WV - NEAL FALLS, suspected SK - LE seeking link to murders in IL, NV and OR

[1doctor]

Full disclosure: I'm a Hoosier, and that's the connection that got my attention in the first place.

Full disclosure: I'm a Kentuckian and our basketball is better

It is pretty easy to get a handgun permit in Indiana. You really don't need much more than an address and be able to pass a background check (which NF clearly could). Interestingly, we do have a non-resident permit, which is more expensive, but I don't think it would show little old Butler, Indiana, as the address if he didn't use an actual address there.

The closes gambling establishment is the "racino" in Anderson, but that's still pretty far away from Butler.

Looking at the map, one way the Butler connection could become more meaningful is if there's a link to Detroit. Given the patterns he would have to drive between the established cities, Butler only makes sense if he's going up I-69 (yes, that's a real highway) to Detroit.

ETA:
Or Toledo. Or Cleveland.

Yeah, when I first read "Butler" I thought it was strange because it's so far north in Indiana, it seems to be the furthest Northern point associated with NF (on this side of America, at least). This is what makes me think that the permit was only for a guard-card for a job he was possibly applying for. It seems strange that he would live on the western side of America, spend on year on this side of America (while holding residency in Henderson) and then go back to the west.

 

[trexian]

Full disclosure: I'm a Kentuckian and our basketball is better

For the amounts your players are paid in college (for that one year), it should be!

Yeah, when I first read "Butler" I thought it was strange because it's so far north in Indiana, it seems to be the furthest Northern point associated with NF (on this side of America, at least). This is what makes me think that the permit was only for a guard-card for a job he was possibly applying for. It seems strange that he would live on the western side of America, spend on year on this side of America (while holding residency in Henderson) and then go back to the west.

I'm also of the unverified, totally speculative opinion that he has family members there and that he simply used their address. Or perhaps a friend.

Or, even more speculatively, a running pick-up game on a hayloft hoops court.

 

[1doctor]

I'm also of the unverified, totally speculative opinion that he has family members there and that he simply used their address. Or perhaps a friend.

If he has a family member there, it isn't an immediate family member, or not that I can tell anyway. I spent 2 days of research on just his family alone and found 0 connections to Indiana or even anywhere west of Kansas. However, that's not to say he doesn't have friends out there, though!

Or, even more speculatively, a running pick-up game on a hayloft hoops court.

Hell, maybe he wanted some real competition and that's why he came into Kentucky :biggrin:

 

[trexian]

If he has a family member there, it isn't an immediate family member, or not that I can tell anyway. I spent 2 days of research on just his family alone and found 0 connections to Indiana or even anywhere west of Kansas. However, that's not to say he doesn't have friends out there, though!




Hell, maybe he wanted some real competition and that's why he came into Kentucky [emoji3]

Haha

So is Kansas east or west of California, Kentuckian?

Seriously, though, did this guy have friends? Online gamer? Doesn't seem to have any social presence at all.

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[nerosleuth]

Are these cases too far off beaten path to be connected? 2.5 hours from charleston.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ate-Jones-31-Knott-County-May-June-2015/page4

I wouldn't consider the 2.5 hours drive from Charleston to be off the beaten path. There are two ways to reach Charleston, West Virginia from Knott County, Kentucky.

The first route is going east on KY 80, then going north on U.S. 23 and going east on I-64 at Ashland to reach Charleston.

The second route is going east on KY 80, then going south on U.S. 23 to Pikeville, and then going north on U.S. 119 at Pikeville to reach Charleston.

 

[Barbie54]

neurosleuth, there is also a casino (Scioto Downs) on Rt. 23 about 30 minutes north of Chillicothe, Ohio.

 

[1doctor]

Haha

So is Kansas east or west of California, Kentuckian?

Seriously, though, did this guy have friends? Online gamer? Doesn't seem to have any social presence at all.

Haha, whoops, Kentucky education shines through!


I've been looking for a NF online presence. I've found 2 email addresses for him. One is the oregonpines@msn.com that I posted on page one. Doing a bit more of research I won't disclose, I found that Neal Falls also has a yahoo email address, first two letters being "ry" in it. I'm not sure what the email address is but I think it may be an alias like "ryan" or something. I can't think of too many words that begin with "ry"

He also has, at least at one point, had a facebook account with his family attached to it, as his sister Joanna reports. She also alleges that he deleted all his family, including her, off facebook after his mother died. I think she may be slightly confused, I don't think he actually deleted her or anything off facebook, but deleted his own facebook (On facebook, as some of you may be aware, blocking someone and deleting your own profile show the same effects from the user side).



