AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[MassGuy]

Plus why take Jayme if that were the case?

That too!

 

[Charliegizmo49]

It's not unusual for details to be wrong, so it doesn't surprise me to find out now that Jim was at the party. And now we know that Jayme did have a cellphone.
The other tidbit is that it sounds like someone called 911 but dropped the phone since the sounds they heard were from far away, like from another room. Makes you wonder if Jayme called 911 and someone grabbed her and she dropped the phone.

SEE CORRECTION AT VERY END OF STORY.

 

[Jabarn]

I think, although the 911 call might have sounded distant and muffled, perhaps... that a word or two might be able to be heard. (if not more) Maybe something the 911 operator heard or even thought he/she heard made him/her pass on information to LE that gave that impression (of possible suicide.) Not seeing anything at first to contradict such information may have lead the first LE arriving to report the same possibility.

The 911 was very important because it alerted the call center to send out dispatchers to the scene. Whoever made that call was brave to have pushed the buttons, while remaining silent.

 

[cluciano63]

You have access to texts remotely if you have a subpoena. But they will know what messaging apps she may have used. Not sure if they can access her Cloud or not. Would give a timeline but I hope she was asleep by 12:30 am on a school night.

Can they see deleted texts and apps without the actual phone, seems not?

 

[Charliegizmo49]

If they wanted to know, they would know due to the license plate readers most, if not all casinos have upon entering their parking lot. Then, the hundreds of top line security cameras with perfect image quality one can imagine are used. Speaking of plate readers, most infested areas of crime have them on bridges / stop lights. I would think this sheriff has that technology to work with. However, stop light cameras only do good if working, meaning high failure rate

The easiest and fastest way to see if Closs was at Casino would be to check his win/loss record on his players statement. 95% of regular players have a card.

 

[Jabarn]

The easiest and fastest way to see if Closs was at Casino would be to check his win/loss record on his players statement. 95% of regular players have a card.

I don’t get AT All why that would not be something Fitzgerald would not know. Casinos have video cameras all over the place, right?

Night all.

 

[cluciano63]

If he had been at casino, video would show him leaving, probably even driving away, so if he was followed LE would know by now and likely have a better/any vehicle description jmo.

 

[pepper 34]

I'm really sorry I clicked that link to Radar. What a bunch of bull hockey. JMO.

The ripples of falsehoods begun this way end up becoming a tidal wave in SM before the week is out... building and growing into a frenzy of comments, uninformed opinions, rumors, outright lies and with the obligatory handful of trolls jumping in on the act to really stir emotions up. This is one more reason, along with fear as to why, if I lived in Barron, WI, I wouldn't dream of speaking to anyone in the media field if I had any personal information to convey. Look at how the original news story morphed into a false exaggeration so quickly from one article to the next. No thank-you; no comment! Not everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame. Many just want to live a quiet, respectful and peaceful mind-your-own-business and I'll-mind- mine-life.

 

[kozzles]

I think, although the 911 call might have sounded distant and muffled, perhaps... that a word or two might be able to be heard. (if not more) Maybe something the 911 operator heard or even thought he/she heard made him/her pass on information to LE that gave that impression (of possible suicide.) Not seeing anything at first to contradict such information may have lead the first LE arriving to report the same possibility.

Just offering my take on this as a previous dispatcher for many years - you HAVE to enter a reason for each call.. you can put “unknown” as a last resort- it’s not the fastest response for dispatch so it’s avoided as much as possible. Often if a call came in with someone just sobbing on the phone I’d categorise the call to possible mental health issue.., or perhaps with the word “die” “kill” mentioned etc and no sound or mention of anyone else, I’d say possible suicide attempt..However- if there is a call history of attempted suicide on the callers number, and a crying call or a non-spoken call presented, I’d classify as a suicide attempt.... So my point is - IMO there was not just sobbing on the phone or a blank call with yelling in the background - UNLESS there was a history of suicidal calls from Denise’s phone. The call takers would often not write all the info in a dispatch log if it was sensitive info, as it gets called over the radio and these days anyone especially media can listen in. The call taker possibly spoke extra information directly to the dispatcher ...

 

[crhedBngr]

Just checked out the DrydenWire Interview exclusively with Sheriff Fitzgerald. Roughly around the 24-minute mark, he responds to a viewer's question about DNA. Around the 25-minute mark, Fitzgerald indicates "our evidence is still being processed at the crime lab".

This interview was published on November 9. That was last Friday.

Enclosing the link to this interview here:

 

[cluciano63]

If no voices, just sounds on the 911 call, that seems more indicative of suicide perhaps initially...but I am at a loss as to why this matters now.

