GUILTY WI - Taylor Schabusiness, 24, dismembered man’s body, placed head in bucket, Green Bay, 2022 *Graphic*

[arielilane]

The Brown County jury needed less than an hour Thursday to find 25-year-old Taylor Schabusiness didn’t suffer from mental disease or defect when she killed 24-year-old Shad Thyrion in February 2022.

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Green Bay woman wasn't mentally ill when she killed and dismembered a former boyfriend, jury finds

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) — A Green Bay woman wasn't mentally ill when she killed and dismembered a former boyfriend and scattered his body parts at various locations, a jury found Thursday.The same Brow

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Jul 28, 2023 6:49 AM CDT

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) — A Green Bay woman wasn't mentally ill when she killed and dismembered a former boyfriend and scattered his body parts at various locations, a jury found Thursday.

 

[arielilane]

I have not followed from the beginning and have a few questions if anyone may know.

Was her Husband incarcerated when this murder happened?
Were her and Shad "buddies" or has she always been in love with him?
Was she a regular meth user?
Wondering if her Husband will testify?

I'm anxious to see her interview.

Hi @Heaven Leigh - I regret late response but knew I'd be no help with my responses. I've provided my opinions in purple.

Was her Husband incarcerated when this murder happened?
Unsure
Were her and Shad "buddies" or has she always been in love with him?
Friends since middle school
Was she a regular meth user?
It appears so
Wondering if her Husband will testify?
As we now know, no, he will not.

 

[arielilane]

Thank you Jurors for your jury service duty. Well done. moo

https://twitter.com/x/status/1684750462380085248

That’s a wrap in the Taylor Schabusiness trial.

 

[RickshawFan]

She is attempting to explain a highly complex psychiatric condition to a jury who know absolutely nothing about it.

When she testified regarding fitness for trial she spoke much faster.

I think she is making a huge effort for her client so I commend her for that.
Nobody else did.
She is the only one.

I just hope the jury got it.
Girl's life was sheer hell.
Much worse than I knew.

At the outset, I was fascinated by her now I just feel utter compassion.
She never stood a chance.

Auditory hallucinations at that level are terrifying.
She's also received such a mishmash of drugs, prescribed drugs wiythout evidence of correct tapering or assessment/

was like, this doesn't work, whack her off it, on with the next, each with a huge range of serious side effects.. then sudden termination again... and back to the next old fashioned drug..

Doesn't look like there is much expertise in prisons for inmates on psychiatric medications.

That is so very sad.

Dehumanisation.

I feel this way, too. I have been fascinated by this person all along while not really understanding why. I think all the crazy stuff is fake dramatics, and underneath what we have is a creature who has been broken. I never saw her as evil, and don't understand that, either.

I watched a bit of the interrogation, not the whole thing. I didn't see a psychopath there. I saw someone who gets extremely dissociated, most of the time. That's not the same thing as having psychopathic tendencies, and can reflect extreme psychological damage at a young age. On the interrogation, I felt empathy and sorrow.

I don't even really see an adult when I look at this person or hear her speak. She seems like such a child.

 

[RickshawFan]

While pointing to #Schabusiness in court today, the defense forensic psychologist experts said ‘that’s a psychotic person right there…. To me it’s off the scale’ she adds ‘I haven’t seen many like this, very exceptional’

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I thought "psychotic" was a symptom, not a diagnosis?

And, if a young person has spent her life being treated by incompetent and conflicting psychologists (and related), can we wonder that a chair would be thrown at one of them? It was likely drama, but it's also possible the young woman is at the end of her rope.

 

[RickshawFan]

Ok, she's responsible for her actions if her actions are solely drug induced acc to law in that state.
HOWEVER I think it's crazy to ignore her diagnosed mental condition or ignore it as if it never existed because she brought that with her into her killing.

if she gets jail she's unlikely to receive the care she needs because jails are not hospitals.

she needs specialised qualified mental health diagnosis and treatment.

That means a clinical assessment from an actual psychiatrist.

she needs drugs to bring her into stability to give her the experience of balance something she has apparently never had.

She also needs heavy duty psychotherapy once stability has been obtained and maintained for probably a long period of time.

I don't see her entering society for a very long time, if ever.

