Laura_Bean
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OMG! I just realized something. BROTHER FRANKIE, I love Brother Frankie. And this was a Christian school? Brother frankie could that be a priest?!
Hi Laura, so the lady never knew abt a school code?Welp called and the lady I spoke with was polite enough, but firm that those children never went there. She was also firm with me and told me that there was never a brother frankie working there. She also had heard of the Sodder children, and said they burned up. I told her that the family never believed that and that there is still family searching. She said that if the kids were stolen they would not have been bought to the town she lives in. Although she kept going back and forth. First saying the Sodder's didn't anywhere near here, and than saying when I countered that, that the kids would not be stolen to be bought up twenty minutes away from where the Sodder's lived. It was a pretty strange conversation. Pretty odd if you ask me. She was very clear and concise and quick to get off the phone. She also said she had no idea what a "school code" was, and claimed several times that the school does not have that code. ???????? Very strange and she absolutly refused to let me talk to someone else. Either she is very strict in her beliefs that the kids died that night, or she was lying. I'm not sure which.
well I'm convinced of that...In this kidnapping also I see that the Sodders was alone in the children search... maybe I missed some postings, but seeming to me that the Ciprianos no helped, or not helped much the Sodder in the children research... or I'm wrong? also, subtle.... the "omertà" in the story: the bad silence..
It is right to think that the children's grandparents, the children's uncles/auntes had not a primary role in the research? if yes, why?? Or I'm wrong??
Also the pictures of Maurice Sodder sent from Kentucky... why the children when adult no contacted the parents? also this is "omertà": bad silence...
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64776&page=14
Welp called and the lady I spoke with was polite enough, but firm that those children never went there. She was also firm with me and told me that there was never a brother frankie working there. She also had heard of the Sodder children, and said they burned up. I told her that the family never believed that and that there is still family searching. She said that if the kids were stolen they would not have been bought to the town she lives in. Although she kept going back and forth. First saying the Sodder's didn't anywhere near here, and than saying when I countered that, that the kids would not be stolen to be bought up twenty minutes away from where the Sodder's lived. It was a pretty strange conversation. Pretty odd if you ask me. She was very clear and concise and quick to get off the phone. She also said she had no idea what a "school code" was, and claimed several times that the school does not have that code. ???????? Very strange and she absolutly refused to let me talk to someone else. Either she is very strict in her beliefs that the kids died that night, or she was lying. I'm not sure which.
Okay wait. This could be a thought... What if... Okay given Raf's ideas, it could be possible that the Cipriani's had something to do with all of this.
Let's say that the Cipriani's were involved with some sort of a crime family thing in Florida. Now he has a daughter the same name was Martha Lee. I really tend to believe this is the key to everything the names being the same. Because it is a big coincidence.
What if Mr. Cipriani was threatened by someone in the mob? If they demanded his children, could he have agreed and somehow substituted the five Sodder children for his own? Maybe paid off some people in town to help him and make it look as though those children died in the fire?
It's just a thought, and a little far fetched, but not totally off the radar. What if he used his sister's kids to replace his own, and than by the time the mob figured out what he had done, (if they ever found out), what are they going to do? Bring back the kids? No. Of course not. Take his kids too? Welp that would look a little odd, first the Sodder's lose their kids to a fire where no bones are found and than bam! someone in their family loses their five kids also? That would make someone take notice and figure out something wasnt right. Just a thought.
Hello all -
Just wanted to stop in and let you know that I continue to print your postings for my mom. She wants me to let you know that, although she has not had any recent input, she has been reading the current and past posts and trying to make some connections. She appreciates your ideas and work and hopes that you will continue to bring new thoughts to the board. It seems that things are starting to click...
Respectively snipped. Raf, thank you for your insights and making us understand better Italian tradition.I wish to say a my crazy idea that I have abt Sodder case...
well I'm convinced of that...
I believe that when the fire was... the children was not in the home; they desappeared already...
well .... it is possible that some kidnapper was a soldier of WWII... of local area? around 1945 ending, it was started the reentry of US troops ....
My crazy idea:
when the fire was... the children was not in the home; they was desappeared already.... but in kidnapping case, it was possible to make a kidnapping in absolute silence, no rumors.... totally no rumors?? the phone line cuting it is possible that no making rumor... the vehicles failing... it is possible make it, without rumors by a expert...
but it is possible that a children kidnapped no cry? yes it is possible... but 5 children... it could be no possible... needing many kidnappers, very experts.. but also so the kidnappers having not the certainty that some child cry.. Jennie and George could feel.... but it was possible to have the certainty that nobody children cry only if the children was anesthetized or if they knew, that someone in the night, would have taken them....
and why, after so much years, nobody Sodder children contacted the parents??? they was died not in the fire...
raf
Yes... it is my idea also... I wrote abt that....
Instead I believe that was impossible for kidnappers abducting 5 children with force... because until they break open the window and until they was in the home, the children having the time of to cry... and if the kidnapping was made with force, it is impossible that was made by 1 or 2 kidnappers.... needing almost more person for 5 children abduction ...
Maurice and Louis however was teen-ager and they could fight, scream... and more kidnappers near home making also some rumor... they arrived by car... the children was put in in some car also, maybe 2 cars ... so much risk and dangerousness for the kidnappers.... it is what any kidnapper wish to avoid..... also Jennie and George could hearing the cars on the road..... so the kidnappers must leave the cars no just Sodder home, but they leave the cars with a little but helpful distance from Sodder home... and that was not a risk if they was sure that the children was trusted...
so no probable, because was much unforeseen events....
It are another possibility: the boring gas... the children sleeping, the kidnappers take load, pass from the window, and they go with children... but also this hypothesis having much risk, because sure they had almost vehicle... and to go with sleeping children well it is no easy.... and in any case, if so, almost some year after, they could contact the parents, because they was no infant, they knew very well who was the right family....
so this hypothesis... no probable also....
instead, my first hypothesis is that the children following the kidnapper or kidnappers.... docilely... quitely... as making a joke... they knew the kidnapper/s... but they knew not that was a kidnapping....
for that all was made in silence, for that Jennie and George hearing nothing...
when ""A rubber ball bouncing on the roof" the children was not at home... they was in the kidnapper's car.... and the last man put into home the liver, the vertebra, and hurled the "rubber ball " ... and sooner he running back until the car...
the children knew very well the kidnapper/s; they had trust in the kidnappers also.... .... they exit from the window and catch up the vehicle/vehicles....
after rubber ball, and first fire, then some minutes, all home was in the fire.. and only in this moment, profiting of parents panic and cries, the kidnappers escaping with cars... it is logic to think that nobody of other Sodder hearing and making attention to motor cars rumor....
the kidnapper knew that having a time's margin for to escape, the phone line was cut and the vehicles was out, so no puirsit...
so the plan was put into effect between the moment of the strange phoning that Jennie had, and the moment of runner ball rumor on the roof....
this hypothesis seeming more easy and logical...
but in all story, a question: why, the children, when adults, never contacted the parents... why?
so some other mystery must be.....
yesterday I thinked: maybe some ex-children reading this forum... maybe he is under new name... maybe he can contact Grandaughter ...
I hope that someone making a contact... maybe who sent the Louis picture, maybe who know what happened really, who know the kidnappers...
It is always the right time for to make the good....
all the best,
raf