AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[photographer4]

Packed VERY full. Ok.... dad comes home from work and finds mom & her boyfriend packing. Dad kills mom, boyfriend kills dad, boyfriend takes off with Jayme. Doesn't account for dad in the doorway though.

Doesn't account for why the door was kicked in or "answered by dad" (loosely quoting police transcript. Very loosely).

 

[IDTater]

Hi everyone,

I've been quietly reading along through all of these posts, trying to come up with my own theories. I tend to lean towards Jayme being targeted since she was taken and not murdered at the scene like her parents. However, I recently read an article about a crime local to me and I'm wondering if the Closs murder/abduction could be similar...

The basics of the local case were that a family (a man, his wife, and the man's elderly mother) awoke to a stranger pounding on the door. They call 911 but before police arrive, the perpetrator gains access to the home. After engaging in a gun fight with police, he sets the home ablaze. The elderly mom and perp died in the fire and the man that lived in the home died shortly after in a hospital due to extensive burns (he happened to be terminally ill with just weeks to live). It is a horrendous crime. LE was only left with speculation since the perp died in the fire but they did find high levels of meth in his system. He was an addict with a lengthy criminal history and, according to reports, highly agitated in the days before the crime. The home he entered happened to be very close to a known drug house so one theory is that he mistakenly entered the wrong house in search of drugs and money.
ACSO: Meth addict set deadly Meridian home fire; deputies cleared

Is it possible that whomever killed the Closs parents and took Jayme mistook the home as a drug house? By the time they encountered Jayme, they realized that they were in the wrong place, a 911 call was being placed and they just freaked, taking Jayme with them with a fate to be determined? Killing two people in the home and then abducting a third doesn't make a lot of sense but not much of what someone high on meth does would make sense to those of us not under the influence.

 

[Cardinal47]

I'm afraid that there are too many roads leading both north and south between the Closs home and the casino for the killer to have traveled. I hope there's a chance that a camera somewhere found something. This is such an awful crime.

I love the tv program See No Evil on Investigation Discovery. It shows how police find everything on video camera's. I predicted a camera would help find Mollie's killer because of that show and the work police are able to do with those video cameras.

 

[margarita25]

Just as we see with failed prior attempted abductions before one that is successful, IF this was a home invasion perhaps there was a failed one earlier in the night somewhere else (not necessarily in Barron) and we don’t know about it. Idk. Grasping at this point.

 

[katydid23]

Interesting. With all the new information the past couple of days, this is very helpful.

I do suspect the intruder(s) had an awareness of the family and a specific timeline. IMO.

One puzzling factor is the dad being found near the front door. It does make me wonder if he stumbled across the crime in progress coming home from his late shift. This could have created a diversion and allowed Jayme or her mom to make the 911 call.

I agree with many here, Jayme was likely the target, but don’t rule out both her mom and her as targets, and dad interrupted. He may have walked up to a kicked in door like the investigators did and got shot. IMO.

I don't think Dad kicked in the door because before he did so, he would have called 911 for back up.

 

[MsBetsy]

Packed VERY full. Ok.... dad comes home from work and finds mom & her boyfriend packing. Dad kills mom, boyfriend kills dad, boyfriend takes off with Jayme. Doesn't account for dad in the doorway though.

Where did this come from?!

 

[Cardinal47]

I don't believe anybody would take a 13 year old girl as an after thought or because they didn't know what to do with her.
Anybody that kills two people has no soul.
Jayme is some madman's victim and hopefully police find her before it's too late.

 

[AuctionGal]

i agree and can only think of this scenario: if it was a terminated employee(s), no one would "miss" him/them. because he/they didn't show up for work no one would think it out of the ordinary since he/they were fired.

I like the way you think! In this scenario, I could see a possible situation of them thinking the parents wouldn't be capable of raising a child because they fired this person and this person feels that is was unjust.

 

[RoiPD86]

A few things just recently crossed my mind. Family events are often full of simmering dispute and things like resentment or anger. I know this from plenty of police responses to such family gatherings. Or in relation to them. Is it possible here that a dispute about Jamey arose in the family? <modsnip - not victim friendly> Would it help explain the yelling on the 911 call. The perpetrators knowledge of the scene. The elapsed time in the residence. Don’t these things hedge towards heavily personal in nature?

Also the Casino was busy over the weekend I’m sure. But wouldn’t Sunday be many Casino regulars? I hope the Casino footage is being reviewed heavily for new faces or strange behavior.

 

[human]

Okay, this is another thought:

The objective was to abduct and keep Jayme and also kill the parents because the parents would be able to figure out who abducted their daughter. In other words, the abductor was known to the parents. So, in order to not get caught, the parents had to be killed (as opposed to killed simply because they were home at the time).

justanothertheorytoconsider, jmo, speculation

That makes sense. Jayme would see she has no one to return to

 

[Wrenny]

ok wow. that definitely does not look like a medical bag, that's a packed suitcase.

was someone coming home from or planning a trip???