Stating she had knowledge of wrongdoing because she carved up his body is a bizarre thing, IMO..
if she had run out of there and gone for a long drive for a period of time, then yes...
But to choose to slice him up in an effort to cover up his death is the most macabre action she could have taken and not indicative of sanity or responsibility, it is indicative of severe mental illness.

I am on the same page, too! These aren't black and white issues, and we clearly have a very troubled young person.

 

[RickshawFan]

my thoughts on Taylor are: She's seriously seriously medically mentally ill. But she is not legally insane.

While I acknowledge, this woman has apparently had an awful life, I hope she is locked up and never sees the light of day. Once she is sentenced and the world moves on, I suspect we will hear about her again. She will commit violence in prison. Lots of it. They'll need to watch her like a a hawk. all MOO

I actually think she will kill herself once she is stable and her mind is working clearly.

 

[RickshawFan]

I think LWOP is mandatory, sentencing a formality. An opportunity for victim impact statements....

JMO

IIRC from the Halderson trial, the judge decides on LWOP. And Chandler and TS are about the same age. Both cases involved dismemberment.

If you're bored, now that the TS trial is over, watch the Halderson trial (all on Law and Crime). Even just the pros opening statement is one for the ages. That was the best-run trial I have ever seen, and Wisconsin has some expert experts!

Halderson got LWOP and came from a remarkably unbroken family; overindulged. Compare with Schabusiness.

 

[kittythehare]

I feel this way, too. I have been fascinated by this person all along while not really understanding why. I think all the crazy stuff is fake dramatics, and underneath what we have is a creature who has been broken. I never saw her as evil, and don't understand that, either.

I watched a bit of the interrogation, not the whole thing. I didn't see a psychopath there. I saw someone who gets extremely dissociated, most of the time. That's not the same thing as having psychopathic tendencies, and can reflect extreme psychological damage at a young age. On the interrogation, I felt empathy and sorrow.

I don't even really see an adult when I look at this person or hear her speak. She seems like such a child.

Massive dissociation in evidence...
I don't know where she broke but i suspect it was at a very young age.
It's such a shame she will not in all liklihood receive treatment now at a level that might help her regain the humanity she lost or discarded.. she's have a lifetime of pain and grief to catch up with which could overwhelm a much stronger psyche.
she is dangerous because if it.
She won't even know when she will strike again but I'm guessing she invariably will. Even if it is herself she strikes. possibly fatally

She's a human.
25.
No realisation.
No insight.
No evidence of the finer emotions, all blocked and choked down in her.

 

[arielilane]

When you’ve been captivated by true crime as I am it’s only natural to have a few or more killers you may connect with or I shall say feel compassion for. Hollywood glamorized Bonnie and Clyde so well I sort of idolized them. For me I could feel compassion and empathy for Taylor. Yes, sorrow, too. A lot of sorrow. We lose as a society when others don’t succeed.

On a certain level could relate to her, and I probably need to let go of thinking she is evil. The Medical Examiner’s testimony quite powerful. Drugs can mess you up bad and with untreated mental health issues will result in destruction.

It’s a known fact that individuals who are in need of treatment often do not seek help and those that do seek help will not complete treatment plan. It sounds as if Taylor was not making the right chooses in life for herself and choosing drugs over treatment for mental health. Why? We will never know. Drugs usually win over family?

Now that we know some family history, particularly about her father, makes you wonder about some things that I will not post here. In addition, thought the “schabusiness” name creative and if these people had it together could have really made a difference but their choices put a halt on any positivity, at least for Taylor.

Speculation. Moo. Amateur opinion.

 

[RickshawFan]

No evidence of the finer emotions, all blocked and choked down in her.

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I did notice her face and hand signals when her father was brought in, though. I saw delight at seeing daddy and a child-like wish to connect every which way possible (she uses hands and facial expressions). So, I can't agree that the feelings are all blocked.

 

[kittythehare]

When you’ve been captivated by true crime as I am it’s only natural to have a few or more killers you may connect with or I shall say feel compassion for. Hollywood glamorized Bonnie and Clyde so well I sort of idolized them. For me I could feel compassion and empathy for Taylor. Yes, sorrow, too. A lot of sorrow. We lose as a society when others don’t succeed.

On a certain level could relate to her, and I probably need to let go of thinking she is evil. The Medical Examiner’s testimony quite powerful. Drugs can mess you up bad and with untreated mental health issues will result in destruction.

