AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #29

[Rubiconbob]

I've wondered this as well. With a clock supposedly being 7 minutes fast, 12:58 would be 12:51 and much closer to that 4 minute timeline the sheriff talks about.

Not to mention this had to be literally 3 minutes before there sound asleep... so misreading clock doesn’t seem that odd..

There house is close... how do you hear gunshots.. have brief conversation with husband about loudness, bears and aren’t wide awake with 10 plus cop cars ambulance next door..?? You’d think they would see lights 5 min later and go look...??

 

[peanut1200]

Couple new ideas to share MOO, MOO, and more MOO


I’ve noticed the chatter this morning is surrounding munitions. The weekend before the tragedy, there was a gun show in Turtle Lake. I’m sure law enforcement has done their due diligence and investigated purchases made during the show. I don’t think this event has been mentioned previously on the board, so I thought I would raise a flag. Also, the weekend of the tragedy, there was a gun show at Sevenwinds Casino, about an hour north of Barron. Gun shows certainly aren’t unusual for this time of year or this area of the country – just something to ponder.


Online challenge? I remember seeing a “poem” (for lack of a better term) on the boards early into the tragedy – something about a “prank gone wrong”. It was quickly deleted by the mods. I’ve noticed an uptick in the “Momo” challenge news. I’m not going to get into it here. Google it, if you want. Although, Momo has more to do with suicide, rather than inflicting pain on others. I don’t think it is too farfetched to look into the possibility of this being a crime perpetrated by an online meme challenge.


And one last thought – Jayme has several dozen “selfies” that are being shared by family and friends. I’m not going to post them here, because it’s not my place. I must note, however, that a girl who many have considered to have a limited online presence, there seems to be a lot of selfies floating around. These pics are of a much more mature Jayme. I’m not trying to imply anything here. I’m just wondering why these pics aren’t making the rounds as much as the others.


Again, MOO, MOO, and more MOO.

 

[human]

Not to mention this had to be literally 3 minutes before there sound asleep... so misreading clock doesn’t seem that odd..

There house is close... how do you hear gunshots.. have brief conversation with husband about loudness, bears and aren’t wide awake with 10 plus cop cars ambulance next door..?? You’d think they would see lights 5 min later and go look...??

Interesting point re all of the action just a few minutes later.

Doors would be slamming.People yelling, I would imagine. Certainly an ambulance would come with a siren even though the people may appear dead to police?

The gunshots time heard could be explained by actually not remembering the time the next day. But the activity?

Certainly weather conditions, wind, and who knows what else affects when someone can hear something from a neighbor’s home. But this was literally minutes later. Conditions could not change that much

I cannot believe that police vehicles did not come up screaming when more came.

 

[JnRyan]

Not to mention this had to be literally 3 minutes before there sound asleep... so misreading clock doesn’t seem that odd..

There house is close... how do you hear gunshots.. have brief conversation with husband about loudness, bears and aren’t wide awake with 10 plus cop cars ambulance next door..?? You’d think they would see lights 5 min later and go look...??

I don't know their state of alertness at the time other than what the witnesses themselves claim. Had they had a few drinks earlier? Were they really that awake and alert or were they in the early stages of sleep? Did one of them, in a groggy state between awake/alert and sleep, glance at the clock noting what they thought was the time and roll over and fall asleep? They may have only been asleep for a minute or two when LE comes rolling through and not really be knowledgeable of what the time lapse really was? Was the person who glanced at the clock nearsighted and looked at the clock without their glasses?

When questioned by LE, it may seem embarrassing to the witnesses that (1) a crime involving a firearm happened the next house over and (2) they didn't call 911. They may have actually heard the shots, but in reality it may not be exactly as they tell the story.

 

[human]

I lived in the country and heard shots all of the time. I would not even glance at a clock.

I always thought to myself that the country is a great place to do a crime as no one pays any attention to gunshots.

 

[The Dude]

Interesting point re all of the action just a few minutes later.

Doors would be slamming.People yelling, I would imagine. Certainly an ambulance would come with a siren even though the people may appear dead to police?

The gunshots time heard could be explained by actually not remembering the time the next day. But the activity?

Certainly weather conditions, wind, and who knows what else affects when someone can hear something from a neighbor’s home. But this was literally minutes later. Conditions could not change that much

I cannot believe that police vehicles did not come up screaming when more came.

