this is so typically florida.OH dear me!!!
this is so typically florida.OH dear me!!!
Wait, you're a car buff? I thought it said cat buff!
Yeah, I think it's because in this case we not only know who LE is looking for, but also that he's on the run and because of this, information keeps dripping out. Drip by drip by drip. MOOJust out of curiosity what’s the highest number of threads a case on Websleuths has had? This one is going for a record lol
Let's all hope that by the end of Thread 50, he is in custody. That would be nice.
It would be terrifying, but even if they’re not hiding him inside the house, they already did a lot of things instead of notifying the police or GP’s parents when he got home without her. They seem mostly terrified of any consequences their son might face, including the very <modsnip> non communication with GP parents. LE generally checks attics, closets, under beds, crawl space under the house, garages, storage buildings, and inside cabinets. They don’t typically bang on the walls to see how sturdy a wall seems. Having a lawyer also helps limit tearing up the house. An infrared search also now requires a separate approval that shows justification because of prior misuse by LE when they would look for interior weed growing lights.Yes, what you’re saying makes a certain amount of sense. It may in fact be more realistic to hide him at home than anywhere else.
On the other hand, I’d be terrified that at some point the FBI would come searching, and figure the whole thing out.
True. Suggests than any anxious concern about being "left" was more about the relationship /interpersonal dynamics.
Thank you!! I hate that the video cuts right there…I wanna hear what he says after that!! Lol.
OMG. These people think they are yelling at BL who is nowhere near. It's hysteria detached completely from reality.
I agree. Plus BL fleeing shows us he knew what he did was wrong.I lost my reply posts during the previous thread close.
To @samiam33: I doubt the person who stopped for directions has any idea someone is telling the story of the occurence.
Reply: To my knowledge based on posts by members this morning, this has now been picked up by national news outlets. IMO if I'm that guy, I'm speaking up. And, I'm speaking up quick before they find me. MOO
To @rosesfromangels: Or he truly believes that's all that happened.
Not trying to give this guy a hall pass of any sort, but I truly think he will be declared incompetent to stand trial. From various bits of info that is emerging, it sounds like he has been unwell for awhile. Likely GP and the parents held him together, until they couldn't any more. All amateur opinion and speculation
Reply: MOO, I think that will be a tall order, as would an insanity defense. It depends on the jurisdiction. If the jurisdiction follows the M'naughten (McNaughten) Rule the issue hinges not on whether he suffers from some form of mental incapacity, but rather only whether he knew that what he was doing at the time was wrong. MOO Not fact.
M'naughten Rule
Flight, when unexplained, may indicate consciousness of guilt if the facts and the circumstances support it.
Having been in a similar relationship at the ages that Gabby and BL are, I will say that paramount for both of us was maintaining the illusion that we were grown up enough to get married and stay married. We had agreed to marry, we considered ourselves "as if" married, etc. So each time we had a huge fight and one of us ran off, we felt defeated and tried to hide what happened - from others, and from ourselves.
I was especially hell bent on the marriage thing, and my style is decidedly avoidant/stalk off when angry. My then partner got very anxious when I'd do that, but wouldn't admit it or talk about it. We would just resume as if nothing had happened.
The similarities don't end there, of course. My ex was physically abusive, although always with a view to not having LE involved or leaving bruises, or if he left bruises, it would be on places I could cover up. He was much better at just freezing me out. We'd be on road trips, and he'd just disappear from an overlook and I'd have to just wait - sometimes for a very long time. Once, it was overnight. When he came back, he wouldn't speak to me or tell me why he was angry. I'd plead and try to get him to tell me, at least, what I had done?
Years later (many many years later), he says he has no memory of those events until I jog his memory, and that he has no clue what he was angry about. We've both been in therapy several times. He still is. He says that many memories have come back, but he now thinks that he didn't know at the time what he was angry or frustrated about. He simply wanted to abandon everything in life at that moment (me, our lifestyle, our vacation, our schooling - whatever it was at the time). An inchoate "run away" response, with an inability to talk about any of it at the time. "Blanked out" which I interpreted as anger. He'd bump into people as he walked/ran away. He'd bump into me in our apartment as if I wasn't there (I interpreted this as physical intimidation; it hurt, it left bruises on my shoulders).
It got worse.
