AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #19

[CarnegieHall]

If that were true wouldn’t DC want Jayme out of the house?

Maybe she/he assumed they were the ones with the knowledge and perps would leave Jayme out of it. The drug people’s beef was with DC and/or JC—no need to involve the child. All imo

 

[Jax49]

Denise Closs had barricaded herself in the bathroom. This is fact.
'A lot of yelling' was heard in grim 911 call made the morning 13-year-old Jayme Closs vanished | Daily Mail Online

Respectfully an unnamed source reported she was in the bathroom. Not at all sure it is a reliable source. moo

 

[gngr~snap]

And that family reports Jayme/Denise gave gifts to everyone at the party???
Who goes to a bday party for your nephew with gifts for every guest?

I thought I was the only person who found this really odd.
There is something about it that rubs me the wrong way.
Unless, she knew her holiday work hours wouldn't permit her to attend any family Christmas activities.
That could very well be the case.
I know when I was a nurse, I often traded vacation days with women who had young children.
Mine were old enough to understand that Christmas would be "delayed" a week or a few days.
We still always had our family Christmas morning activities together, but we couldn't always make the BIG family gathering.
Moo

 

[Elizabeth Lavenza]

I did not register.
The address is not in the written description. Under the description it says Last Known Location with a location icon. Click on that and it shows the adress.

Ohhhh...i see what you mean..thanks

 

[Creole Sleuth]

I just checked the NAMUS for Jayme, it says: "Jayme was last seen in Barron, WI on 10/15/2018 at 12:58am." It does not mention where, but it is the time of the 911 call from her home.

Is it at all possible that the 911 call was a Face-time call? I don't know how technologically advanced 911 systems are. Or LE clearly heard Jayme's voice on the call to be able to say she was there and alive. I do recall in one of the earliest public addresses the sheriff said that Jayme may have been forced at gunpoint. His impression had to be obtained from the 911 call, right?

 

[human]

They might not stand out as much as you'd think. Northern Wisconsin is a very popular place for people who are into hunting and fishing, and there are a lot of strangers during those seasons - renting cabins during the summer for fishing, and often in the fall for hunting. Although most of those "tourists" aren't their looking for recruits, someone who was might fit in well enough. I know there are a lot of people (those that I know are mostly men) who go out there every year, and more than one has committed murder while out there. I think the casinos in Turtle Lake and Hertel might also be a place where strangers would fit in rather easily. MOO

The statistics on murder do not seem to bear that out. I posted the statistics for Barron county. I have traveled that way many a time and I lived close to there in MN.

 

[Seattle1]

What if Denise and/or James were aware of the possible danger they were in and that’s why she brought a gift for everyone, to remember her if anything happened. To be clear, I don’t think she would have confided this knowledge or fear to any family members (she wouldn’t want to put them in danger too)imo

No.

 

[CarnegieHall]

No.

Respectfully, Why is this not possible?

 

[Lillymac]

RBBM. Lots of families get together for lunch or dinner every Sunday as a matter of tradition. Perhaps it is less common these days? I saw my grandparents and cousins at least once a week for the family dinner growing up. If one of my cousins had a birthday that week then the meal included cake and ice cream and singing happy birthday. That said, I'm confused as to why this family gathering could be significant to the crime. A Sunday family gathering for a cousin's birthday sounds pretty common, mundane almost. Can either of you enlighten me as to why you think it could be significant? TIA

(as long as your thoughts are within TOS, of course, if not just ignore me and I won't take offense at all )

My family was the same and it was always at my grandmother's. A tradition I wish we still did. My children don't even know some of their cousins.

 

[gngr~snap]

Is it at all possible that the 911 call was a Face-time call? I don't know how technologically advanced 911 systems are. Or LE clearly heard Jayme's voice on the call to be able to say she was there and alive. I do recall in one of the earliest public addresses the sheriff said that Jayme may have been forced at gunpoint. His impression had to be obtained from the 911 call, right?

If you happen to have the right app, yes.

All women should have this app! IMO

"When the SOS is activated, your guardians will get your location, after which they will be able to see and hear everything that is happening in real-time via live streaming."

https://getbsafe.com/features/
MOO

 

[Seattle1]

And that family reports Jayme/Denise gave gifts to everyone at the party???
Who goes to a bday party for your nephew with gifts for every guest?

Denise thoughtfulness was shared by her Father in local news story previously linked.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Denise Closs had barricaded herself in the bathroom. This is fact.
'A lot of yelling' was heard in grim 911 call made the morning 13-year-old Jayme Closs vanished | Daily Mail Online

It’s hard to consider something a “fact” that doesn’t come directly from LE.

ETA: “Her wounded father answered the door for police before dying from the gunshots, Fox News reported based on its interpretation of the log.” ??? This article is playing fast and loose with the “facts”.

