AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[elektroangel]

I did not follow it at all, but the killers of several people in the Rhoden family were all related including a mother and grandmothers. Perps are absurd One never knows what idiocy propels them to kill.

I didn't either. I just read up on it. Seriously messed up stuff. And very true, we just never know.

 

[tiffkinsadder]

Maybe the color stands out more than the specific design of the car since it is moving so fast? I don't know. But at first they said it could by orange or red so when they are close in color it must be hard to tell. Imo

I only saw renderings...there is video???

 

[1987]

Maybe the color stands out more than the specific design of the car since it is moving so fast? I don't know. But at first they said it could by orange or red so when they are close in color it must be hard to tell. Imo

daytime that would fit well. night vision not so much. the quality of camera has to be excellent or there has to be a large amount of light to get color. my cameras have great night vision and I cant get color, not accurately. I was trying to let it go until the last interview I seen and sheriff said the the camera footage was very poor and it brought it back to my thinking again and I started to entertain other thoughts about what other info could be combined with the poor video. all I can come up with that makes it fit in my mind is if there was a moth or a leaf stuck to the camera lens and it was a quality camera but had obstruction on the lens.

 

[CuriousMaine]

I have a question. On page one, if you scroll down it says that Sheriff could not make this an amber alert because there was no info about vehicle or suspect. It then, was an amber alert. What new information was there to make that change? Was it the first information about the black/red vehicles? Wisconsin AMBER Alert Program

He explained in a more recent interview. Essentially, it did not meet the criteria, so they wouldn't do it for him, but the FBI pulled some strings and got it done.

 

[CuriousMaine]

I have wondered if the vehicles description was created just to meet requirements for amber alert. I can not understand how video is so poor they cant tell anything but so good they got color.

I wonder if they got the lower half of one side. Maybe thought the rocker-panel and rims matched a Challenger. IDK.

 

[CuriousMaine]

daytime that would fit well. night vision not so much. the quality of camera has to be excellent or there has to be a large amount of light to get color. my cameras have great night vision and I cant get color, not accurately. I was trying to let it go until the last interview I seen and sheriff said the the camera footage was very poor and it brought it back to my thinking again and I started to entertain other thoughts about what other info could be combined with the poor video. all I can come up with that makes it fit in my mind is if there was a moth or a leaf stuck to the camera lens and it was a quality camera but had obstruction on the lens.

Obstruction, yes, good point. Or maybe the distance from the camera, or angle.

 

[KLM6]

The Dryden interview really made me think about a lot of things. This is my opinion only, but I feel that what happened inside the home may be a pretty cut and dry story. Either way, I feel that Fitzgerald knows pretty closely what happened, and how. That said, the perp(s) - especially if there was more than one person involved - may try to tell a different story than what he knows took place, or even different stories from each other. Maybe it seems unreasonable to us that he wont release certain bits of info, but maybe somehow to him all those little things will be pertinent for credibility purposes when interrogation, and ultimately prosecution, happens. Investigations typically work that way, but I just think maybe there really isnt a lot of great detail in this case. Or that its very apparent what happened and how. moo.

On the other hand, thinking like this really got my head spinning about questions he couldnt, wouldnt, or didnt answer though. Lol

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am not liking how there is no communication going on between LE and the public anymore. What if they have nothing concrete?

I think they have gone quiet for now because they are in a waiting pattern for the forensic lab results to be returned on the evidence they have sent in. Until that happens the case cannot go forward as much as they would like.

I dont think the case is cold by any means.

In other cases they quitened down too after a few weeks. Then in a couple of months after the crimes occurred they had the forensic results back in and an arrest was announced shortly afterwards.

The reason for the delay? They were also waiting for all of the lab results to be retuned and when it came back is when they announced a suspect had been arrested.

I really think that may be the case here in this one as well.

Imo that is where they are in this investigation as well.

Meantime while they wait they will continue to rundown all leads and tips.

Imo

 

[cluciano63]

So True! No matter what he says people are going to be wondering if it's an important clue! We don't have much to go on so we end up analyzing everything. Jmo

But he is aware of rumors and how they spread. All LE is. Would be easy to say “ no” to certain questions, especially if they affect the victims. If I were in the family, I would rather he had squashed the 19-yr old boyfriend rumor on the spot. But jmo.

 

[Bugurl747]

Someone really wanted to hurt that family on all levels. IMO

That, or it was all driven by self gratification and perhaps the family wasn't even a pre or after thought? MOO

 

[kkdj]

I believe the perp came for Jayme and killed her parents because he knew they would stand in his way. Had there been prior confrontations between the parents and the perp? It seems to me the perp and Jayme must have known each other. Had there been prior interaction? If this is the case I hope someone was told about it, someone saw something, someone overheard something, something is on her sm.....anything. This perp wanted Jayme and would kill to have her and so he did.
I can't get this theory to not work so I keep going back to it.
all jmo imo, imho.