Thanks for posting this. I couldn't find the post that AngelsAdvocate (hope I've got that name right!) mentioned.
I've got to say (MOO) - I believe this guy. He gives a lot of detail and the part about the profile of the truck driver's face was really interesting. I'm going to go back and look at the map I was looking at late last night. I'd like to see the location of the parking lot and try to figure out what happens to Waterville Rd. I think it may just dead end.
Again, thanks for the link.
I may be in the minority here but IMO everything about the “protestors” at the Laundrie house seems exaggerated. When I looked, there’s 3 people. Honestly, for how the parents have publicly acted, I’m surprised there’s not 50 people standing there. If the neighbors have an issue, it’s certainly their right to contact the police about the disturbance. Idk, maybe because of living in cities, I don’t really notice a lot sounds… there’s ambulances, honking, yelling… it’s just the sounds of life to me.Scene at the Laundrie house.
https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1444683853243748352
Maybe this idea has already been posted, I haven’t read through all the threads…
If I had a grown son with no job and a girlfriend living in my house, who liked camping, didn’t like shoes, and had emotional issues, I would immediately hide him inside my house. I would do that if my only focus was my dumdum son and not what anyone else is experiencing because of his actions.
I would make sure I could hide him quickly if LE showed up at any time, and preferably in his own room with all his smells already there if they brought search dogs.
In BL’s room there is a support column covered in Sheetrock, with a wood frame and hollow inside. It has plenty of room for him to stand inside of it for however long LE might be there, and easy to exit when they leave.
No new painting would be required if done carefully with a Sheetrock knife. I would take one hinge off of two doors in the house, use scrap leftover wood from the van project, and a wire to pull the hinged Sheetrock panel shut. The same could go for his built-in book cases, or the drop down in the ceiling for the air duct. There are lots of options in that house.
I would create diversions like leaving his car at a park long enough to get an abandoned vehicle sticker, and have him appear outside in the neighborhood so the neighbors can watch him leave. I might even charge a phone completely, leave it on, put it in a waterproof pouch and toss it in the swamp where his car is parked. I would make sure several people saw him leave the house and not come back. He would be back though, and I would have him climb out of the camper in the middle of the night, slide under the slightly opened garage door and walk into the house and stay there.
I would not risk my dumdum son getting shot by LE or by a crazy “vigilante”, or dying of hunger alone. I would lawyer up before he even got home and plan to point in every direction except my house. My possible theory is that he is hiding inside the house. It might be a stretch, but it seems more likely than dumdum, who can’t survive without mom and dad, being able to evade the general public and LE for a month.
Seems at this point BL is either very lucky or very dead. IMO
GP may have been concerned about damage to her credibility as a van life blogger. If she had gotten a citation due to that Moab incident, or if he had left her stranded somewhere, if made public that information could have ruined her chances and all her efforts and investment be lost.True. Suggests than any anxious concern about being "left" was more about the relationship /interpersonal dynamics.
That's awful! I shudder to think of the "worse," and am glad you got out of that relationship!
Your experiences do give me a better idea of what might have been going on between GP and BL.
JMO
I agree with 99% of what you said. I do believe, tho, that calling the Engineer back to get his first hand story should be part of that follow up.
Thx for your reply. I speculate this fellow might have some legit medical challenges that will weigh in the Defences favor. Time will tell.I lost my reply posts during the previous thread close.
To @samiam33: I doubt the person who stopped for directions has any idea someone is telling the story of the occurence.
Reply: To my knowledge based on posts by members this morning, this has now been picked up by national news outlets. IMO if I'm that guy, I'm speaking up. And, I'm speaking up quick before they find me. MOO
To @rosesfromangels: Or he truly believes that's all that happened.
Not trying to give this guy a hall pass of any sort, but I truly think he will be declared incompetent to stand trial. From various bits of info that is emerging, it sounds like he has been unwell for awhile. Likely GP and the parents held him together, until they couldn't any more. All amateur opinion and speculation
Reply: MOO, I think that will be a tall order, as would an insanity defense. It depends on the jurisdiction. If the jurisdiction follows the M'naughten (McNaughten) Rule the issue hinges not on whether he suffers from some form of mental incapacity, but rather only whether he knew that what he was doing at the time was wrong. MOO Not fact.
M'naughten Rule