georgiagirl
Opinionated Southern Belle
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Where is Songline? I would like to ask her if Leo was sleeping in his stroller when they were in the elevator together...
I'm sorry, maybe this is just an Eastern thing. Why isn't a burial mentioned? When I think of memorial, I think of a wake, which is a gathering of the family to view the body or just visit together before the actual burial, which usually takes place the next day after a separate, more formal service.
I still suspect they will take them to CA to bury them ... privately.
Do we know for sure that the ME has completed the autopsy and released the bodies to the family? I don't know if there was a delay in that, due to the storm.I'm sorry, maybe this is just an Eastern thing. Why isn't a burial mentioned? When I think of memorial, I think of a wake, which is a gathering of the family to view the body or just visit together before the actual burial, which usually takes place the next day after a separate, more formal service.
Do we know for sure that the ME has completed the autopsy and released the bodies to the family? I don't know if there was a delay in that, due to the storm.
Where is Songline? I would like to ask her if Leo was sleeping in his stroller when they were in the elevator together...
I'm sorry, maybe this is just an Eastern thing. Why isn't a burial mentioned? When I think of memorial, I think of a wake, which is a gathering of the family to view the body or just visit together before the actual burial, which usually takes place the next day after a separate, more formal service.
Is there an official report regarding YO's self-inflicted stab wounds? I've heard it described as "hacking" her throat, and elsewhere as "slicing" her throat. I'm not sure if she was trying to kill herself, or if it was just an act of desperation at being caught red-handed by Marina.
It makes me sick that YO is telling LE that she and Marina weren't getting along, that they had a fight, that Marina didn't treat her well. Even if that were true, that is NO EXCUSE to murder those babies.
I just feel bad that MK may have to hear this crap, that she may be beating herself up thinking, "If I just hadn't said that to her, if I hadn't asked her to do more, if we had paid her more... maybe this never would have happened."
It's so unfair. :furious:
It makes me sick that YO is telling LE that she and Marina weren't getting along, that they had a fight, that Marina didn't treat her well. Even if that were true, that is NO EXCUSE to murder those babies.
I just feel bad that MK may have to hear this crap, that she may be beating herself up thinking, "If I just hadn't said that to her, if I hadn't asked her to do more, if we had paid her more... maybe this never would have happened."
It's so unfair. :furious:
That is not necessarily true, some crimminals are idiots and do just blurt out things...based on info regarding YO, I can see her doing so, since IMO, she felt justified in her actions. Not to mention, given YO is in the hospital, I would doubt the LE were to aggressive with her, plus not all LE are aggressive, guess for people who committ crimes it may seem so, not saying it doesnt ever happen tho think less than portraited.
That's just it, unless the cops directly asked her if she was getting along with the parents, why else would she offer up the fact that she wasn't getting along with the mother and resented her, unless she was using that as an excuse for killing the kids.
If she was using that as an excuse, I can only imagine what the cop was thinking when she said it.
Marina writes about the two girls going to school..which allows her three wonderful hours to play with Leo. So what was YO doing at this point in the day? Did she expect to just lay on the sofa, relaxing?
If she was being paid by the week for so many hours, did YO think she should take a bubble bath and paint her nails....and become incensed that she might be asked to tidy up as SHE WAS PAID for those hours?
The apartment looks like it was designed to be child friendly. Nothing pretentious. The kids have big cardboard boxes in one room...having a joyous time. Marina was obviously hands on. The girls went to school for part of the day. Mom took them to lessons in various places. I wonder howoften YO even had all three kids?
As Nanny jobs go, this one sounds more than fair. Unless you hire an entitled narcissist who thinks SHE should get something for nothing. She EXPECTED a handout...not a hand up.
And she STILL thinks she has a legitimate case to make!!!! Maybe she expected the police to say.."OH! you slit the babies' throats because the Mother made you tidy up and then didn't say goodbye? Oh, alrighty then. YOU ARE THE REAL VICTIM. Take this Lovely lady home in a cab...and lets take up a collection to pay off her debts."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/06/n...y-resented-her-employers-police-say.html?_r=0And a friend of Ms. Ortega recalled how fondly that she would speak of the Krims, saying she was well paid and treated decently. Ms. Ortega said she happily put in extra hours to help Ms. Krim whenever she needed it.
With all due respect, I don't agree that all discussions of the nanny's possible motives as per her statements are merely based on class issues. I was looking at it from the standpoint of the employer-employee relationship. There's a long history of disgruntled employees retaliating in a violent manner against their employers. Those don't always include acts of violence against the employer's family but, in this case, taking care of the family was the very nature of her job. I don't think any of the posters here have tried to paint all domestic workers with a broad brush based upon the actions of this woman. I think we have just been trying to understand her motivations. In the case of the Chicago woman, I believe she stated that she acted out of anger at her husband.Speaking of class issues, why does this keep being brought up? Because when we jump out of thin air to the motivation for the murders of Lulu and Leo being that this woman wanted to sit around doing nothing for half the day, that she thought she should get something for nothing and that she expected a handout, it really become a class issue argument, IMO.
If not, well, the woman who stabbed her son and his playmate to death in Chicago a couple days later (along with the family dogs) isn't being accused of doing so due to monetary envy.
And does everyone realize how many nannies there are in this country? And how many of those are lower income peoples? Or immigrants? And that virtually none of them believe they are entitled to sit on a couch half the day? Or feel a seething rage because their employers have more than them, such that they want to kill someone? I mean, the way I'm reading it here, it's just perfectly reasonable to imagine a class of immigrant domestics seething with a sense of entitlement and rage just waiting to harm their long suffering employers. Come on.