 

[Confusion]

The statistics on murder do not seem to bear that out. I posted the statistics for Barron county. I have traveled that way many a time and I lived close to there in MN.

I said Northern Wisconsin, not Barron. My father came from Barron, my mother came from Turtle Lake, a lot of both families still live in the immediate area and my son lives in Spooner. I hear a lot about what goes on out there (I was actually born in Rice Lake, but have spent almost all my life living in Minnesota.)

ETA: It's been longer than I thought since the worst one I was thinking of, but there were 6 people murdered and 2 others injured basically over nothing. A hunting spot if I remember correctly, and there are a lot of racists in the are. I heard some of their comments set him off, but I think it would take more than that to cause most 'normal' people to go off like that.

10 years ago, 6 deer hunters slain in woods of western Wisconsin – Twin Cities

 

[Ellie1]

I found the Dance Instructor on NG pod. Her info may shed light on something imo. What that something is idk. Reporting that dance instructor received a text from Denise that Sunday start at 07.16min
"Missing Jayme Closs -- Wisconsin girl disappears as both parents are shot dead at home"
"Scared that nobody knows anything" Fink said she had just been texting with Denise Closs over the weekend about Jaymes dance schedule. "...today coming into work I was going to try to find another class for her and instead we're doing this"
Its reported in a news report here:
Wisconsin town on edge with search for missing teen, parents found shot to death
"..Fink said the mood had been "somber" with the realization that part of their family was missing.
"That ache doesn't go away," she said.
Jayme, a quiet, sweet girl who blossomed under encouragement, has taken dance classes since at least 2010, Fink said. She was scheduled to come in for a 5:40 p.m. class Wednesday with two other girls. Instead, Fink expected she would let Jayme's classmates and parents talk about their missing friend.

Tearing up, Fink said she can't help but wonder what Jayme is going through.

People feel frustrated and helpless, she acknowledged, wanting to make sure no stone is left unturned to bring Jayme home. But she said she was encouraged by Fitzgerald's efforts, along with those of state and federal authorities.

"We have to trust the process," Fink said. "She's out there ... we're praying so hard for her...."

So was Jayme changing her schedule for some classes but not all classes Or after a specific date? Its relevant IMO bc the scheduling conflict reason may be important. IMO, It could be nothing it could be something. I thought her caregiver would get her to dance if parents were unable to. So is it possible somebody else would take her to dance when her parents or caregiver were unabe to take or pick her up.

If Jayme sounded suicidal somehow on 911 call, they may have thought this? <modsnip - rumor >.

<modsnip - references part of quoted post has been snipped > Assuming both of these are accurate - Denise changing Jayme's dance schedule and her being out of school - could they have been aware of a threat to Jayme and/or themselves and been changing her schedule out of caution?

Which could potentially relate to:

I've been hesitant to share my complete thoughts on this, but tonight I think I will. I'll preface by saying it's my opinion only of course. I believe the turning point in my thinking was getting past the shock that a 13 year old girl was abducted.

Digging a bit deeper into what's going on in Barron County, it's obvious they have both a meth problem and an unusually high concentration of sex offenders. Despite what was discussed earlier about Mexican Cartels supplying meth, a quick google search shows plenty of "manufacture and distribute" examples - that's the home grown stuff. And the sex offender to resident ratio is 80:1 in the city of Barron - that's staggering.

I was also surprised at how many of the drug cases I found involved Confidential Informants. There's enough publicly available info to establish Barron County has been cultivating a Confidential Informant program for years and making a concerted effort to infiltrate their local drug underground, something I didn't expect to find in a county of only 45k people. There's even a case where one of their confidential informants was setting up fake drug deals, implicating innocent people and pocketing the money from controlled buys. Dealing with CI's can be tricky, no idea where their loyalties lie and what their motivations are.

But in the case of sting operations that lead back to a manufacturing and distribution network within the local area, whoever doesn't get caught up in the first sweep is left wondering who snitched, what they know, and who else is going to be implicated. This is the situation I believe led to the Closs murders. You've got snitches that can't admit they're snitches and they're eager to point the finger at anyone other than themselves. It could be as innocent as a friend that James had a beer with was in a position to know something. Regardless, there would now be dangerous people with a whole lot to lose that need the snitch silenced.

My theory is that somebody at risk of being implicated in one of these drug raids wanted this killing believing either James or Denise had provided information. Using people not local but already involved in the flow, I'm comfortable assuming that whoever showed up to kill James and/or Denise is already a pretty deviant person and grabbing the girl was opportunistic.

Okay, again - My Opinion Only.

So, you are saying one or both of the Closs's were CI's (or assumed to be) and they were whacked by organized crime because of it? Unfortunately, that seems extremely plausible. Another dimension of small towns is the talk. They very easily may have been repeating something they observed or heard, and that got them killed. What would cartel thugs do with Jayme? Anything is possible, death probable.
Stop and think, why are cartels allowed to operate so pervasively in the usa and mexico?

