18 y/o Black male shot dead by Police in St Louis suburb of Berkeley MO

[CoolJ]

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[katydid23]

I am not disputing that these people are saying it, I am just saying it is a tiny microcosm of society. There is no culture or attitude of it being ok to kill cops that is prevalent in today's society. That is just silly. Yes I agree there are idiots out there who think it is ok, but there are idiots out there that think many despicable things are ok.

See, thaT is what confuses me. [BBM]

On one hand, you say they are a tiny microcosm of society. But on the other, you use them to support your theory that many many people have major distrust of LE. So is it just a tiny microcosm of society that has this distrust or...?

 

[CoolJ]

You are incorrect. Cops being killed on the job by gunfire has INCREASED 53% over last year.

http://www.odmp.org/

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According to the Officer Down Memorial Page, there has been an 11 percent increase in the number of “Line of Duty” deaths this year, compared to 2013.

“It’s not a New York thing. It’s not a Pennsylvania or Las Vegas thing. It’s a law enforcement thing,” Jones said.

He said it is a risk everyone wearing a badge knows going into the job.

http://fox40.com/2014/12/23/sacramento-county-sheriff-speaks-on-on-duty-deaths/

Well that is certainly an alarming number isn't it. But the trend remains in decline so no, I am not incorrect and there is no cop killing culture.

 

[ontheclock]

Just because we are talking on this thread doesn't mean there is a culture that is saying it is ok to kill cops. This is getting ridiculous. Read the article I posted in reply to katydid23. Cops getting killed on the job is on the decline and has been for decades.

Honestly, CoolJ, I didn't mean to imply we're all talking about a culture that's okay with killing cops. Most peeps I hang around don't enspouse that ideology. In fact, we all get along, without ridiculousness. I don't associate with the other kind, nor do I respond to posts indicating otherwise. I was just trying to point out that we are all, as posters, responding to this thread. It does have merit. Otherwise, I wouldn't speak.

 

[CoolJ]

See, thaT is what confuses me. [BBM]

On one hand, you say they are a tiny microcosm of society. But on the other, you use them to support your theory that many many people have major distrust of LE. So is it just a tiny microcosm of society that has this distrust or...?

But I never said that I am using them to support that there is distrust of LE. It is just a personal observation. I am not and have never said that I am basing it off of some group of people. It is everything I am seeing all rolled into one. You still don't seem to get the idea that there are protesters and then there is this occupy movement you are speaking of. Even you yourself said that most of the protesters are being used did you not???

Look if you want to believe that there is a cop killing culture, then believe it. That is fine. I will believe that it is a small group of people who feel that way.

 

[katydid23]

Well that is certainly an alarming number isn't it. But the trend remains in decline so no, I am not incorrect and there is no cop killing culture.

I did not say they were a 'cop killing' culture. I said they had SYMPATHY for the cop killers and said it was understandable and justice was served. I never said they were all planning to kill cops. Jus said they agreed with the actions.

 

[CoolJ]

Honestly, CoolJ, I didn't mean to imply we're all talking about a culture that's okay with killing cops. Most peeps I hang around don't enspouse that ideology. In fact, we all get along, without ridiculousness. I don't associate with the other kind, nor do I respond to posts indicating otherwise. I was just trying to point out that we are all, as posters, responding to this thread. It does have merit. Otherwise, I wouldn't speak.

But that is what folks here are saying. That there is a culture of cop killing, which i think is ridiculous. But it doesn't bother me one bit if folks want to believe that.

 

[CoolJ]

I did not say they were a 'cop killing' culture. I said they had SYMPATHY for the cop killers and said it was understandable and justice was served. I never said they were all planning to kill cops. Jus said they agreed with the actions.

They....you keep saying they, you are talking about like a few hundred people ??? Out of hundreds of millions?? Why do you even want to believe that

 

[katydid23]

But that is what folks here are saying. That there is a culture of cop killing, which i think is ridiculous. But it doesn't bother me one bit if folks want to believe that.

