AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #17

[MassGuy]

As far as I know, with one possible exeception (not local LE), none knew specific details about this case. But I was interested in their knee jerk reaction and it was interesting how everyone said pretty much the same thing. So it may be a case of precision over accuracy. I was especially intrigued by the overwhelming response of a 23 year old. Although as time goes by, I get skeptical that a 23 year old would be able to pull this off....jmo.

Gotcha. Yeah, that type of thing is quite common. An older boyfriend, a romance that isn’t approved of, and ultimately murder.

Like I said, I had the same exact reaction (minus a specific age of the boyfriend).

This case seems to be very different from those cases, and there is no evidence of any type of romantic relationship in regards to Jayme, who seemed to have been a “young 13.”

That’s why I’m no longer seriously considering that angle.

 

[mtnlites]

Exactly. In cases where a family is murdered and a teen is missing, LE generally puts the pieces together very quickly.

This case looks nothing like those cases though.

And if this is something like the Groene case (where he was literally trolling for victims and just happened to drive by and see Shasta and the mother) then this is going to be very hard to solve unless the perp does something to screw up. I almost hope that a second person is involved, or at least is aware of the crime. Harder for two people to keep a secret.

 

[MassGuy]

And if this is something like the Groene case (where he was literally trolling for victims and just happened to drive by and see Shasta and the mother) then this is going to be very hard to solve unless the perp does something to screw up. I almost hope that a second person is involved, or at least is aware of the crime. Harder for two people to keep a secret.

Agreed. Short of physical evidence or someone talking, a random crime like this might be, could take years to solve.

If it ever is.

 

[Wrenny]

Here it is. MSM WQOW video on social media.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=525200044556965

WQOW News 18 · 0:07 Her cell phone is turned off, according to the sheriff.

 

[KitKat2xx8]

I keep going back to this as well-either someone who had possessive (if not particularly romantic) feelings for her or someone who she had a somewhat innocent relationship with but not everyone knew about.

I know she was only 13, and IMO kind of a "young" 13, but that doesn't mean that the guy (if there's a guy) looked at her in that way. When I was 12 and 13, I used to have older guys, some adults, who would flirt with me and even call the house. I had no sexual interest in them, but I enjoyed the attention. In hindsight I am skeeved out about it.

And this may be someone who's had the attraction for many years, and decided to now act on it. He may not even be currently active in her life,(doesn't see her on any daily/weekly basis) but has kept tabs on her over the years. He may no longer live in the area, but once did. And he may have taken her out of Barron county.
Sadly, with her parents gone, we may not have history of all the creepy characters that she might have come in contact with.
I keep leaning towards someone who was known to the family, but on a very informal-level, which could have been in the past. That is why this may be so hard to solve, because it's not an obvious type that lives in town/county.
I hope the deer hunters will be keeping eyes open in the nearby counties, for possible clues.

 

[mtnlites]

And this may be someone who's had the attraction for many years, and decided to now act on it. He may not even be currently active in her life,(doesn't see her on any daily/weekly basis) but has kept tabs on her over the years. He may no longer live in the area, but once did. And he may have taken her out of Barron county.
Sadly, with her parents gone, we may not have history of all the creepy characters that she might have come in contact with.
I keep leaning towards someone who was known to the family, but on a very informal-level, which could have been in the past. That is why this may be so hard to solve, because it's not an obvious type that lives in town/county.
I hope the deer hunters will be keeping eyes open in the nearby counties, for possible clues.

That's the kind of person I am leaning towards right now-someone who wasn't an active participant in her recent life, but someone who may have set off their warning bells in the past. And with all the creepy people out there, others in her life may not have even known about this person, which would make it even more difficult to find them.

 

[peace9274]

IIRC A teacher at her school said that Jayme had written a paper on what she’d do if she won a million dollars. I believe she said she’d give it to the poor/the homeless.

I wonder if she and her mother had worked at a soup kitchen, possibly through their church, that fed the homeless.

I could see her smiling sweetly yet innocently at someone in line and that person mistook it as she “fancied” him.

