AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #18

[lonetraveler]

I think if they did not I suggest it may have been overlooked

Really hate to discuss this but if septic tank search should reveal condoms and the parents did not use them, then it opens up another avenue. JMO

 

[Cardinal47]

I think the OP you quoted wondered if LE had the septic tank pumped to look for items with DNA from a perp..ie a condom.

Yes you are right. My thought was if they were looking for a person that would require a perp to know the property.

 

[Marli61]

Yes you are right. My thought was if they were looking for a person that would require a perp to know the property.

Oh yes.. gotcha!

 

[BB71]

Agree.

Meth arrests are up 538% since 2011. I posted the link on this (arrest data) in a previous thread.
Woman across the street from Closs' home was arrested for meth the next day.
I think Jim Closs had a gun and that the perp took it with him.
I would like to know whether Jim and Denise were shot by the caliber bullet.
That would tell a story. But LE has been curiously tight lipped.

 

[Wrenny]

I think the evidence at the scene shows them he was standing at the shot up door when killed.

Here's a scenario that allows this plus allows dad coming home later. What if dad was not home (work, casino, bar, whatever) When the bad guy got there (intending to kidnap Jayme? intending to rape Jayme?) and kicked in the door. Bad guy kills mom, and is occupied with Jayme, when dad gets home. Another car in the driveway so he just drives up on the side like that and runs to the door, seeing it kicked in, runs in to try to help. Bad guy meanwhile hears dad coming, grabs Jayme and runs out the sliding door. Dad hears Jayme yelling outside, turns back toward the door to run out and try to save her, bad guy shoots him, and continues to leave, with Jayme.

 

[Falcon500]

Thank you for contributing to our thread.

I have a question regarding Denise’s location in the bathroom. I wonder why go through the trouble of trying to get to her if she’s not the intended target. Possibly to eliminate a witness?
I’m curious if it holds any weight in your experience? To be clear, I’m not asking you to site a motive, unless you care to answer that, but on any level, does it speak to you in any way that the suspect didn’t leave before killing her?

Thanks again for your valuable insight.

Perhaps she was in the bathroom to start with? Maybe she ran to the safest place that she could think of. Whoever killed her proobably did so to eliminate a witness.

 

[Trino]

Good point. But I've also seen in movies where someone crunches their arms up against their body and uses the full force of their body to try to break a door. Since we have very little facts to go on here, we're all spinning our wheels about what they found, unfortunately. It's maddening! Maybe the door had some weakness to begin with and not that much force was needed. If only we knew more...

Good photo and how to kick open a door. Notice the leg. Story says shoulder wrong approach
Knocking Down a Door | The Art of Manliness

 

[Wrenny]

I also am finding it odd that no gender, etc has been released. Regardless the identity, foul play must be involved IMO. The photos I've seen are of a somewhat open field (not corn)

Harvested field, from what I read.
Nothing released yet, that I've seen.

 

[Trino]

Harvested field, from what I read.
Nothing released yet, that I've seen.

Hispanic male. Source WCCO

The Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office has identified the deceased as 24-year-old David Medellin Jr. The manner of death has been ruled a homicide.

 

[Wrenny]

All we know is the neighbors heard two gunshots. We can only speculate that more were shot from within the house, besides the one that killed Denise, which would seem to have been done once he entered the house. Since they said the second shot was even louder, it adds even more confusion.

Again to not rule out any possibilities, since nothing is making sense... maybe the 2 shots they heard WERE someone shooting to get an animal, like they thought, and had nothing to do with the Closs family. It could be that they didn't hear any of the shots from the Closs home.

 

[MommaV]

Update on body found. Not JC. Kandiyohi County Sheriff's Office

 

[curious jane]

Again to not rule out any possibilities, since nothing is making sense... maybe the 2 shots they heard WERE someone shooting to get an animal, like they thought, and had nothing to do with the Closs family. It could be that they didn't hear any of the shots from the Closs home.

I expect that any one shooting that night would have contacted authorities and conveyed that to them.

 

[Trino]

Again to not rule out any possibilities, since nothing is making sense... maybe the 2 shots they heard WERE someone shooting to get an animal, like they thought, and had nothing to do with the Closs family. It could be that they didn't hear any of the shots from the Closs home.

Not hunting season - would be illegal. Also, it is at night and near homes. Hunters are very responsible and would not be in that area.

