AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #23

[Jim_M]

Maybe the point was to keep Jayme's name in the media and keep the public thinking about her.
He has said many times they only need that one tip that will break this case open. Someone may know something but is holding back hoping LE will solve it on their own. Maybe if the right person sees LE really have nothing that person will be motivated to step out of their comfort zone and finally turn in that shady neighbor/friend/family member of theirs to the tip line...No one wants to think the worst of someone close to them but someone has to have noticed something off. No one wants to get a potentially innocent person mixed up in an investigation if they are wrong but most likely someone has seen this perp acting unusual. Someone has gotten bad vibes from this person in the past and brushed them off. JMO.

How do we make Gardener1850's Posting go viral? This is exactly what's needed to keep these cases from going lukewarm. Or worse. The media needs to be reporting on the littlest items released by LE. Whatever it takes to keep it front page news. IMHO as always.

 

[doublestop]

One could wonder if there was a long-time stalker. It's likely leaves near the Google camera that just make a nice illusion. But I am curious about the stack of coolers(?).

I can't imagine someone dressed in entirely bright yellow/green sneaking up on someone's porch. It almost looks like a bright yellow football uniform, shapewise. I'm sure it's just an illusion.

 

[Mistermagoo]

Has no DNA evidence been processed yet? One would think, DNA might be somewhere on the property especially if it were a randomized not-well-thought-out plot. If DNA has been processed and there are no other links, I believe this was well planned out by professionals. A 13 year old is now missing in Lumberton, NC. Apart from the murders in the Closs case, child trafficking seems to be the most understandable motive imo at this point. If it were a localized plot and the perpetrator lived nearby, they would have been found by now or there would at least be a trail of evidence somewhere. Its far more likely an out-of-town operation, taking children throughout the US could go undetected. Going at that time of night... getting away and as far away as possible. When the parents woke, the perpetrators killed them because that's how serious this whole business is: leave no witnesses. Heartbreaking...

I am pretty sure that DNA was processed. They took the DNA of all the family members to rule them out. This would indicate to me that they have something to match it to.

 

[cluciano63]

Could some as yet unfound decide be “pinging”from the home? I have no clue how advance the business of narrowing down pings is (obviously).

If Denise was found in the bathroom, maybe LE held that back so people wouldn’t be wondering why she would have run to the bathroom rather than go find her daughter...jmo or maybe she was already in there when shooting started.

 

[sumzero]

I'm sure that is what she was counting on... but the article says she was found in a bathroom. I wonder, did she take Jayme in there with her? Maybe she was hoping to launch Jayme out a window? They have evidence from the call and the scene that indicates Jayme was there when her parents were killed and when the call was made. There was a commotion on the call, lots of yelling. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that Jayme was in that bathroom with mom at the time of the 911 call, UNLESS there was more than one perp, and its THEM having a commotion / yelling in the background and not Jayme and her mom screaming. Something on that call made dispatch think possible suicide. Who did they think was suicidal and why?

As I understand it, the dispatcher logged the call as a 911 Hangup. The first officer on the scene, once he saw the feet in the doorway, suggested possible suicide. Of course, that idea was rejected once they discovered multiple rounds and more than one body.

 

[Le Singe]

So now the family is stating that Jayme was left alone at home. She said like when she was waiting for the bus but it sounds like probably other times too. If she was being watched because she was the objects of someone's obsession then it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to figure that out and approach her when she was alone. If there are trees all around the house they could have sat out there and watched through the windows until they decided on the best time. No need to kick in a door and have to face two adults when you could wait until they weren't there. Also, if she had a "secret boyfriend" he would have known that too because she probably would have talked to him while the parents weren't there.

rsbmff

This is sound logic, but an exception would be someone who watched Jayme closely online but did not live the the immediate area so could not physically watch her. Someone along these line would likely have to resort to some sort of blitz attack and it would have to be late at night on a school night to give the highest probability of Jayme being home.

*not say this is what happened just brainstorming.

 

[Scrapper18]

I’ve been thinking a lot about the timing of this crime. Why the middle of the night and a Sunday to boot? I agree with many of you in thinking Jayme was the target. So why not the bus stop, etc.? Perhaps we’re thinking backwards. What if it had nothing to do with ease, availability, etc. Maybe it had everything to do with the perp’s availability. I’m thinking he may work a swing shift, and committing this crime during the day or evening is just not convenient for him. I’m also thinking Monday may be one of his days off. So, he goes to work Sunday. Gets off around 10 or 11, grabs his supplies and makes his big move. He already has Monday off, so he doesn’t have to worry about missing work. He’s not on someone’s radar, because he has kept working, like normal. JMO

 

[JohnTate90210]

I'm sure that is what she was counting on... but the article says she was found in a bathroom. I wonder, did she take Jayme in there with her? Maybe she was hoping to launch Jayme out a window? They have evidence from the call and the scene that indicates Jayme was there when her parents were killed and when the call was made. There was a commotion on the call, lots of yelling. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that Jayme was in that bathroom with mom at the time of the 911 call, UNLESS there was more than one perp, and its THEM having a commotion / yelling in the background and not Jayme and her mom screaming. Something on that call made dispatch think possible suicide. Who did they think was suicidal and why?

