Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #33

[citizen_sleuth]

Brian Laundrie's parents are worried he may have hurt himself and are 'very concerned' about him, the family's lawyer said – Insider
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The parents of Gabby Petito's fiancé Brian Laundrie are worried that he may have hurt himself in some way as a manhunt for the missing 23-year-old continues, a lawyer for the man's family told Insider Friday.

Christopher and Roberta Laundrie are "very worried" about their son, who has been named a person of interest in the disappearance and death of 22-year-old Petito, the attorney for Brian Laundrie and his parents, Steven Bertolino, told Insider.

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He left the home, where he also lived with Petito, without a cell phone or wallet and has "no known means of communication," Bertolino told Insider.

 

[Sleuthypsych]

I fear it’s almost the time that they start wrapping up for the day and pulling teams out of the reserve. I really had high hopes for today. Ugh!

 

[cbeagle]

I thought the statement of Witness 1 started with the slap fight on the sidewalk, and the statement of Witness 2 commences with the ‘cop needs to follow these people driving erratically’…? Happy to be corrected, though.

Witness describes Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie's Utah fight | wtsp.com

According to Chris:

Outside, he [Chris] saw the couple arguing, and "something seemed off."

Chris told investigators it seemed like they were fighting over a phone, and it appeared the man took the woman's phone. It seemed [Laundrie] didn't want [Petito] to get into the van but she managed to climb in anyway, Chris' statement says.

According to other 911 transcript:

Caller: “Yes, and then we stopped. He ran up and down the sidewalk. He proceeded to hit her, hopped in the car and they drove off.”

Maybe it's the same, but "hopped in the car" doesn't seem to align with "she managed to climb in anyway"

 

[ccargirl]

His parents seem to me to make a modest living with their juice business, so if they have anything of value, it will need to go to the lawyers first.

Unless other charges are added, bail for credit card fraud, or even vehicle theft, will not be "insane." Now the question will be would they be able to find a bondsman willing to issue bond, or would they need to come up with the cash.

 

[blueberryjam]

I just don’t think I could ever sit with my conscious in a situation where I don’t know for sure it’s been reported. The restaurant may not want to report it because it is written down as an incident report and looks bad to any public that reads or hears about it. Is that a reason not to call?…no, no, no!

hmmm...IMO its their business and they are the ones being abused. It's their call. Especially if any were POC. The trust is lost in LE and there is a fear of LE escalation, or them targeting the wrong person because of a misunderstanding. Whether this is correct or not, it's reality for some people. Trusting LE is a privileged that only some of us have. It seems Gabby didn't have this privilege of trusting LE either based on the DV call out.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Maybe you are right. I just didn't see that the way you did, and am sure my own confirmation bias may be at play. I have yet to meet a man in real life that would offer such a thing as going to jail for me after we had been scrapping, chasing each other around to the point of a police intervention, where I, admittedly, had scratched, hit, and cried and been emotional... a man who would have ever cared enough about me to even think to offer such a thing. Jail is scary to most people, men especially...IF this is an attempt at pure manipulation, I don't see it (according to his record, of which there is none that anyone has found that I am aware of, he doesn't have experience with this or LE)

IMO: In that moment, when he suggested it, it could have been a viable option. MOO! What I see, is him trying to control the only thing he can, to get her free of this traumatic situation, by placing the consequences of both of their actions on himself. It didn't work.

IMO, what you are not taking into account is that BL might very well have offered ‘take me to jail, I don’t mind!’ in a vacuum, without meaning it.

I mean, there is precedent, as I and others have pointed out, to say that BL is regularly a big ‘do as I say, not as I do’ hypocrite vis-a-vis his feelings on the environment; thus it isn’t inappropriate to me, to take this to its farthest extent and assume that if LE had actually taken him up on it… well, they didn’t, but my mother always says, ‘Talk is cheap.’

Brian strikes me as an enormous ‘do as I say, not as I do’ poseur.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

This could easily mean that they knew that BL took Gabby's GPS phone out there to dump it (the house is too closely watched now) or indeed his own cell phone HS . That GPS Iphone will be central to any trial if it can be found intact (or even in a state where the GPS data can be read off a damaged PCB) . The police will be going through the Laundrie garbage like maggots looking for clues - there is no way (approx) to trash the phone and dispose of it now , where they are located. Toilet and fire place are possible options but roofline of house indicates no chimney.

Who knows, the GabbyP phone may have been seized by the police in the first search of the house. What is known is it was shut down on Sept 1st. That's consistent with his bringing it all the way home. He may have intended to continue to use it to spoof Gabby's poor mother with "Gabby" txt mesages and then have been told by a family lawyer or his parents that this as a very dangerous activity ( The Laundries don't have any normal concepts like "Immoral").