 

[human]

The idea that the father was apparently shot while answering the door/very near the door is a bit perplexing, imo. If a perp was planning a home invasion, it seems odd they would knock on the door – past midnight, apparently – as doing so in a rural area in a gun-friendly state might likely see a resident answer the door while carrying a firearm. Perp doesn’t want that, no sir. So, under the planned home-invasion scenario, a knock at the door seems unlikely.

Still, the father, it would appear, answered or was near the door when he was shot, after -- as reports have seemed to indicate -- the door was either kicked in or shot in. So, why was the father where he was? It’s possible he heard something outside the door (not much stealth involved by the perp, if that was the case) and went to have a look. Maybe the dog barked. I’m dubious about that scenario – just seems a stretch that the kicking in/shooting in of the door would happen right when the dad was approaching.

Seems to me, the most logical (not that logic apply in this case, of course) scenario is that the perp did knock at the door (because he was someone the family knew) and that the father at least went to the door, whether he opened it or not. I can envision the father either looking out a window to see who it was, or simply asking, “Who is it?” And, upon seeing/learning who it was – someone the father didn’t want to speak with in the least – I could envision the dad saying something like, “Get the hell outta here before I call the cops.” Almost immediately afterward, the door is kicked/shot in, w/ the dad right there.

Bottom line: odds are more likely than not that the perp was known to the father.

I feel if someone goes to answer the door with a gun, that person is not going to shoot the person at the door right away.

However, the perp knows he is going to kill so he kills. The person with the gun might as well have been holding a spoon for all that it matters with the perp with murder on his mind

 

[photographer4]

I think a 2nd perp posing as help is a possibility that can't be dismissed. Honestly at this point I don't think any possibilities can be dismissed.

But, what if, like Pretty Go Pale suggested, it was someone known to the father... in fact someone seen as an authority figure. A teacher, a family member, a member of law enforcement or someone posing as law enforcement. Would that be a situation where a friendly stranger might have picked her up, but be afraid to return her?

Wishful thinking I know, but anyone other than the killer picking her up, gives her the best chance of being alive now.

If it happened that way why hasn’t she surfaced yet?

 

[MsBetsy]

Perhaps she was in the bathroom to start with? Maybe she ran to the safest place that she could think of. Whoever killed her proobably did so to delete, sorry

 

[human]

LOL well... maybe?? You see my husband doesn't have a physical key to our house. Our locks are opened with our phones and the batteries died last week. Good way to keep him out

But, he may not have had a key. You would be surprised how many folks leave their doors unlocked in these areas of WI, I am sure not many anymore, but prior to this for sure. So if perp did lock it he may not actually have a key on him and dad would need to bust down the door.

Wouldn’t he knock?

 

[Wrenny]

All I know, is I try to keep my computer cameras covered with a sticky note and my microphone off, just in case. I saw on the news years ago about an issue with kids bringing home school laptops and leaving them open with the camera showing their entire room and it being possible for someone to hack the camera to see what their room looks like or to watch them even when they were not aware of it. Perhaps camera security has improved to close the way into hacking these devices? I really don't know...

I keep a bandaid over my computer's camera. It is possible to hack into your wifi and turn on the camera, even if you don't have the camera driver installed.

 

[SandyQLS]

Still fixated on the violent entry so I decided to analyze.

How many kicks (shoe prints) were used? If one is the answer, the killer knew how to properly kick in a door and where to kick. It takes sort of a leg lunge with one leg toward the door near the lock.

The height of a lock for most doors is about two feet, eight inches (or higher), plus remember the door bottom is the same level as the inside floor, about another 8 inches higher than the ground/walk where the killer would be standing. This means the person kicking the door at the correct place and the correct level would need to kick with great force higher than three feet or more from where he was standing. IMO the person would probably be in good physical shape and agile.

So, if the door was one kick to open, who is trained to do this? Ex or current military, SWAT, federal agents, fire-fighters, martial arts. Not your average burglar.

The storm door that LE removed as evidence had to have been open, too.

Maybe it is as simple as the Unsub walked right up, opened the storm door, little dog runs barking to noise at door, Jim approaching to check it out, Unsub kicking wooden door in while firing. Just that fast.

 

[Trino]

Killer/abductor needs food, maybe clothes for Jayme, probably gas. Strange that no one has seen anything. Could it be that where he purchases these items, he is well-known, and no one would suspect him?