Another idea. Bad guy(s) was going to take Jayme. Jammed all her clothes and stuffed animals in a bag, to take with her. Caught mom still alive & making 911 call. Finished off mom, hung up phone, grabbed Jayme and left fast, forgetting the suitcase.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Packed VERY full. Ok.... dad comes home from work and finds mom & her boyfriend packing. Dad kills mom, boyfriend kills dad, boyfriend takes off with Jayme. Doesn't account for dad in the doorway though.

Or killer tried to pack clothing for Jayme and left it behind once he seen she dialed 911. Idk

 

[Deleted member 278]

(Just getting on here today. Sorry to see there isn't any good news.)

 

[RoiPD86]

@Inthedetails. Your thinking fits well with my thinking of family or close friend involvement.

 

[gef the mongoose]

The more adventurous the theorizing, the less I take it seriously.

 

[gitana1]

I think it would be interesting/helpful to have a list of these similar crimes and note who the perps were:

How old were they? How far did they live from the home? Did they have a criminal history? What was their motive(s)? Were they known to the family? Did they have previous contact with the family? Was this single, dual or multiple perps? Did the perp use drugs? Were the victims kept alive and if so for how long? What MO/disposal method did they use? Etc, etc.

I started with Hannah Anderson’s case last night. Perp was 40, known to the family well, had contact with them the day before, lived an hour away. I’m not sure about criminal history as I just begun a cursory study.

I would like to take 10 comparable cases for this data comparison/study. Please feel free to contribute to this any input. Thanks in advance.

I forgot that one!!

That would be great to compile such a list.

It does look like the most brutal home-invasion murders which involve kidnapping a teen girl involve killers who have sexual motives for the crimes.

I can't think of any case like this (in this country), that are as brutal that involve something like retribution, revenge, a family member or other person trying to "save" or "rescue" a child, debt payments, crime involvement, etc.

The kids are just other murder victims in all such cases or left unharmed but in the house - with the exception maybe of trying to rescue or save the child.

But I have never heard of such a case in this country.

Anyone?

 

[RoiPD86]

Yes there is decent reason to think this is more simple and not a well thought Out calculated drawn out plan IMO

 

[margarita25]

Okay, this is another thought:

The objective was to abduct and keep Jayme and also kill the parents because the parents would be able to figure out who abducted their daughter. In other words, the abductor was known to the parents. So, in order to not get caught, the parents had to be killed (as opposed to killed simply because they were home at the time).

justanothertheorytoconsider, jmo, speculation

I was just thinking along these same lines, Inthesetails, that with Jayme being so young unless this was random the perp would likely have to know her parents or her caretaker, or at least have had some contact with them, because where and when would Jayme would ever be alone? School and extracurricular events, but even then her parents and caretaker would likely be at least acquaintances.

Did Jayme ever attend sleepovers I wonder?

 

[Badgerette]

Further to the google street view showing the wrong house...
Could this have simply been a case of wrong house and drug related?

On Wednesday the sheriff said the arrest they made that day was unrelated to this case, but I see one of the neighbors was the person arrested, for drug possession.
It could explain the door being kicked in, and after the killer realized they weren’t at the right address, panicked and took JC out of confusion.
http://barronsheriff.org/bcsheriff/weekly-bookings/

 

[photographer4]

I've been turning this over in my head trying to come up with a scenario that fits what little verified info we have. Someone is fixated on Jayme and has been observing long enough to know that there ware 2 cars in the family and who drives which one. He sees that the Dad's car is missing and assumes the Mom and Jayme are home alone. He brings a gun for intimidation only and has no real intention of using it. It's been said that many don't lock their doors in rural areas so he's able to walk in unimpeded and locks the door behind him. Jayme is in her room. Maybe she's drinking a cold soda. Mom is in the living room watching tv/reading with her cell phone on a table. Perp walks in and points the gun at Mom and says just cooperate and you won't get hurt. Jayme hears the commotion and comes out. He forces them in to the bathroom and secures mom to a chair. While he's doing this the Dad pulls up in the driveway and goes to the front door but it's locked. Mom and Jayme start yelling to him and he kicks in the door. Now the perp, who I think is young, starts to panic and immediately shoots the Dad. The impact of the shot spins him around so it later appears that he was *inside* the door when shot. Mom and Jayme start screaming and he turns his attention to the Mom. Jayme is able to grab her mom's cell phone and dials 911. Mom is screaming at the perp, who has the gun pointed at her "You don't have to do this." Jayme is screaming "we need help." The perps sees Jayme with the phone and knocks it out of her hand and proceeds to shoot the Mom. What was heard on the phone by 911 was "you don't have to do this" followed by "we need help" causing them to think someone was attempting suicide. The perp grabs Jayme and drags her through the woods to a car which he had parked there earlier. He forces her in the trunk and drives to a remote cabin he'd prepared beforehand.

That's the best I can come up with using known facts. I'd be interested in exploring this with all of you.

So dad pulls in behind the perp? How does the perp then escape without Jayme? Where did he park?

 

[bluesneakers]

The more adventurous the theorizing, the less I take it seriously.

Good to know.