably true of other home invasions due to the high risk nature of the crime itself.
The perps. of a home invasion are committing a very high- risk crime. They don't know if an attack dog is going to be there, if a family friend who is armed to the teeth and is a veteran marksman is going to be sitting in the living room, or usually anything about the " armed vs. unarmed" status of the house.
The Closs house could have had a security alarm. There is no sign from the outside now that a house does or doesn't have an alarm and cutting any kind of wires is not going to stop the call from going out- it's going to speed help up.
So, as I understand it, we know there was a birthday party that afternoon per the grandfather, and it ended what I'd call early, and had been held at another relative's house. Same grandfather said James wasn't there because he was working.
Why doesn't the hypothetical timeline of the crime extend from the probable time Denise and Jayme returned home until EMR arrived on the scene and James died soon afterwards?
I only see it described from gunshot and neighbor accounts to the police log. That's the ENDING of the crime. Not the beginning or the middle. I tend to think the females were home when the siege began.
I don't think it's productive for me, personally, to speculate about the items identified as removed from the house: mattresses, chairs, doors or the windows until we have the NARRATIVE that goes along with each item officially. Without the proper context, all manner of speculation and argument is being made, and with the release of the info that a mattress was removed, it could get extremely distressing to family members if they read here.
This is JMO, and I mean no disrespect to anyone who thinks differently. This is something I've learned not to become too concerned with, as it's the easy part for LE in most cases. THEY will tell what happened when it's time. We obsessed over so many tiny details in the Ramsey case when this forum originally opened as Websleuths, and 22 years later, we still don't know why some things were overturned, wet, seemingly staged..
In the meantime, in the town of Barron, WI, a girl is missing, a perp. hasn't been found, and it was obvious today that the Closs family's relatives are missing Jayme so much. I hope we can help in some way to bring her home. I think that's WS's " mission".. .
Thanks for reading. I needed to ask questions because the timeline is confusing to me starting near the very end of a crime scene.
