Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #73

[Gemmie]

Seriously, what difference does it make if they touched the bag? What information does the outside of the bag have that their fingerprints will conceal?

To me, it's more about where, and how, the bag was found. How as in what the area looked like. Example... (I've been on WS too long which will be evident in a moment. lol) I went mushrooming a few days ago and came across a pile of large bones. There was a black plastic bag in the mix where they apparently were inside at one time (it's obvious some time had passed since I stumbled upon this). It evidently had been there for some time, rained upon, etc. The person I was with that I pointed out the bones to picked up the plastic bag and I was screaming silently in my head... 'Nooooooo... don't TOUCH the evidence! What if it's a crime scene???? They might want to see it as it WAS, not messed with/moved/etc.'

Likely was an animal but my experience with that pile of large strewn bones made me think the L's shouldn't have picked up BLs bag and instead let investigators look at it as found. MOO

 

[RANCH]

Upthread somewhere someone else posted a link about cadaver dogs being able to smell a body under roughly 30 feet of water. Can also be smelled under ice apparently.
Can't remember who posted it, sorry.

Maybe they couldn't get close enough to where the odor was rising to the surface of the water. The depth of the water that a HRD dog can detect the scent of human remains is not what I'm asking about.

 

[everybodhi]

The search of that area had concluded. LE had left. What's the difference if XL & RL found it vs me walking my pet iguana there? Just curious? MOO.

I wasn't aware the parents were searching on their own without LE, this is the first I have heard that.
But regardless of that, read all the comments of suspicion that the parents knew exactly where evidence was and "made a beeline". That complicates a case, unnecessarily.
The chain of custody mentioned is one issue, unintentionally destroying or creating false evidence at a crime scene is a risk but people close to the crime searching could have nefarious intent, as some here suspect.
The parents fingerprint DNA were put on evidence today. Just as a hypothetical, if they placed the bag there yesterday, there is now no evidence of that. I'm not suggesting that happened, but they held BL's bag without gloves today, that is something LE and SAR are trained to not do, in order to protect forensics.
You and your iguana are not in the public eye or connected to the case so you don't come with public scrutiny but could still inadvertently cause problems.
Also, untrained searchers of dangerous environments may get lost or hurt, creating another missing persons case resulting in more resources spent on searches, or worse.

 

[RickshawFan]

What is a notebook computer

A notebook computer is a battery- or AC-powered personal computer generally smaller than a briefcase that can easily be transported and conveniently used in temporary spaces such as on airplanes, in libraries, temporary offices, and at meetings. ... Notebooks usually come with displays that use thin-screen technology.

notebook computer - Google Search

But why would you have a laptop in a swamp? With no wifi?
Makes no sense if that's what they found.

 

[passionflower]

BBM I have been trying not to think about this all day, but here we are. I'm no stranger to that smell and have on one occasion torn the kitchen wall out to retrieve a deceased lizard that was haunting our house. So do swamps smell so badly that one wouldn't smell a cadaver? And, what happened to the buzzards so many were sure would be circling? MOO

Or other rodents etc

 

[Alethea]

Here's the thing. Why would his parents stage evidence or a dead body? If he's dead, he no longer has any Constitutional rights. The FBI and the feds will put together their version of the facts and it will be published by the media and accepted as true by everyone.

Can you think of a worse outcome for the parents? Their son is dead, their future daughter-in-law is dead, their son is an alleged murderer, their son does not have an opportunity to "explain" what happened (if there's an explanation), and they don't even have a whole body to bury - they are collecting "partial remains" from a swamp.

But people think this was their plan? You have to extend your idea to the conclusion to evaluate it. Dad brings his son's rotting head to the swamp and the FBI tailing the family for a month seem to miss it so dad can plant it along with a dry bag and say "ah ha!"

What does that get Dad? I am not seeing why these ideas make sense.

If his parents were in on it, they would have sent him to a foreign country on 9/1 and had the van stripped for scrap metal. Instead they sat there like idiots making smores with the van in their driveway? What's the rational answer here? *whispers* they weren't involved, they just hired a lawyer who doesn't understand optics.

 

[zoomom2]

Perhaps he didn't see the bag as evidence because he doesn't think there's a crime to solve. He only saw it as a clue that his son may be nearby....and probably at that moment knew for sure his son was dead. Who would think clearly at that moment?

I agree 1000%. Weeks of stress, no sleep, and no answers - I would just s-n-a-a-a-p and grab it and bring it to the nearest person. "My son is probably dead. Here you go. I'm not even in my right mind anymore."
JMHO

 

[prblythe]

Food for thought...
Another feature of dry bags is that they float. The process of sealing a dry bag traps air inside the bag. Should your boat capsize, the bag will remain floating—allowing for easy retrieval.

Uness this bag punctured assuming thats what we saw in the pic? I would expect it's contents not to be pristine.

Edit to add.. it doesn't help that CL had his hands on it before LE.

 

[passionflower]

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I wasn't aware the parents were searching on their own without LE, this is the first I have heard that.
But regardless of that, read all the comments of suspicion that the parents knew exactly where evidence was and "made a beeline". That complicates a case, unnecessarily.
The chain of custody mentioned is one issue, unintentionally destroying or creating false evidence at a crime scene is a risk but people close to the crime searching could have nefarious intent, as some here suspect.
The parents fingerprint DNA were put on evidence today. Just as a hypothetical, if they placed the bag there yesterday, there is now no evidence of that. I'm not suggesting that happened, but they held BL's bag without gloves today, that is something LE and SAR are trained to not do, in order to protect forensics.
You and your iguana are not in the public eye or connected to the case so you don't come with public suspicion but could still inadvertently cause problems.
Also, untrained searchers of dangerous environments may get lost or hurt, creating another missing persons case resulting in more resources spent on searches, or worse.

nd mother just stands there waiting on the trail? So odd JMOO

 

[pizzaman12]

It was also striking that the lawyer said his clients "always" follow his advice and never don't. That's...not really how it works. Even Chris looked surprised. Your duty is to inform, not instruct. My long time clients usually follow my advice but I have had important situations where they declined to take my advice and went the other way on something. Totally within their rights and we worked together on the next issue. To never have anyone dissent is not really a great thing IMO.