It’s a known fact that individuals who are in need of treatment often do not seek help and those that do seek help will not complete treatment plan. It sounds as if Taylor was not making the right chooses in life for herself and choosing drugs over treatment for mental health. Why? We will never know. Drugs usually win over family?

Now that we know some family history, particularly about her father, makes you wonder about some things that I will not post here. In addition, thought the “schabusiness” name creative and if these people had it together could have really made a difference but their choices put a halt on any positivity, at least for Taylor.

Speculation. Moo. Amateur opinion.

yeah.
exactly.
disturbed childhood, diagnosed with adhd..

I think it's a myth that all people have choices.
they simply do not.
A choice demands a level playing field, I doubt she ever got that.
her addiction is the least of her problems, addiction can be treated.
It's her underlying broken psyche that concerns me.

Addicts medicate trauma/
If the trauma goes untreated its a catch 22.

treat the trauma first..

It's also the most natural thing in the world for an addict to reach for whatever painkiller is available because they are in real pain, psychic, mental, psychological and emotional.
(have done a lot of work in this are over the years so my views are possibly challenging for others)
The death penalty would have been kinder in my view and I consider it to be barbaric, in most though not all cases.

 

[kittythehare]

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I did notice her face and hand signals when her father was brought in, though. I saw delight at seeing daddy and a child-like wish to connect every which way possible (she uses hands and facial expressions). So, I can't agree that the feelings are all blocked.

That is true, I saw it too, she was excited, it was the first sign of animation I saw in her.

 

[RickshawFan]

That is true, I saw it too, she was excited, it was the first sign of animation I saw in her.

Is her father getting out of prison? Or is he LWOP? She might never lay eyes on him again?

 

[kittythehare]

Is her father getting out of prison? Or is he LWOP? She might never lay eyes on him again?

I think he got 12 years.. relatively recently.. she'll get lwop unless someone talks to judge in interim, unlikely.

I don't see bOP wheeling them in and out of each other's prisons for visits..
Poignant.

 

[vls12345]

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I did notice her face and hand signals when her father was brought in, though. I saw delight at seeing daddy and a child-like wish to connect every which way possible (she uses hands and facial expressions). So, I can't agree that the feelings are all blocked.

I really only read threads here and didn't follow the interviews and trial in detail. So my comments may be completely off base. But what came to mind re: her dad being a prisoner....

What traumas did she suffer as a child?
Was her dad a savior or the opposite (or something in between) to her in her childhood?
How did his incarceration affect her?
Could she have done this horrible murder as a way to either "one-up" her dad (get back at him or someone else in some twisted way) or as a way to "live up" to him/follow in his footsteps (be convicted and jailed) in an effort to mimic or be close (not physically since they would be jailed in different locations but more of an emotional tie) to her dad?

Complete musing on my part. MOO.

 

[Canadianmom2three]

Hi All,

The past few days I've been busy listening to the trial while I was working and didn't keep caught up on this thread. I am only on page 39 but I wanted to add it my thoughts and opinions which are likely to not be the most popular ones I've noticed so far - LOL I'm a super empathic person I find, usually able to see things from 6 different angles LOL I feel a tremendous amount of sadness for the victim’s family, this situation is a lose/lose situation.

IMO - For one, the doctor the defense had testify was just .... less professional and sloppy, especially in comparison to the doctors the State had. They really should have found someone who came across more professional and less all over the place.

Also, maybe I just don't understand the law to the T, but after listening I'm confused how she can be found to NOT have a mental disease or condition? From what I heard said by all doctors is that it is really hard to tease out what could be Meth related and what could be a really mental disease. So how does that prove it wasn't a mental illness exasperated by the Meth use? Also, she has had mental illness issues stemming back to before Meth use.

From personal experience with family members, Mental illnesses and diseases can be misdiagnosed and can be quite complex if there are multiple things going on. For instance, my family member was diagnosed with depression, then it changed to depression and an anxiety disorder, then as it got worse it changed to Major Depressive Disorder and Anxiety, then a few years later he was diagnosed with Cluster C personality disorders, with major depressive disorder, and generalized anxiety disorder.

Anyway, I also noticed when her father took the stand, he stated that he felt that much of the behavior he was seeing when she was younger were 'normal' issues. I would say that in his experience and opinion it may have seemed normal, BUT IMHO if you are brought up in a dysfunctional environment a lot of it will seem 'normal' to you, but it very well could be traumatic and scaring on a person.