 

[Nerissa]

Yes, the ambiguous wording: can't comment on that...is interesting
it's not the usual 'no comment'
Nor is it: "I don't know'
The Sheriff is comfortable saying 'I don't know'...
So it is indeed interesting that he didn't say that...simply that he cannot comment...
And, he said 'no comment' within parameters wherein I daresay he has information, he's just not going to share...so it is very very interesting indeed

 

[pepper 34]

One other thing, please, if I may. I think this sheriff is greatly respected in the Barron area and he asked people to use him for the go-to person for information in this case. I'm thinking he discussed this during the closed meeting(s) "for citizens only" (the one the media sources had such a problem with.) I think that respect will keep people's mouths closed as far as talking about this case with media. At least I hope so because I have no problem at all with this and I think it will serve well towards justice for James, Denise and Jayme in the long run. I do believe that LE knows a lot more than some of us think they do. Withholding information from the public means it's being withheld from the killers, too, and I think that's part of LE's strategy.

 

[Gardener1850]

Just offering my take on this as a previous dispatcher for many years - you HAVE to enter a reason for each call.. you can put “unknown” as a last resort- it’s not the fastest response for dispatch so it’s avoided as much as possible. Often if a call came in with someone just sobbing on the phone I’d categorise the call to possible mental health issue.., or perhaps with the word “die” “kill” mentioned etc and no sound or mention of anyone else, I’d say possible suicide attempt..However- if there is a call history of attempted suicide on the callers number, and a crying call or a non-spoken call presented, I’d classify as a suicide attempt.... So my point is - IMO there was not just sobbing on the phone or a blank call with yelling in the background - UNLESS there was a history of suicidal calls from Denise’s phone. The call takers would often not write all the info in a dispatch log if it was sensitive info, as it gets called over the radio and these days anyone especially media can listen in. The call taker possibly spoke extra information directly to the dispatcher ...

It was classified as a "911 hang up".
See page 1 of the dispatch log, second line of the table at the bottom: http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/barron+county+call+log.pdf

 

[#Hayls]

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So many thoughts on this! I can go either way!

If there was a negative encounter prior to the crime, would James keep his gun close afterward?
Did he have gun(s) handy? Did he have ammunition? Did he think a gun was necessary in relation to the situation? Was he familiar or unfamiliar with the person? Was the person he interacted with the same person that came back later?

The perp leaving and returning could give James, Denise, and Jayme the time and opportunity to post about the initial encounter on social media, call police, inform neighbors, prepare for the perp's return (weapons, cameras), or leave the property depending on the length of time between the two events.

Was the truck parked differently because the family tried to leave and had to run back in to the house?
Was it parked differently because he was being followed and ran inside?
Did someone attempt to take the truck and change their mind?
Did somone else drive James home in his own truck?

These are just a few things I thought about for this specific scenario. There is more, but I'd like to read what others have been posting on WS right now.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Just offering my take on this as a previous dispatcher for many years - you HAVE to enter a reason for each call.. you can put “unknown” as a last resort- it’s not the fastest response for dispatch so it’s avoided as much as possible. Often if a call came in with someone just sobbing on the phone I’d categorise the call to possible mental health issue.., or perhaps with the word “die” “kill” mentioned etc and no sound or mention of anyone else, I’d say possible suicide attempt..However- if there is a call history of attempted suicide on the callers number, and a crying call or a non-spoken call presented, I’d classify as a suicide attempt.... So my point is - IMO there was not just sobbing on the phone or a blank call with yelling in the background - UNLESS there was a history of suicidal calls from Denise’s phone. The call takers would often not write all the info in a dispatch log if it was sensitive info, as it gets called over the radio and these days anyone especially media can listen in. The call taker possibly spoke extra information directly to the dispatcher ...

According to the call log http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/barron+county+call+log.pdf on Page 7 (the section called Radio Log) the log plainly states the call type at the time each unit was dispatched. The first dispatches of units were for a call classified as a 911 Hangup.

 

[pepper 34]

Just offering my take on this as a previous dispatcher for many years - you HAVE to enter a reason for each call.. you can put “unknown” as a last resort- it’s not the fastest response for dispatch so it’s avoided as much as possible. Often if a call came in with someone just sobbing on the phone I’d categorise the call to possible mental health issue.., or perhaps with the word “die” “kill” mentioned etc and no sound or mention of anyone else, I’d say possible suicide attempt..However- if there is a call history of attempted suicide on the callers number, and a crying call or a non-spoken call presented, I’d classify as a suicide attempt.... So my point is - IMO there was not just sobbing on the phone or a blank call with yelling in the background - UNLESS there was a history of suicidal calls from Denise’s phone. The call takers would often not write all the info in a dispatch log if it was sensitive info, as it gets called over the radio and these days anyone especially media can listen in. The call taker possibly spoke extra information directly to the dispatcher ...

Thank-you for this information. First hand knowledge is always welcome. I have privately considered the possibility of a previous call to 911 on this very subject and why the first LE response came to that conclusion as a first impression. Does this violate TOS? If so, please let me know and I'll delete this immediately.

 

[Whiskers16]

Thread is closed for review.

 

[Whiskers16]

Thread is back open. Reminder on the rules about Social Media - full policy here. Do not post information from a family member's page. This includes pictures, posts, comments on posts, anything.

Social media pages that fall in the following categories are OFF LIMITS.

Family members of either a victim or a suspect
Friends of either a victim or a suspect
Most any other individual

Don't link to these pages, nor make reference to information you find on them.

 

[HarvestMoon]

Did anyone watch the interview with the family this evening?