Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #29

[blueberryjam]

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Indeed!

'WHERE ARE HER THINGS?'

Probably where they said, in the Laundrie's home. They don't seem to be utilising that garage for cars, so maybe there. Not sure this is a key to the case or an indication of premeditation. I get that Gabby's parents are desperate for her things, but things have moved quickly, I dont think there has been enough time to arrange sending of her things with all the media outside etc.

 

[GRT]

As it happens, I am an attorney and I practice federal law almost exclusively. You can read the statute yourself. 18 U.S.C. 2 covers aiding & abetting a federal crime and 18 U.S.C. 3 covers acting as an accessory after the fact related to a federal crime. If you do the acts described below (assisting someone who committed a federal crime) with the mindset described below (knowingly), you have violated a federal statute.

18 U.S. Code § 3 - Accessory after the fact

Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

Except as otherwise expressly provided by any Act of Congress, an accessory after the fact shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the principal, or both; or if the principal is punishable by life imprisonment or death, the accessory shall be imprisoned not more than 15 years.

18 U.S. Code § 3 - Accessory after the fact

Thank you for that. So basically, they could be charged if they knew he murdered her but not if they thought someone else murdered her and they were just protecting their innocent son?

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I see many posts saying that maybe BL didn’t mean to kill Gabby.

If he put a hand to her he meant to harm her. He intended to do that.

If he put his hands around her throat and squeezed and didn’t stop until she stopped fighting he not only meant to harm her, he meant to kill her.

If he struck her with a bat or a tree limb or rock over her head and continued striking her until she succumbed, he meant to kill her.

If he pulled a gun on her and pulled the trigger he meant to kill her.

I don’t care if there was a fight and in the heat of the moment he lost it on her. He meant to harm and kill.

There is no excuse for murder.

Gabby was murdered. She is a victim of homicide with a tangible trail of evidence of domestic violence and abuse.

BL absolutely meant to kill her and IMO that’s exactly what he did.

MOO IMO JMHO

100%. Calling it a mistake or saying they feel he did not mean to kill her, based off of a 90 minute video where he lies, does not admit to his abuse, is part of the bigger problem. He is/was violent, it does not matter how he is able to sweet talk LE, come across as kind, he was not kind enough to not chase and slap his girlfriend, he was not kind enough to not embarrass her by harassing and arguing with wait staff. It absolutely sends the wrong message to other young women or men in abusive relationships that these are mistakes, they did not mean it. It happened, end stop, all the peripheral "but he seems so nice and calm" is nonsense and irrelevant. If someone is hitting you, you need to leave, you are NEVER responsible for someone abusing you, they control how they react to a situation. To be clear, I am not referring to situations which require self defense which BL chasing and slapping her was not self defense, it was pure anger and rage.

 

[jamicat]

Indeed!

'WHERE ARE HER THINGS?'

A lot of boxes of things taken out of Laundrie’s house during search. Maybe Gabby’s things.

Also possible the storage locker was not emptied but one filled. We don’t know for sure what went on those days.

Also, the Laundrie’s garage is chock full. No idea what living quarters where Gabby had her things is like.

But it’s an excellent point you bring up. Gabby lived in that house for 2 years. Her things are somewhere. How and when will her family get access to them. More than a bit awkward.

 

[Bluebear15]

@Pmcknightnews
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A #NorthPort law firm is now offering a reward up to $20,000 for information regarding #BrianLaundrie’s exact whereabouts.

Excellent, that'll open people's eyes.

 

[oviedo]

As it happens, I am an attorney and I practice federal law almost exclusively. You can read the statute yourself. 18 U.S.C. 2 covers aiding & abetting a federal crime and 18 U.S.C. 3 covers acting as an accessory after the fact related to a federal crime. If you do the acts described below (assisting someone who committed a federal crime) with the mindset described below (knowingly), you have violated a federal statute.

18 U.S. Code § 3 - Accessory after the fact

Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

Except as otherwise expressly provided by any Act of Congress, an accessory after the fact shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the principal, or both; or if the principal is punishable by life imprisonment or death, the accessory shall be imprisoned not more than 15 years.