 

[Stunned]

That's kind of how we open the door to people we're not expecting after midnight. You have it nearby, just in case, but it's not actually cocked and ready to go. If someone knocked then it might have thrown them off, too. The thought has gone through my head that, well, they knocked so they must be okay or otherwise they'd have just barged right in. (I know, not entirely logical, but the idea still floats.)

I don’t own a gun.But I would l say loudly I have one! Oh crap, who am I kidding! I would ask who is there and then call 911. What a wanna be I am. I would be dead in the first 2 minutes.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I've been thinking about this case all day and have settled on one specific theory. However, I haven't been able to keep up with this thread as much as I would like to, and may be missing some key points. So thank you in advance for helping me fill in the blanks, or correct my misinformation!

After my own great debate, I'm settling on the amateur speculation and opinion that the Perp is a current or former (most likely former), disgruntled employee of the plant where the parents worked. I speculate this person was either fired, or suffered significant economic loss through demotion, being reported for something, as a direct result of one, or both of the parents. This could have been several years ago, and perhaps the person's life unraveled as a result.

Do I have it right that the murders and abduction of Jayme was shortly after the Dad got home? Obviously someone knew his schedule, and lay in wait. Jayme may or may not have been a surprise element. It would be interesting to know if Jayme had been scheduled to be on a dance club road trip, on the night of the murders (Oct 15), but ended up at home.

We know what the odds of her surviving are. Yet, as long as earthly remains haven't been discovered we must press on.
I conclude this was pure hot murderous *revenge* rage. I think the Perp lost a great deal as a result of one of (or both) of the parents actions.

Against almost impossible odds, praying for Jayme's safe return and for her well being in the interim.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[CuriousMaine]

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Shotguns "sprays out" pellets or a single slug. Unlikely on accidentally hitting DC with pellet spray. Usually spray is 3-5 inches up close, 12-18 far away, but not as likely to be lethal. Difficult to explain, but for instance all 12 gauge shotguns can shoot a variety of ammunition types. Some spray more than others, depending on "choke". Here's a good link explaining: Ammunition Demystifier - Types Of Shotgun Ammo - The Well Armed Woman

We don't know if he owned firearms, if or how much he drank,or any of the other questions you have. No info has been reported.
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[tiffkinsadder]

I think they have gone quiet for now because they are in a waiting pattern for the forensic lab results to be returned on the evidence they have sent in. Until that happens the case cannot go forward as much as they would like.

I dont think the case is cold by any means.

In other cases they quitened down too after a few weeks. Then in a couple of months after the crimes occurred they had the forensic results back in and an arrest was announced shortly afterwards.

The reason for the delay? They were also waiting for all of the lab results to be retuned and when it came back is when they announced a suspect had been arrested.

I really think that may be the case here in this one as well.

Imo that is where they are in this investigation as well.

Meantime while they wait they will continue to rundown all leads and tips.

Imo

So true! I wish they would have fast tracked evidence to Quanico(sp) like they did in Hania’s case. Maybe they did!

 

[CuriousMaine]

killer might not have even brought firearm, could have just taken fathers if he went to the door with one.

IDK. James seems a formidable man, athletic, works out at the gym. That would be a risky proposition, IMO.

 

[Gardener1850]

With all the video footage, the sheriff would be know whether or not James was at the casino. My question is why he answered that in the manner in which he did. If it has no bearing on the case, why not just say yes or no? Or just say "no comment"?

The more I think about this the more I think that James probably worked 1st shift and then went home around 3 or 4 PM and watched football the rest of the day. It may be that James didn't go anywhere else that day so they have nothing to track as far as his movements. If his phone was shown as at home and they have no other info nor evidence to indicate he left home that afternoon, would they even look at the casino? When asked if James was at the Casino perhaps Fitzgerald said "I don't know" because they really have not had any reason to check that. Maybe they are comfortable with the info they have that places James at work and/or home-- he might have been texting Denise and Jayme throughout the day or using his phone to check football scores. Internet theories from people who never even met James Closs and don't know what other evidence LE has in the case, do not make a compelling reason for LE to check if he went to a casino. JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

We have no idea when James got home or even if he had been at work...and evidently won’t hear it from LE I guess.

 

[KLM6]

New family interview Kare 11. I can only find it on Kare11 FB. I cant find it on their website. Is their FB allowed??

 

[CuriousMaine]

I only saw renderings...there is video???

yea, we don't video, the Sheriff has mentioned the vehicles of interest were obtained by video, and perhaps other methods.