KG.

The amount of digital location data they will glean from subpoenas to all app providers will provide location data as well. They just take time. I have no doubt digital data will play a role, but ditching a phone will not make that data go away.

Just thinking out loud of all the location data available.

Phones
App providers
Google
Routers at the coffee shop, the home and any other location.
Cars - yes, gps data can be gleaned from the infotainment systems. Texts, phone calls, stops, starts, seat belt, photos, etc.
Credit card transaction data location
Tag Readers
Toll Readers
Watch (es)

 

[Deleted member 275109]

who ever posted that shot of the laundrie front lawn, THAT is one of the saddest things I've seen. It says it all. I once LIVED...

I wonder if they will leave it there or remove it...

 

[Deleted member 222031]

And a 100 lb girl slaps a guy doesn't usually get a 911.'
But guy doing that to a girl does.... My clue #1.
This must have caught a lot of attention and severe in nature.
GP couldn't articulate in detail what happened ...was the one almost arrested .. seems like both would be based on eyewitnesses. Both had minor marks.

Even if GP had expressed what had just happened in great detail.....I doubt LE would have change their decision. No Arrests . Separation. Didn't rise to be considered Criminal. I get it. Sadly.

We need some more eyewitness reports!

JMO

 

[heartgoesout]

This was reported on earlier, it is so thick and dense that termal imaging does not necessarily work to its full abilities in large areas of the reserve.

wow! I did not know that! Thank you
I guess I take for granted thermal imaging is stronger than it is.

 

[10ofRods]

I wonder if LE has found items of HERS in the Reserve.

Maybe clothing, or jewelry, or cosmetics or dishes or anything.

Maybe like a shrine. We assume LE didn't find much left in the van when it was retrieved. And BL has had weeks of access to her personal items that were apparently in his parents garage.

I assume LE took them all from the garage and will release them to her family.

I don't think that's happened yet. The search warrant was for Brian's and his parent's things - not Gabby's. And there are cameras on that house at all times...the neighbors are talking to reporters. I think we'll know if and when that happens.

Surely it will happen? If I were the grieving parent, those things would not be the first things on my mind. It would take me a while to be able to handle seeing my beloved daughter's possessions, after death, under these circumstances.

 

[MassGuy]

GabbyPetito was like a granddaughter to Noreen Gibbons who flew in from Portland ahead of Gabby’s funeral. She told me Gabby and #BrianLaundrie were supposed to finish their cross-country trip at her home in late October. She couldn’t have been more excited for their visit.

https://twitter.com/jodigfox5ny/status/1441504510137053184?s=21

 

[WellThen]

Is it just me or am I missing the point of continuing to search this swamp? If it's 75% just watery swamp, it's not conducive to BL hiding out in this type of condition.

He would be on dry land (imo) he's not a fish or water animal. Unless they are looking for a body possibly?

Possibly also looking for electronics (maybe LE detected pings or triangulated a known cell phone there), maybe LE also looking for evidence that may have been dumped, maybe it's largely a big distrction and LE led astray by false "breadcrumbs" Brian and or his family deposited there. Just my opinion and conjecture]

 

[KidonGadol]

Looks like he may have worked on a music playlist during that time. He didn't have time to hike for "days" as she was seen on August 27 in Jackson and he leaves WY on or about August 30 - arriving after a 40 hour drive (not counting gas stops) back home at 10 am on Sept 1 (supposedly - I think MSM has taken the parents' word for that).

I would say that he was probably not in the best state of mind at that point, which is why it makes no sense.

Forget the MSM . It appears a FL "plate reader" (presumably electronic tolling device) "saw " Gabby Ford Escort van on 1st Sept as it entered FL , somewhere near Nth port. This suggests Gabby had a Sunpass or similar in the van (which should be visible on the front Wscreen if people look) or on the inside of any piece of vehicle glass.

Plate reader is generic term. ON a toll road you will either have an E tag read or you will pass a plate reader which uses OCR on your "tag plate" after that you will get X days to pay or you will be fined or you will get a reminder notice sent physically or to the cell phone registered the vehical's plate number (depending on the enabling law).