Possibly, Jayme and her mom brought homeless people into their home to feed or hired to do odd jobs, handi-man type stuff... and/or they took items to homeless shelters. And, possibly one of the homeless guys became obsessed with her.

MOO

 

[human]

IIRC A teacher at her school said that Jayme had written a paper on what she’d do if she won a million dollars. I believe she said she’d give it to the poor/the homeless.

I wonder if she and her mother had worked at a soup kitchen, possibly through their church, that fed the homeless.

I could see her smiling sweetly yet innocently at someone in line and that person mistook it as she “fancied” him.

Possibly, Jayme and her mom brought homeless people into their home or took items to a homeless shelter. And, possibly one of the homeless guys became obsessed with her.

MOO

That is interesting thinking. But a homeless person usually has no money or transportation. A gun and ammo is expensive.

Certainly people who seem nice and friendly get their share of undesirables.

As a teacher I had to get an unlisted number as I had needy parents who wished to come to my home. Fortunately, it was before GPS and I got an unlisted number years ago.

We know from cases on WS that needy men have thought a smile meant a relationship. So it could be that it happened somewhere. I would think they would mention it to someone though as it is very upsetting .

No good deed goes unpunished

 

[peace9274]

That is interesting thinking. But a homeless person usually has no money or transportation. A gun and ammo is expensive.

Certainly people who seem nice and friendly get their share of undesirables.

As a teacher I had to get an unlisted number as I had needy parents who wished to come to my home. Fortunately, it was before GPS and I got an unlisted number years ago.

We know from cases on WS that needy men have thought a smile meant a relationship. So it could be that it happened somewhere. I would think they would mention it to someone though as it is very upsetting .

No good deed goes unpunished

I agree, but like another theory of mine and MOO, the perp didn’t arrive with a gun of his own. James or Denise had a gun or a rifle and threatened the perp to leave.

A physical altercation took place, perp got the gun and shot James & Denise. Perp took Jamie and the gun/rifle and left the premises.

My theory of a homeless guy: He has an accomplice who has a car.
I guess.

 

[mtnlites]

That is interesting thinking. But a homeless person usually has no money or transportation. A gun and ammo is expensive.

Certainly people who seem nice and friendly get their share of undesirables.

As a teacher I had to get an unlisted number as I had needy parents who wished to come to my home. Fortunately, it was before GPS and I got an unlisted number years ago.

We know from cases on WS that needy men have thought a smile meant a relationship. So it could be that it happened somewhere. I would think they would mention it to someone though as it is very upsetting .

No good deed goes unpunished

BBM. There are many different degrees of "homelessness", though. Homeless people can literally live on the street, taking shelter under eaves and in tunnels during the night. However, many homeless people do have roofs over their heads, and even jobs and transportation-they just couch surf and stay with friends/family. My sister and her 4 kids were homeless for more than a year. They technically had a place to live (two of our spare bedrooms) but were still classified as "homeless" since it was a temporary arrangement. Homeless people can definitely have vehicles and even jobs; they just don't have enough resources to secure permanent housing and, as a result, must either stay with people they know or take up residence in a temporary shelter.

According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) , a homeless person is "an individual without permanent housing who may live on the streets; stay in a shelter, mission, single room occupancy facilities, abandoned building or vehicle; or in any other unstable or non-permanent situation. " What is the official definition of homelessness?

Guns and ammo ARE expensive (guns can be pricey, the ammo I use is relatively cheap) but sometimes people's priorities don't quite line up to what one would think the logical order should be.

I'm not sure how I feel about the theory of Jayme meeting a homeless person and inviting them over (although that's kind of what happened with Elizabeth Smart's family), but the possibility that she or her family extended some kindness to someone who interpreted it as something else still exists.

 

[Cardinal47]

And if this is something like the Groene case (where he was literally trolling for victims and just happened to drive by and see Shasta and the mother) then this is going to be very hard to solve unless the perp does something to screw up. I almost hope that a second person is involved, or at least is aware of the crime. Harder for two people to keep a secret.

"Two can keep a secret of one of them are dead!"

 

[Colorado303]

I honestly think the guy was at work, but just wanted to sort of agree with you by pointing out what the grandfather said was James was "working" not that he was "at work. " "Working" could mean a lot of things besides "at work."