Just to play devil's advocate here - the two houses are separated by 750' of forest. Not exactly a clear line of sight. Additionally, I don't think sirens blaring are a given. The primary function of sirens are a means of traffic control. If there was very little to no traffic at 1 am on a Monday morning, there really isn't any reason for all the ruckus. Add the possibility that these older folks could have had a CPAP or white noise machine, and they wouldn't necessarily have heard anything.

 

[Lillymac]

Who put up the video cams at the home? Did LE absorb that cost and if they did what or who were they expecting? Is that common procedure for LE? Then, why were they taken down after the panty thief was caught, why not leave them up? He couldn't have been the reason because they wouldn't have know he was going to do that. Were they connected to LE, is that why they responded so quickly and caught him in the act? Or did the family do it and if they did, why. It wasn't as if there was a lot of valuable items to be protected.

Good question. Do you know for sure they're gone? I thought it was interesting they were there to begin with and apparently being monitored at all times. We're they expecting someone to return?

 

[Rubiconbob]

Who put up the video cams at the home? Did LE absorb that cost and if they did what or who were they expecting? Is that common procedure for LE? Then, why were they taken down after the panty thief was caught, why not leave them up? He couldn't have been the reason because they wouldn't have know he was going to do that. Were they connected to LE, is that why they responded so quickly and caught him in the act? Or did the family do it and if they did, why. It wasn't as if there was a lot of valuable items to be protected.

It’s like LE telling everyone to pretend a plane crash didn’t happen....

Since y’all know this case pretty well.. on the Closs home cams... can’t help but think of the intruder wrecking the cam set up...
And the dog finding tablet that was hidden.

Was the cam set up to gauge Closs family reaction/conversation... maybe they give police lead in relaxed setting... dunno and don’t know what to make of that.. if it’s criminal in cabin he might want cheap clothes for 6 months for jayme..

Back to the dog and tablet.. please tell me when public was told about the dog and tablet ... it almost appears intruder ruined our tablet retrieval setup so put the tablet story in random k9 promo??? No??

When they say laptop hidden... define hidden.. I’ve got 3 tablets in my bedroom... 1 I can’t find, 1 broken in closet, one locked on YouTube Netflix. If hidden is just in drawer under jaymes clothes... that’s not that hidden..under bed in shoebox under books and recently used... that’s hidden.

 

[Lillymac]

Interesting point re all of the action just a few minutes later.

Doors would be slamming.People yelling, I would imagine. Certainly an ambulance would come with a siren even though the people may appear dead to police?

The gunshots time heard could be explained by actually not remembering the time the next day. But the activity?

Certainly weather conditions, wind, and who knows what else affects when someone can hear something from a neighbor’s home. But this was literally minutes later. Conditions could not change that much

I cannot believe that police vehicles did not come up screaming when more came.

The fact that the neighbors did not hear or see anything has really been an issue with me. So much so, that I dreamed that someone said that after 3:00 a.m. the whole place was dark and deserted. I woke in the night with that thought...and I don't normally dream!

 

[Lillymac]

I lived in the country and heard shots all of the time. I would not even glance at a clock.

I always thought to myself that the country is a great place to do a crime as no one pays any attention to gunshots.

That's true for me...during the day. However middle if the night, I would stay awake a bit to see if there is any activity or cause for alarm.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

This has always bothered me. Maybe Mark Furhman knew someone at the FBI who explained that they feel Denise was the target because of the wounds she received and was later told not to say anything additional about it. Possible perp was obsessed with Jayme and Denise found out and had a confrontation with this person. I believe this person would be a loner, does not talk to many people, maybe in early 20's. I also feel that LE knows who this person is but does not have enough to arrest this person. I also believe the family might know who this person is. LE knew for a long time who killed the Rhoden Family of 8, but it took 2 years to make an arrest.

What, IF it is a woman who targeted Denise, shot James, because he was in the way of something unknown and wanted Jayme for unknown purpose? Maybe, a woman, who had help by a male?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

It’s like LE telling everyone to pretend a plane crash didn’t happen....

Since y’all know this case pretty well.. on the Closs home cams... can’t help but think of the intruder wrecking the cam set up...
And the dog finding tablet that was hidden.

Was the cam set up to gauge Closs family reaction/conversation... maybe they give police lead in relaxed setting... dunno and don’t know what to make of that.. if it’s criminal in cabin he might want cheap clothes for 6 months for jayme..