Kind of, but not exactly. I wouldn’t consider the home-grown meth operations to be “organized crime”, at least not the motley bunches of people that get busted around here. Meth isn’t hard to make which is why these small town operations exploded (figuratively, and sometimes literally). The people involved in these meth busts aren’t the same type of people that get stung in other drug raids because the other drugs got here through a more organized and expensive network. Local meth operations can involve the bottom rung of the local social ladder, really undesirable people. That’s the type of organization I believe had a perceived motive to kill one or both Closs parents.

My primary questions about confidential informants would be, why would they be confidential informants, likely knowing the very high risks, with a 13 year old daughter? I'm not sure how that works - do you fall into being one if you witness a crime and the police ask you to? Do you volunteer to? Do they ask you to for some other reason? How does one come to be a confidential informant? I really can't see them volunteering to be one (or two) but you never know.

Regardless of whether the confidential informant thing is likely (so many possibilities, who really knows), could it have been possible they were aware of a threat, from whatever source it may have been, and been changing her schedule?

 

[Gardener1850]

Denise Closs had barricaded herself in the bathroom. This is fact.
'A lot of yelling' was heard in grim 911 call made the morning 13-year-old Jayme Closs vanished | Daily Mail Online

I think that has only been reported by Daily Mail and Radar Online (possibly also In Touch which is owner by the same people). These are all "media" groups that pay people for info and as a result can be very gossipy/not super accurate. The source is "an unnamed source". The lack of any direct comment by LE about the bathroom and the lack of more reputable sources reporting the same thing means it's still up to debate to a lot of people. It may not be true. Maybe Radar has a legit LE source who leaked. Or maybe their source is the janitor who has a theory and wanted to make a few bucks. We can't really tell. I got caught up a few times thinking the bathroom was a settled fact myself (oops ) and putting it in my theories. I think it's wise to use caution if one is building a theory around the bathroom story. JMO.

 

[gngr~snap]

My family was the same and it was always at my grandmother's. A tradition I wish we still did. My children don't even know some of their cousins.

OT- my children grew up without cousins!
My husband who is adopted recently was found by his older brother.
We hope to meet his brother in January!
Yep. Random DNA submission and boom!
Brothers!
Our family gatherings consisted of my aunts, uncles, cousins and parents.
Most of whom are no longer with us.
On topic!
I'm happy to hear Jayme was involved and close with family members.
Only children can get so lonely even with extracurricular activities!
I hated being an only child!!!
Moo

 

[KLM6]

I really believe the "gifts" were little party favor gifts, not like a big thought out gift for each person. Could have been something crafty or a little candy bag. My thinking was they probably brought one for each kid, and probably gave one to grandpa. Just my opinion.

 

[gngr~snap]

<modsnip - rumor >Assuming both of these are accurate - Denise changing Jayme's dance schedule and her being out of school - could they have been aware of a threat to Jayme and/or themselves and been changing her schedule out of caution?

Which could potentially relate to:







My primary questions about confidential informants would be, why would they be confidential informants, likely knowing the very high risks, with a 13 year old daughter? I'm not sure how that works - do you fall into being one if you witness a crime and the police ask you to? Do you volunteer to? Do they ask you to for some other reason? How does one come to be a confidential informant? I really can't see them volunteering to be one (or two) but you never know.

Regardless of whether the confidential informant thing is likely (so many possibilities, who really knows), could it have been possible they were aware of a threat, from whatever source it may have been, and been changing her schedule?

There are several people who said that they were willing to help anyone in need.
This could expand into someone who expected something that they were not able to provide for them, then things went haywire.
Moo

 

[SharonNeedles]

<modsnip - rumor > Assuming both of these are accurate - Denise changing Jayme's dance schedule and her being out of school - could they have been aware of a threat to Jayme and/or themselves and been changing her schedule out of caution?

Which could potentially relate to:







My primary questions about confidential informants would be, why would they be confidential informants, likely knowing the very high risks, with a 13 year old daughter? I'm not sure how that works - do you fall into being one if you witness a crime and the police ask you to? Do you volunteer to? Do they ask you to for some other reason? How does one come to be a confidential informant? I really can't see them volunteering to be one (or two) but you never know.

Regardless of whether the confidential informant thing is likely (so many possibilities, who really knows), could it have been possible they were aware of a threat, from whatever source it may have been, and been changing her schedule?

I’m not suggesting James or Denise were confidential informants, they seem unlikely candidates for that.

 

[BB71]

Ohhhh...i see what you mean..thanks

NAMUS? This is the general Barron, WI location. Put Barron, WI in ur maps app, u will get the same place.