Good point. I recall an earlier post that said Jenny-O didn’t have Sunday shifts. Just some maintenance projects/workers. A line lead could be brought in to help w/maintaining/repairing eqpt but it’s not the norm. I’m wondering where he was — could he have been working a 2nd job or helping a friend? His activities earlier Sunday may provide a clue as to who was involved, especially if he were one of the targets.

 

[mtnlites]

Good point. I recall an earlier post that said Jenny-O didn’t have Sunday shifts. Just some maintenance projects/workers. A line lead could be brought in to help w/maintaining/repairing eqpt but it’s not the norm. I’m wondering where he was — could he have been working a 2nd job or helping a friend? His activities earlier Sunday may provide a clue as to who was involved, especially if he were one of the targets.

Yeah, knowing his schedule (whole schedule, not just work) and retracing everyone's steps would be helpful in determining what the family did, and who they might have seen, there at the end.

As far as "work" goes, my husband hates gatherings. He rarely accompanies me. I've used "he's working" to cover everything from him teaching to him being at home and bingeing "Mythbusters."

 

[mtnlites]

One theory that I played around with for a while was that instead of abducting Jayme to be his bride/wife/girlfriend, what if he'd already abducted a child in the past (or had a bio child) and took Jayme to be a playmate of sorts for her? In the Ariel Castro abductions, I believe it was Amanda Berry who was taken to be their "Thanksgiving present".

 

[Angleterre]

Here’s my question though, were any of these people familiar with the details of this case?

I ask this, because my initial reaction upon hearing a brief news report, was to assume the same thing.

As I’ve learned more about this case, I absolutely don’t feel that way anymore.

I think what ‘Duck Duck’ is alluding to is that the 6 LE without exception have their ‘gut reaction ‘ to the whole scenario. As I did too on an earlier post which I detailed a very similar scenario and I’m LE
Not to say we are correct but it’s a gut reaction, that after years of doing this job, you tend to be relatively accurate about

 

[mtnlites]

Hunters are asked to be on the lookout. No real new info in this article, but figured I'd put it up here.

Hunters asked to help find clues to Jayme Closs

 

[Pretty Go Pale]

That's the kind of person I am leaning towards right now-someone who wasn't an active participant in her recent life, but someone who may have set off their warning bells in the past. And with all the creepy people out there, others in her life may not have even known about this person, which would make it even more difficult to find them.

I can see this as a strong possibility, though if it is the case, I think something involving the Closs family set the person off just prior to the violence -- and that it wasn't simply an inability to restrain a long-time desire that led the perp to act.

 

[mtnlites]

I really need to go to bed at some point.

In the abduction/murder of Ashley Freeman and Lauria Bible, the perps supposedly went to the house (trailer) over some drug money that was owed. The man who was arrested said that the girls surprised them, that they didn't know the 16 year olds were there. They abducted them kind of at the last minute because they wanted to assault them. (The parents were killed.) They were kept alive for several days before they were killed.

Just throwing that in here because it's an example of a case where abduction was NOT the primary motive. While I do not think the victims in this case were into any illegal activities, I guess it's still a possibility that the perp went to the house for one reason or another and then decided to abduct Jayme at the last minute. If this happened, then it would negate the whole fixation/obsession angle and it would mean that Jayme was not the primary target.

Like all the other theories, though, we really don't have enough to say anything with certainty. Although I definitely don't believe this was a sex trafficking thing.

 

[mtnlites]

I can see this as a strong possibility, though if it is the case, I think something involving the Closs family set the person off just prior to the violence -- and that it wasn't simply an inability to restrain a long-time desire that led the perp to act.

Yeah, as with the Watts' case I believe there was a trigger of sorts here-something that made the perp act in that particular way on that particular night.

 

[photographer4]

Body found in Kandiyohi County field. No other info offered at this time.

I don't know how to link on my iPhone. (Kstpdotcom)

Maybe nothing, who knows. apparently 3 hours from Barron.

So far I've not heard of any FBI involvement on that, so I'm thinking probably not Jayme.....