Here's some more absolute facts, though. NF needed internet connectivity, of course. He probably used open wifi spots if he was living out of his car. That means he needs either a cell phone or a laptop. He obviously has a cell phone, since he has a list of other phone numbers on him.

Now, he needs directions to the house in WV. The rest of this will be speculation but it's speculative in the fact that it's the most likely scenario. Neal Falls has GPS access on his phone, and utilized either google maps or whatever iphones use. I think if NF went to a library to print out directions via mapquest, then we or LE would know by now, as surely some local libraries have been questioned.

Now, this is from a google phone standpoint, simply because I don't know how iphone's work. When you utilize Maps on an android phone, it stores the past locations you've put in your phone. Has law enforcement went through his phone and checked the recent places NF has put in his GPS? He obviously wasn't from West Virginia, and he needed directions to "Heathers" house one way or another. Where did he get the directions from and where are they directions? They were either written or on GPS. I think finding out how he got the directions will possibly lead us to other potential victims, should there be any.

 

[nerosleuth]

WYMT-TV from Hazard, Kentucky is reporting this afternoon that authorities are looking at Neal Falls in the following states: Nevada, Illinois, Kentucky, Ohio, New York, Texas, Oregon and California. Authorities in those states are comparing similar cases, some involving dead or missing prostitutes.

Authorities in at least 20 states had stopped Falls and checked his license plate or Social Security number, but he has no history of major crimes.


http://www.wkyt.com/wymt/home/headl...ns-possible-serial-killer-ties-320183421.html

 

[1doctor]

I found the Butler, IN address linked to Neal Falls. It's a duplex.


If someone would like it, PM me for the info. I'm going to investigate it further to see what I find.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Great stuff, especially the map!

Interesting that we are still learning about the contents of the trunk, specifically the plastic tub. I don't recall seeing that before.

About the 4 handcuffs, without being too graphic, if someone wanted to fully restrain someone in a certain position, they might use 4 restraints. Think of the old torture 'draw and quarter.'

The thing about that, though, is that it takes some room, and suggests holding the victim in one location for awhile. How did this guy know they wouldn't be interrupted? Or didn't he care?

I think the idea about the near-victim helping herself to some immediate financial recompense for the experience is fascinating. And even defensible. But, I hope she confesses pretty quickly, because the investigators will need that info.

I read in one article about a former landlord that he had a firearm collection at one time. Yet, he was going with just one pistol. I'm not totally sure the import of that, but it still seems significant. Did he sell all but one to finance his lifestyle? Did he give them to family to hold on to? Or are they at his home base?

If he's a security type guy, he's probably into guns and unlikely to just get rid of them.

The (probable?) dad's obit lists NF as living in KS, and I think another brother living in San Diego. Wasn't one of the post it note numbers a San Diego area code?

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Picking up on your comments about where the rest of the guns went, that made me think of Israel Keyes and his buried "kill-kits" in which, if I recall correctly, he also stashed guns. I said earlier he could have had his cash/credit cards/ID stashed or buried somewhere to retrieve later, but he could also have other weapons stashed in various places.

 

[nerosleuth]

It seems to me that over the years there have been a number of women that have disappeared from the various tri state areas along the Ohio River Valley.

What I’m trying to do here is list the disappearances of women that are still missing along the Ohio River Valley. I’m not trying to pin any unsolved disappearances or murders of missing women along the Ohio River Valley.

Here are the women that have disappeared from the tri state areas along the Ohio River Valley that I am aware of.

Ashland, Kentucky-Portsmouth, Ohio-Huntington, West Virginia tri state area


Janet Jolene Brown Stephens, 25, Ashland, Kentucky October 14, 2009


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Jolene-Brown-Stephens-25-Ashland-14-Oct-2009


Megan Lancaster, 25, Scioto County, Ohio April 3, 2013


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-25-Scioto-County-3-April-2013-extreme-danger


Melissa J. Blevins, 30, Portsmouth, Ohio February 7, 2010


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Portsmouth-Ohio-7-February-2010-Namus-MP-9645


Cincinnati, Ohio tri state area


Jade Humble, 22, Cincinnati, Ohio December 5, 2014


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?269303-OH-Jade-Humble-22-Cincinnati-5-December-2014


Katelyn Markham disappeared on August 14, 2011 from her condo in Fairfield, Ohio.