18 U.S. Code § 3 - Accessory after the fact

I am adding this to the media thread so every time this comes up we can refer to it.

 

[elmomom]

I gotcha and agree. There were mighty slim pickings for sources. That's why I said it wasn't in MSM. I searched a good bit for a better source but had no luck. I'm starting to believe it was something the couple made up to tell the parents.

Oh I agree, I think Gabby made up a story to tell her folks because it is nonsensical to me.. and I remember her father saying he ordered food for them in the hotel, so I don’t think he was even told that Gabby was alone (if she really was). But her Mom’s account was reported quite a few places, even if her Mom actually doubted the story she had herself. But that was what she was told at the time. IMHO.

 

[Hazelnutty]

I found this link. Nichole Schmidt, Gabby's mom, is quoted as the source. However, I don't believe there was a sighting of him in Florida during that time, nor has the story been picked up by MSM. You have to scroll down the article to find the reference.
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Boyfriend of missing Gabby Petito returned to Florida alone 10 DAYS before she was reported missing | Daily Mail Online

"She's also questioning Brian's trip back to Florida in August to help his father move their belongings out of a storage unit.

Brian left Gabby in the Fairfield Inn in Salt Lake City and flew back home to Florida from August 17 to the 23 to help his father empty out a storage unit where he and Gabby had their things.

According to Schmidt, Brian's father offered to let them keep their belongings at his house so they wouldn't have to pay for the storage unit.

He left Gabby at the hotel so she, understandably, wouldn't be alone in the van. Brian then flew back to Utah and they left the hotel together on August 24.

Schmidt now wonders why it was necessary to move Gabby's things during their road trip and what became of her stuff.

'Where are her things?' she asked. "

Thanks for this post!

Also, I'm curious as to why they'd offer to remove things from storage in order to save $$, but spend $$$$ on a plane ticket to and from + hotel+ incidentals involved along the way. Why spend a lot of $$$$ to save very little $$?

 

[SuziQ]

I'm no attorney, but that sounds like it might be questionable. If Brian is charged it will be a federal crime because it happened on federal lands.

But, charges against his parents would not be tied to his case, but rather stand on their own, and I don't think the fed would be able to charge them. I think charges--if applicable--would come from the local court system.

People get charged for OJ even when the main suspect isn't charged. The Laundries would absolutely be charged Federally. We had an attorney weigh in. Why do people keep posting this?

 

[MsBetsy]

Agreed. That sounds like a lot of speculation, but keep in mind that the #1 cause of death is pregnant women in murder.

There's a whole lot of psychology behind that fact.

Yes, it's also true that the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship is when she is trying to leave.

At this time we don't know if either one is the case.

 

[Devil In The Details]

Or a mass killer.
Or terrorist.

Someone who is a clear and dangerous threat to society.

To be fair BL really doesn't fit any of this criteria.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/pmcknightnews/status/1441101733686480898?s=21

Search teams for #BrianLaundrie now looking at a specific area: “We’ve teamed up, we’ve broke them into different groups to do a line search and a grid search throughout a specific area in the #CarltonReserve,” said NPPD Commander Joe Fussel

 

[carbuff]

Or a mass killer.
Or terrorist.

Someone who is a clear and dangerous threat to society.

Yeah. Except that they haven't told the residents nearby to shelter in place, it reminds me of the hunt for the marathon bombers in the Boston area.

 

[VaBorn]

Regarding spare key comment, when we take the RV out we both have a set of keys on us in case we get separated and/or lose one. FYI

I take a spare key anytime we travel period.

 

[Amster]

Where is Jose Baez's office?

Ugh….just no!

 

[cherrymeg]

Didn't the Laundries return home again followed by the LE caravan that earlier escorted them away from the home? Do I have that wrong?


Sigh. This is a Federal case. Florida laws do not apply.


No. The Federal Government has jurisdiction.

Could they face criminal charges in Florida too? I know the murder of Gabby is federal so is everything after the fact federal or could they also face state charges if are obstructing justice or lying about their child being missing? Sorry if that is a stupid question. If he isn’t in that reserve and they know that, it’s wasting man hours, putting people at risk and I can’t imagine the search is good for the land (wasn’t he against plastic bottles?).