Back to the dog and tablet.. please tell me when public was told about the dog and tablet ... it almost appears intruder ruined our tablet retrieval setup so put the tablet story in random k9 promo??? No??

When they say laptop hidden... define hidden.. I’ve got 3 tablets in my bedroom... 1 I can’t find, 1 broken in closet, one locked on YouTube Netflix. If hidden is just in drawer under jaymes clothes... that’s not that hidden..under bed in shoebox under books and recently used... that’s hidden.

Who of the home residents had time enough to hide a laptop? Seems, it was hidden most of time. By whom? Who shouldn't have known? What data should have been hidden? Interesting, this ......

 

[Rosiebones]

Good question. Do you know for sure they're gone? I thought it was interesting they were there to begin with and apparently being monitored at all times. We're they expecting someone to return?

If the cams were there when the crime occurred the LE would have benefit of those pictures, but if they weren't there and LE or family had them put up after, then my question is why, why did they think there was benefit to that, what did they expect to happen so long after the crime? Then, why did they take them down when the PT was caught? Why wasn't LE interested anymore? Is this standard procedure by LE anywhere, to put up motion sensor cams at a crime scene?

 

[The Dude]

Good question. Do you know for sure they're gone? I thought it was interesting they were there to begin with and apparently being monitored at all times. We're they expecting someone to return?

This is a very good question. The State DCI set up and monitored the cams 24/7. In addition to that, the panty thief claimed that the patio door was unlocked. Are these things 'standard procedure'? Who was this trap set for?

 

[The Dude]

If the cams were there when the crime occurred the LE would have benefit of those pictures, but if they weren't there and LE or family had them put up after, then my question is why, why did they think there was benefit to that, what did they expect to happen so long after the crime? Then, why did they take them down when the PT was caught? Why wasn't LE interested anymore? Is this standard procedure by LE anywhere, to put up motion sensor cams at a crime scene?

GMTA

It would seem that the panty freak story let the cat out of the bag, so to speak. Nobody is going to step into a trap they know is there.

 

[Glaciersnow]

Barron County sheriff: 'There is a tip out there' about Jayme

 

[peanut1200]

GMTA

It would seem that the panty freak story let the cat out of the bag, so to speak. Nobody is going to step into a trap they know is there.

My thoughts exactly! Also, what if the "panty freak" was sent in by the perp?

 

[Rubiconbob]

GMTA

It would seem that the panty freak story let the cat out of the bag, so to speak. Nobody is going to step into a trap they know is there.

Here was my theory ... and it’s just a crazy theory.. k9 laptop dog is in there within 2/3 days... finds tablet .. they break into tablet and atleast see jayme has messaging apps or games that allow messaging..

They play dumb about this ... perp Or jaymes friend online maybe knows it’s hidden and where...

What I can’t find ... where and when did we first learn of tablet .. it’s like k9 dog story.. was first mention...

Anyone have confirmed tablet story date ?? was it Fitzgerald or just random drop in dog promo??

 

[Wrenny]

I do not think the gun may be special at all. They may merely be able to eliminate because of all of the different weapon ideas people have given here as to handgun, rifle, shotgun, etc. It may not be unusal at all.

It lets them ask questions like, "Where did you put the shotgun?" and the real perp answering "It wasn't a shotgun!"

 

[Wrenny]

Tablet: It was probably an old one, in a box in storage. Don't you have any old outdated electronics in the house?

Cam: It wasn't long after the crime, it was the day of the funeral. Sounds pretty standard to me.

Neighbors: If I hear gunshots I might note it, but wouldn't even glance at the time. That's life NOT in the big city. If I hear sirens nearby I'd wonder what's going on, because that IS unusual here. But if they're more than a block away I might not hear them in the house. The neighbors might have had on a radio/tv, furnace blower, fan, cpap, refrigerator running, washer/dryer, ... these things all mask outside sounds. If I'm outside I'd note them on the highway 1/4 mile away but wouldn't pay much attention unless they turn off the highway. Also they said they were out for the evening. I've never heard anyone ask out where, or if alcohol was involved. The timing might go well with going out for dinner, or to a friend's house, or a couple hours at the casino... any of which would go well with having a couple beers. They're retired aren't they? Sunday night is the same as any other.