Katelyn Markham’s skeletal remains were found in a wooded area 25 miles west of Fairfield, Ohio in Cedar Grove, Indiana on April 7, 2013.


Katelyn Markham, 22, Fairfield, Ohio August 14, 2011


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?147352-OH-Katelyn-Markham-22-Fairfield-14-Aug-2011-1


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Katelyn-Markham-22-Fairfield-14-August-2011-5


http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news...es-finding-Katelyn-Markham-s-remains/19711370


Paige Johnson, 17, Florence, Kentucky September 23, 2010


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?116134-KY-Paige-Johnson-17-Florence-23-Sept-2010


https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9539/0/


Even though Erica Lee Fraysure disappeared almost 13 years prior to the disappearance of Paige Johnson, both girls were the same age when they disappeared.

Here is the info concerning Erica Lee Fraysure’s disappearance.


Erica Lee Fraysure, 17, Brooksville, Kentucky October 21, 1997


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?53627-KY-Erica-Fraysure-17-Brooksville-21-Oct-1997


http://doenetwork.org/cases/1894dfky.html


http://www.kentuckystatepolice.org/posts/Post6_Missing_Person/Post6_mp_erica_lee_fraysure.html


http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/searching-for-erica-fraysure

 

[nerosleuth]

Here are the women that have disappeared along the mountains of eastern Kentucky that I am aware of.


Natasha Fugate Jones, 31, Knott County, Kentucky May/June 2015


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ha-Fugate-Jones-31-Knott-County-May-June-2015


Diana Roberts Perry County, Kentucky August 4, 2013


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Y-Diana-Roberts-31-Perry-County-4-August-2013


Crystal Gayle Branham Hall, 24, Pikeville, Kentucky March 1, 2009


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ayle-Hall-(Branham)-24-Pikeville-1-March-2009


I don’t believe Nancy Ann Lockard’s disappearance is connected in any way with the other women that have disappeared from eastern Kentucky, but here is the info concerning her disappearance.


Nancy Ann Lockard, 33, Pike County, Kentucky June 24, 2009


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Nancy-Ann-Lockard-33-Pike-County-24-June-2009

 

[HeatherS1983]

I've been doing research on the Falls case and thought I would share some of the interesting bits of information I've stumbled across thus far.

I ran a pipl search on Falls using the email oregonpines@msn.com. His information that came back connected him to a CJF through his mother M. CJF has lived in and around the Cincinnati area. If he was close to this woman then he may have gone to visit her and would explain why he was in Ohio, if he was indeed connected to the missing women in the Chilicothe area. A private detective is also seeking to link the missing women in Chilicothe to a rash of murders and disappearances in the Cincinnati area. Here's the link. The man needs a web designer, stat, but there's some pretty interesting information listed there
https://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/...murdered-from-chillicothe-to-cincinnati-ohio/

Another interesting thing I came across is when I ran Falls' email address through another free people search it came back to someone named "BF" but listed his address as Henderson, NV. This could possibly mean that Falls had used an alias.

 

[TedMac]

I've been doing research on the Falls case and thought I would share some of the interesting bits of information I've stumbled across thus far.

I ran a pipl search on Falls using the email oregonpines@msn.com. His information that came back connected him to a CJF through his mother M. CJF has lived in and around the Cincinnati area. If he was close to this woman then he may have gone to visit her and would explain why he was in Ohio, if he was indeed connected to the missing women in the Chilicothe area. A private detective is also seeking to link the missing women in Chilicothe to a rash of murders and disappearances in the Cincinnati area. Here's the link. The man needs a web designer, stat, but there's some pretty interesting information listed there
https://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/...murdered-from-chillicothe-to-cincinnati-ohio/

Another interesting thing I came across is when I ran Falls' email address through another free people search it came back to someone named "BF" but listed his address as Henderson, NV. This could possibly mean that Falls had used an alias.

Good work & welcome to Websleuths!!! :welcome3:

 

[trexian]

I found the Butler, IN address linked to Neal Falls. It's a duplex.

Just a bit more info on this, not really relevant to NF specifically. The duplexes on that cul-de-sac are all on one parcel, zoned as family apartments. It is possible he was renting the entire side, or just a room.

[Edit - assuming he actually lived there, which I'm still not sure of.]