 

[blueberryjam]

I have been wondering this myself! What's the game plan for when they find him? To announce, at that instant, that he is a suspect and bring him in for questioning? At which point his lawyer will fly in from NY and be present? Why not announce him a suspect now? What is the protocol for a manhunt involving a POI who is a legal-age adult? Has there even been a manhunt (of any size/scope) of a POI? What was that like?

Because depending on the autopsy, they may not have enough evidence without him incriminating himself. Unless they can establish time of death and manner of death. It could be hard to nail him beyond reasonable doubt.

Not a lawyer

 

[jamicat]

Thank you for that. So basically, they could be charged if they knew he murdered her but not if they thought someone else murdered her and they were just protecting their innocent son?

Because you cannot be forced to testify against yourself, it would be difficult to charge the Laundries since they do not have to tell anyone what they knew. Only they, BL and attorney know, and doubt any of them going to say anything. Also, BL still has not be accused of anything. So they were not harboring a criminal any of the time BL was with them. It would be a difficult drill to go after the parents.

I do see civil suits in the future by GP’s family.

 

[Alethea]

I’m so glad there’s an attorney here! I watched a clip last night from “Banfield” & the guest lawyer said that in Florida there’s an exception to “Accessory after the fact” that prevents parents & siblings from being subject to it. I found that quite surprising. Is he right about that? &/or does state law even apply if this is a federal case? TIA!

I think everyone is a little confused. So, if you lie to the FBI while you are in Florida, you can be charged with a violation of 18 U.S. Code § 1001 (lying to federal agents). You aren't charged with a Florida state law violation. I don't see why acting as an accessory after the fact to a federal crime would be charged as a Florida state law violation when it is directly covered by 18 U.S.C. 3.

I think some of the media personalities are a little behind. Before we knew that Gabby was murdered in Bridger-Teton, we didn't know who had jurisdiction. NPPD seemed to take the lead because her van was found there. If Gabby was found murdered in North Port, it would be a Florida state law crime as it occurred within the jurisdiction of Florida. Then all of the speculation about Florida "accessory" crimes could be true.

But when you are talking about an underlying Federal offense, and we're talking about aiding and abetting a federal crime or providing aid and comfort to a federal fugitive (for all intents and purposes), it would be a Federal crime.

I will say if Brian is not alive and is never charged with a federal crime, then I don't think 18 USC 3 applies because it is based on knowingly assisting someone who has committed a federal crime. There may be other federal statutes that could apply, like 18 USC 1001 (lying to the feds) or obstruction of justice, but we are not there yet and haven't heard anything like that from the FBI as of yet.

 

[Shellinaya]

I have an entire den of coyotes about 50 yards from my back door.
I've lived here for over a decade.
I also have a 7lb miniature dachshund and they run like heck from her. Legitimately terrified.
I have birds of prey that are more keenly interested in eating her (she's learned to run under something when she sees them circling).
People are really afraid of wild animals but you'd be hard pressed to find any wild animal that is just randomly attacking humans. Yes, incidents happen but they are VERY RARE.

27 fatal puma attacks in 100 years in the US
2 recorded coyote deaths of humans in the US and Canada
23 -27 (depending on your source) alligator deaths in FL in over 70 years (most were kids or elderly)
0 Black bear deaths in FL recorded
Only 5 people die from venomous snakes in the US yearly
(now without medical care one could argue that BL would be at heightened risk should he be one of the 7-8k bitten in the US every year but anyone with any outdoor skills knows how to avoid becoming a snake bite victim)
3-5 deaths by wild boar in the US ever (though attacks by them can be a concern)

Sounds like you have a scary little dachshund. LOL

OK so if Brian is in the nature reserve and his friend is saying he could survive there for months, then what? He'll either need help to live there longer, or to come out of hiding at that point. He can't live in the nature reserve for the rest of his life. LE *will* get him eventually. He will not escape, no matter where he's hiding. Maybe the friend is just telling everyone to be patient.

I just don't know why they are spending so much time and money searching that nature reserve because I don't think he's in there.