I don't know what exactly I wanted to see from this trial, or if what I was hoping for could even be so. I don't think she should be allowed to go free, but I do think she deserves to have mental health care and that her mental illnesses should be somehow validated and taken somewhat into consideration. Maybe there is just not any other option in the current justice system. My personal feeling is that she didn't set out to kill him and didn't really have any motive. I think she got carried away in sexual desire or pulled into the moment and was not thinking about the implications and then after the fact made things even worse with her decision to dismember him to try to cover it up. I also would think that she did stuff to him AFTER he was diseased really would point to a mental disease or illness. But maybe my definition of Mental Illness or disease is different than the court?

Anyways, sorry for the super long post - I got really into this case and wanted to share my thoughts and opinions.

All MOO of course.

 

[Canadianmom2three]

She didn't either.

But in fairness he got the case very very late.
having said that he should have lined up several prominent psychiatrists to assess her and opine.
he should have presented her life circumstances to the jury as lead in for her mental illnesses..
it makes no sense to park her condition for the duration of her crime.
it accompanied her and was unmedicated.

To take meth is an insane act in itself.
to take it in the quantities in which she took it is highly dangerous and i have no idea how she was physically able to process that quantity.

Poorly presented defense, prosecution acc to law do not need to prove sanity, yet they went all out.

To consider chopping up his body to be the act of a sane person is insanity in itself.

if she was thinking straight, meth aside, she could have called for help and explained it was a sex game gone wrong, which is all it probably was..

She could have left town, hidden somewhere, she had lots of saner options than cutting her friend to pieces.

She made an insane choice, not a sane one.

What had she planned on saying when they came knocking , looking for him?
Well, his head and penis are here, his legs are over there..??

Meth can and does bring about this type of pathological violence and madness.
but add meth to an already untreated psychopathology and it's a dumpster fire.

When I compare this case to the likes of Leticia who received every possible delay, benefit and psychiatric evaluation thus delaying her trial for years it seems very unfair..

Funny thing is that I don't have the faintest idea whether she is in any way invested in any particular outcome herself.

I found the court process to be unpleasant, unnecessarily cruel disrespectful of mentally ill people.

Just wanted to add that I have been agreeing with most of your posts on this thread, we seem to think along the same lines. MOO

 

[kittythehare]

Just wanted to add that I have been agreeing with most of your posts on this thread, we seem to think along the same lines. MOO

Thank you.
It's been a tad lonely.

 

[Emilie D]

When you’ve been captivated by true crime as I am it’s only natural to have a few or more killers you may connect with or I shall say feel compassion for. Hollywood glamorized Bonnie and Clyde so well I sort of idolized them. For me I could feel compassion and empathy for Taylor. Yes, sorrow, too. A lot of sorrow. We lose as a society when others don’t succeed.

On a certain level could relate to her, and I probably need to let go of thinking she is evil. The Medical Examiner’s testimony quite powerful. Drugs can mess you up bad and with untreated mental health issues will result in destruction.

It’s a known fact that individuals who are in need of treatment often do not seek help and those that do seek help will not complete treatment plan. It sounds as if Taylor was not making the right chooses in life for herself and choosing drugs over treatment for mental health. Why? We will never know. Drugs usually win over family?

Now that we know some family history, particularly about her father, makes you wonder about some things that I will not post here. In addition, thought the “schabusiness” name creative and if these people had it together could have really made a difference but their choices put a halt on any positivity, at least for Taylor.

Speculation. Moo. Amateur opinion.

I am speculating the same things you are...I think she wasn't ever given a chance. The amount of trauma she's been through is just unbearable. There are a lot of "Ifs" in this case.

If she had gotten help sooner
If she had been diagnosed correctly
If she had found a medication that worked and actually taken it
If she had a proper mental evaluation...

She might have been able to thrive and be happy. But most of all...Shad might be alive today. I might have been hard on Taylor during the trial but that is because I feel like there is more wrong with her than the mental illness she's been diagnosed with and her drug abuse but that's just my opinion. It's hard not to be sickened by the individual who committed an extremely sick and cruel crime. To me, there is no excuse for committing a murder of this kind.

MOO