I love hearing an attorney say this. I also appreciate how engaged you've been. This actually summed up my thoughts on interview. It was almost like, why would they question me? If I'm wrong it's on me? It struck me as an ego thing and instead you can simply point them towards a counsel that provides proper representation.

I would also have a different opinion should this lawyer say...have x years of criminal defense experience but he simply doesn't.

I feel for the Laundries. I think they provided LE with everything they knew to recover BL but nothing else. However, it's sounds (in my opinion and based on the interview) they may have received some poor advice by someone who's seen "lots of experts say" they should remain silent.

Maybe his legal advice didn't cause the death of BL but I believe it will certainly be questioned.

 

[RANCH]

Somewhere between 40 and 1600 meters depending on conditions and dog.

Link please. I've been looking and haven't found anything yet.

 

[rleigh123]

It does sound like of crazy and coincidental, but people do sometimes "get a feeling" and "follow their gut". I've done it. Sometimes it works to follow your intuition. After all, this is a case where psychics have been weighing in, and even talked about today on live TV during coverage by JB!

IMO

I totally agree. Also there's a saying, "nothing's really lost until Mom can't find it". That mom went into the swamp, where they had said all along that Brian was, and found his belongings.

I think you might be being sarcastic, but just in case you're not ....

MOO
I don't think Mom intuition or moms being good at finding stuff applies here.

IMO It would be disrespectful to Gabby's mom to say so (and to any mother who's had a missing child.)

I don't think it would apply in a court of law either.
MOO

 

[Spartygirl]

so brian's stuff and (possible) remains were found within same area as the mustang? The mustang that his parents removed from the scene while thinking he was in that area? I just don't get their actions. I do completely agree with what someone mentioned in the last thread, that this must have been a meet up spot pre planned or pre discussed.
I just rewatched the live coverage as we broke and father found dry bag 20 meters from trail in bramble... around the same time police found backpack according to Laundrie attourney.
Really the only thing that makes sense is that all of this was under water for nearly a month and just recently cleared. meaning those remains must have been there quite a while... all under water where they couldn't find or detect them.
so I mean he really didn't get very far after leaving... maybe he didn't even try to run..

If it is a DRY bag, then if it was Under water, wouldn't it be a WET bag ??
Just wondering.

Regardless.... Human remains were found in the vicinity and could possibly be BL.
That would mean he has been in there the whole time, which forensics should be able to detect, I hope.
JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

The one i watched appeared to show the parents alone for at least 5 minutes or so as they walked down that road, then ChL veered off into the brush and came back with that bag. I think that is a bit convenient.
Maybe suspicious even.
MOO

Might you have a link to that? I'd really like to see it.

 

[r131313]

That does make sense but another poster mentioned that LE likely would have instructed them not to touch anything if they find anything. I can kind of see picking it up in shock, but then wouldn’t they (or at least 1 of them) remember not to touch it? Jmo

We have no idea what law enforcement instructed them to do or not do. It's speculation.

 

[moonflower1]

I wonder if coronet can estimate remains time of death? Couldn’t father smell The remains when he found bag?

im sorry but I think it is cold and wierd that LE tells you that your son may be the remains found: yet no emotion, no tears of anguish no holding each other’s arms, nothing? JMOO

Thinking the same thing.

 

[customCF]

Might you have a link to that? I'd really like to see it.

Let me see if I can get it, my computer is being horribly slow, or the WS server is, not sure which.
Here is this one in case you didn't see it.

EXCLUSIVE: Moments after Laundrie's parents discovered items possibly belonging to fugitive son

 

[Gemmie]

I googled it.

While water can damage a hard drive's electronics, the data itself is stored magnetically. It will remain there on the platters, which is why professionals can still recover information from a water damaged hard drive.Sep 11, 2020

What about paper and ink which is what I think more people here think the 'notebook' is. Not a computer/laptop/notebook. You know... I REALLY wish they had called it a journal, and not a notebook, if it is indeed a paper notebook/journal. That would put that to rest.

With that said... Gabby used to journal too. I, and others, brought up in threads way in the past about finding her old journals for answers and some have wondered if that might have been some of the things emptied out of the storage. Which just made me think of something else... what if emptying the storage was because BL knew it was no longer necessary, as neither of them would be needing any of those things, so why incur more monthly charges for his parents?

Things that make ya go hmmm.....

 

[JudgeJudi]

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/stat...5?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

“With luck it could be a day or two, but it could also be longer.” That’s how long the medical examiner here says it could take to identity the remains.

 

[Bertha96]

Finger prints are oily. Could easily survive being in the swamp. jmo

Perhaps in BL's bug out bag, he had duct tape. If someone uses duct tape they can leave fingerprints on the sticky side of the tape and if the tape is folded over those fingerprints survive being left out in the elements and getting wet. Past murder cases have found trace DNA in duct tape and in one case the person was prosecuted for kidnapping A young girl, torturing her for a week and then field dressed her like A deer while she was alive before taping her with duct tape to A tree in a wildlife area. It was 30 degrees and she was alive for a couple of hours before hunters called LE when they saw her. By the time LE arrived, she had passed away. 40 years later LE was able to pull the killers trace DNA from inside the duct tape and her killer was found 40 years after her murder and is currently spending life in prison. Hopefully BL was using duct tape while on the run..IMO