My thought has been that the party made for a late day. I think we have reports of Jayme on the phone a bit late. And maybe she wanted to wait up for dad to come home. What if she was taking a late bath when everything happened and Denise ran to the bathroom to protect her? Then you get a killer coming into a bathroom where's there's a naked teen.

 

[Mistermagoo]

If the family had Wi-Fi and router, is it possible the perpetrator(s) had phones that attempted to connect to the router/wireless system? Even if they couldn't actually connect due to a password, I wonder if there is any data trail left behind... to capture the cell signal. Of course, if there is no trail, I believe this was a professional group of perpetrators.

This sticks out to me because, not if they couldn't connect but if they did know the Closs family and had connected before then their devices would have automatically connected again. I'm not sure if that can be traced but good thinking.

 

[JohnTate90210]

Could some as yet unfound decide be “pinging”from the home? I have no clue how advance the business of narrowing down pings is (obviously).

If Denise was found in the bathroom, maybe LE held that back so people wouldn’t be wondering why she would have run to the bathroom rather than go find her daughter...jmo or maybe she was already in there when shooting started.

Some devices can be set to automatically connect to any open wifi connection. I wonder if the home's router logs have been checked. Then again, if any half-sensible killer had the least bit of a plan then their phone was off before they got anywhere near.

 

[Le Singe]

Please know this is not a criticism of your post or anyone elses, but I truly don't buy into the thought that James won a large sum of money and someone followed him home. If that were the case, I truly believe LE would be sharing a heck of a lot more information than they have been. Also, they would warn the public that they might be in danger, if someone was desperate for money to follow folks home from the casino.

I wish it was that simple, for the family's sake, and that Jayme was found already.

This just smells of something personal to me. I am still not ruling out home invasion, but the more I read about this, the less I lean towards that.

^^this

If something LE thought was significant occured at the casino IMO we would have seen them put out stills of video trying to identify people.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Maybe the concealed device they are looking for is the off-chance that the family has trail cameras or other cameras in or around their house that may have captured something.

 

[kkdj]

Does LE have Jim's phone?

 

[sumzero]

^^this

If something LE thought was significant occured at the casino IMO we would have seen them put out stills of video trying to identify people.

Did LE contact casino security to alert them that a gunman was loose in the area? Kind of like when a school goes into lockdown mode? Until LE knows what they're dealing with, they want to protect people where they may be congregated in greater numbers. Who knows? :-\

 

[SandyQLS]

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Not likely for the Closs house. Are they really coolers or just stacked plastic bins? I have needed that many, outside on the patio, full of everything that did not fit in a small house: painting stuff bin, electrical stuff bin for extension cords and Christmas lights, even the extra paper towels and toilet paper, and more. I didn't have a garage, but it seems like every garage here is stuffed with everything other than cars.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Could some as yet unfound decide be “pinging”from the home? I have no clue how advance the business of narrowing down pings is (obviously).

If Denise was found in the bathroom, maybe LE held that back so people wouldn’t be wondering why she would have run to the bathroom rather than go find her daughter...jmo or maybe she was already in there when shooting started.

I think she was tied to the chair (which is why they took it as evidence) and escaped to the bathroom with her phone which had been on the counter nearby. I think the reported time of the first shots is accurate and the perp was there for some time. I think there is perp DNA on the mattress which is why they took that as evidence. When the perp heard her tip over the chair he went and killed her in or on her way to the bathroom, just-as or shortly after she dialed 911.

 

[JenniD]

With Jims family stating that Jayme was alone in the mornings would seem to confirm that DC and Jim both worked day shifts at Jenni-o

 

[JohnTate90210]

Did LE contact casino security to alert them that a gunman was loose in the area? Kind of like when a school goes into lockdown mode? Until LE knows what they're dealing with, they want to protect people where they may be congregated in greater numbers. Who knows? :-\

In case anybody wondered, I just checked and the casino website says they're open 24 hours every day.

 

[Le Singe]

Delete i was wrong had not seen the latest info

 

[Curiousobserver]

Did LE contact casino security to alert them that a gunman was loose in the area? Kind of like when a school goes into lockdown mode? Until LE knows what they're dealing with, they want to protect people where they may be congregated in greater numbers. Who knows? :-\

I think if you sped out of that gravel driveway you would leave tell-tale marks and they might be in the direction of the casino