"Sunpass" is a proprietary name for one of the E-tags used for one of the FL tollways. I have never seen the electronic dump that shows this catch of the Escort van but it seems believable. Far more reliable than Wilda$$ed Purple neighbour memory dumps from 2 weeks previously !!! )

Kidon Gadol

- I am not from FL or even the US of A but have followed the Dan Markel Moyder trial in great ethnic detail (here and on the Various video dumps). Sunpass E-tags on cars are critical in that FL trial. KG

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Maybe you are right. I just didn't see that the way you did, and am sure my own confirmation bias may be at play. I have yet to meet a man in real life that would offer such a thing as going to jail for me after we had been scrapping, chasing each other around to the point of a police intervention, where I, admittedly, had scratched, hit, and cried and been emotional... a man who would have ever cared enough about me to even think to offer such a thing. Jail is scary to most people, men especially...IF this is an attempt at pure manipulation, I don't see it (according to his record, of which there is none that anyone has found that I am aware of, he doesn't have experience with this or LE)

IMO: In that moment, when he suggested it, it could have been a viable option. MOO! What I see, is him trying to control the only thing he can, to get her free of this traumatic situation, by placing the consequences of both of their actions on himself. It didn't work.

There are good men out there, great men, I am married to one. He may not have experience with LE but he knew how to play the cool, calm collected one when just minutes earlier he was seen slapping and hitting her multiple times, safe to say out of anger. The bottom line, if he cared more about her than himself, if he really wanted to place the consequences of both of their actions on himself, he would have stepped up to the plate and taken responsibility for his actions, told the officer he was hitting her and that contributed to her current emotional state. He did not do that.

 

[PoppyBear]

IMO, what you are not taking into account is that BL might very well have offered ‘take me to jail, I don’t mind!’ in a vacuum, without meaning it.

I mean, there is precedent, as I and others have pointed out, to say that BL is regularly a big ‘do as I say, not as I do’ hypocrite vis-a-vis his feelings on the environment; thus it isn’t inappropriate to me, to take this to its farthest extent and assume that if LE had actually taken him up on it… well, they didn’t, but my mother always says, ‘Talk is cheap.’

Brian strikes me as an enormous ‘do as I say, not as I do’ poseur.

MOO

Yes!! I am doubtful he is not a person who was willing to go to jail over Gabby. That was a line and had no meaning. He has since shown us how very unwilling he is to go to jail over Gabby, guilty or not guilty, he ran rather than reported her missing.

 

[Katerz]

Sorry mods!!!!!!

 

[squareandrabbet]

Witness describes Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie's Utah fight | wtsp.com

According to Chris:

Outside, he [Chris] saw the couple arguing, and "something seemed off."

Chris told investigators it seemed like they were fighting over a phone, and it appeared the man took the woman's phone. It seemed [Laundrie] didn't want [Petito] to get into the van but she managed to climb in anyway, Chris' statement says.

According to other 911 transcript:

Caller: “Yes, and then we stopped. He ran up and down the sidewalk. He proceeded to hit her, hopped in the car and they drove off.”

Maybe it's the same, but "hopped in the car" doesn't seem to align with "she managed to climb in anyway"

Just because Chris and ‘Unnamed Caller’ don’t use the same language, doesn’t hold much water with me, as both speakers (all individual people) clearly sometimes have different internal lexicons. Maybe your ‘hopped in’ is my ‘clambered over’; or maybe I’m wrong and they are 2 separate instances.

 

[WizardQuest]

After reading the transcript, and watching the video, I thought they handled the whole interaction thoughtfully and caringly. The couple clearly loved eachother, she had zero physical signs of abuse, and neither of them acted violently or out of control in their presence. Brian even offered to go to jail instead of her. It's easy to blame everybody under the sun in hindsight, but all these officers had was a very brief snapshot to go on. I think we need to put the pitchforks down concerning these police officers.

It's quite possible that the traffic stop video will be the biggest focus in the courtroom if this ever goes to trial.

What is discussed in this forum could very well be a sign as to what plays out in the courtroom.

If I were BL's attorney, that's the first evidence I would want admitted into court if he were accused of her homicide, and those police officers would be my friends on the stand.

 

[ShadyLady]

Maybe you are right. I just didn't see that the way you did, and am sure my own confirmation bias may be at play. I have yet to meet a man in real life that would offer such a thing as going to jail for me after we had been scrapping, chasing each other around to the point of a police intervention, where I, admittedly, had scratched, hit, and cried and been emotional... a man who would have ever cared enough about me to even think to offer such a thing. Jail is scary to most people, men especially...IF this is an attempt at pure manipulation, I don't see it (according to his record, of which there is none that anyone has found that I am aware of, he doesn't have experience with this or LE)

IMO: In that moment, when he suggested it, it could have been a viable option. MOO! What I see, is him trying to control the only thing he can, to get her free of this traumatic situation, by placing the consequences of both of their actions on himself. It didn't work.

This is what I saw.

To clarify some of my posts, when I say "accidental death" with manslaughter...I dont mean Gabby fell and died. I think someone took an action that lead to her death. But, that the intent was not to kill her....