What I’m trying to do here is list the disappearances of women that are still missing along the Ohio River Valley.

Just a thought to add to this - I think it makes sense to also focus on cities/towns along the major highways going to/from the confirmed addresses.

 

[trexian]

Another interesting thing I came across is when I ran Falls' email address through another free people search it came back to someone named "BF" but listed his address as Henderson, NV. This could possibly mean that Falls had used an alias.

Brief followup to that point.

That 979 Address is shown in the Clark County, NV, assessor's office as having been owned by basically 2 owners since 1998 - neither of which are BF. So, whoever that is appears to have rented from them. (The most recent sale was in 2003.)

There is a BF (same name) who has legal records in Vanderburgh County, Indiana (Evansville), back in the 1990s. That is about as opposite (SW Indiana) as you can get in the state from Butler (NE Indiana).

ETA:
There's an Examiner (yea, I know) page that includes a bit more info on the BJ Ross connection, which still seems tenuous. But, apparently there are "flushthejohn" and "exposingjohns" profiles for someone of that name who uses a 541 area code (Oregon). Same screenshot in both, and it appears that he requests an overnight tryst.

Assuming that's part of the plan, he could ask the young woman to block off a significant amount of time. For the service provider, that seems like a risky business plan - serious opportunity cost if the money isn't there. But for a guy like NF, it means that the provider at least tried to minimize any interruptions for awhile.

Quite the coincidence, if "BJ Ross" is not linked to NF.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

https://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/...oregon-before-he-was-killed-in-west-virginia/

Serial Killer Neal Falls, DOB 9/24/1969, worked as a security guard in Springfield OR, Eugene OR, Henderson NV, and Butler IN where he had a pistol permit, his victims were young pretty blonde females.

Has it been confirmed that NMF (the blog says his middle name is Martin) has worked as a security guard in all of these locations? Thanks.

 

[trexian]

Serial Killer Neal Falls, DOB 9/24/1969, worked as a security guard in Springfield OR, Eugene OR, Henderson NV, and Butler IN where he had a pistol permit, his victims were young pretty blonde females.

Has it been confirmed that NMF (the blog says his middle name is Martin) has worked as a security guard in all of these locations? Thanks.

I did find someplace (might have been the Nevada traffic ticket) that his middle name was Martin.

I have not seen any confirmation that he worked anywhere other than in Las Vegas area as a security guard.

IMHO, that gentleman on that site has a serious case of confirmation bias. He latched onto this theory and is looking for every single possible confirmation that he is right, even if it is marginal.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I did find someplace (might have been the Nevada traffic ticket) that his middle name was Martin.

I have not seen any confirmation that he worked anywhere other than in Las Vegas area as a security guard.

IMHO, that gentleman on that site has a serious case of confirmation bias. He latched onto this theory and is looking for every single possible confirmation that he is right, even if it is marginal.

Thanks trexian. I couldn't remember anything in MSM verifying this. It would be nice if he backed up his information with a link or facts he's gathered which leads him to his theories. At least he is keeping these women's cases in the public eye.

Thanks for sharing all the research you are doing!

 

[trexian]

Thanks trexian. I couldn't remember anything in MSM verifying this. It would be nice if he backed up his information with a link or facts he's gathered which leads him to his theories. At least he is keeping these women's cases in the public eye.

Thanks for sharing all the research you are doing!

No problem, of course. I hope the death of NMF will result in closure for families who have suffered terrible tragedies.

But, I feel compelled to point out that the desired result may not come to fruition. DNA, for instance, seems like a remote possibility of a match. Think of it this way - let's assume DNA is available in most of these missing person cases. If they already had DNA that matched across cases, even if the donor were unknown, they could still say that the cases were linked. That way, finding a single donor could connect several cases.

Yet, that does not appear to be the case. So, either the cases do not have donor DNA, or there is donor DNA, but not from a single donor. Even if NMF's DNA matches 1 or 2 cases, it seems unlikely that it would match very many. Otherwise, they'd already be saying those cases are all linked.

(I feel like I'm not expressing that thought as clearly as I'm thinking it. Apologies if that's confusing.)

If that's the situation, it may be a matter of linking cases by an MO that is ubiquitous. If that's the case, then some cases will be attributed to NMF that probably shouldn't, or families never get closure and just have another cause to wonder. Either way, that sucks.

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer.

(Apologies to any Debbies in the crowd.)