NO< not a culture of cop killing. A culture of HATRED towards cops, which defends the cop killings as justified.

 

[katydid23]

They....you keep saying they, you are talking about like a few hundred people ??? Out of hundreds of millions?? Why do you even want to believe that

You have often said that there are 'lots' of people that don't trust cops at all. How many people are you speaking of? More than a few hundred, I would assume.

eta: some of the tweets I am talking about have 24k RETWEETS.

 

[MyBelle]

Well that is certainly an alarming number isn't it. But the trend remains in decline so no, I am not incorrect and there is no cop killing culture.

The numbers are significantly UP year-over-year, then there is no trend in decline.

 

[Confusion]

Pardon my ignorance once again, but why are you two arguing? Is there really that much difference between believing that many people distrust LE and believing that many people hate LE?
:thinking: I seem to be missing something. MOO

 

[ontheclock]

But that is what folks here are saying. That there is a culture of cop killing, which i think is ridiculous. But it doesn't bother me one bit if folks want to believe that.

But that's not what I said in the post you responded to. It's okay, seriously. You and I and all the other wsers are friends as far as I'm concerned. I believe a very small portion of society believes in "cop killing". I'm far removed from that ideology. As most of us are. This is a difficult thread and conversation. We're getting closer to the conversation, but we're not really accustomed to talk about it. Love you all. Peace.

 

[MyBelle]

They....you keep saying they, you are talking about like a few hundred people ??? Out of hundreds of millions?? Why do you even want to believe that

Did you miss seeing the FBI warnings?
http://wtvr.com/2014/08/13/fbi-warn...r-party-leader-inciting-violence-in-ferguson/

The New Black Panther Party advocates violence and they have been visible in their support of the disruption in Missouri. This isn't a secret. They seem quite proud of their role in the violence, imo.

The New Black Panther Party is a virulently racist and anti-Semitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, Jews and law enforcement officers. Founded in Dallas, the group today is especially active on the East Coast, from Boston to Jacksonville, Fla. The group portrays itself as a militant, modern-day expression of the black power movement (it frequently engages in armed protests of alleged police brutality and the like),

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/new-black-panther-party

 

[loveamystery]

Citizens need to be educated but so do some LE. Most LE are knowledgeable but I can't say I was surprised to read an officer on coptalk saying he shouldn't be crucified for not knowing the laws under various amendments. In other words, how is it his fault he doesn't know what acts are constitutional and what is not. Scary proposition.

LEO are responsible to know what their job is, and the laws involved in doing their job. Even lawyers don't know all the laws. That's why they have all those rows of law books, and why they argue in court over which law to apply.

As far as educating citizens about their rights and responsibilities, I agree with you. Aren't they still teaching that in schools? Maybe they should put more emphasis on good citizenship instead of trying to teach kids how to protest.

Sorry if I missed something, but I kept backing up on this thread to see where this conversation started. 5 pages seemed enough before I jumped in.

 

[Montjoy]

The topic is about the young man shot by the police. Please keep to that topic and the facts involved.

Just wanted to bump this.

 

[teedie2]

Thanks for that bump. Mine is post #560 right now. Will it be the same number in the morning, or will the overworked mods have to come in here and clean up after us again?

 

[greycoupon]

Not trusting LE doesn't mean folks think it's cool to kill cops.

I still haven't found this "yay, cop killer!" culture y'all keep talking about. Some folks on twitter don't speak for all black people and/or the anti-police brutality movement. Someone having a livestream account doesn't make them a leader.

You can examine why PoC are protesting and why they feel like they can't trust LE. Or you can call them thugs some more. " !" This movement isn't going away. People are upset and are going to continue to be upset. The longer you choose to ignore or discount them, the less chance of their being any positive resolution to this strife. Once again, being upset about the disproportionate number of black folks killed by LEO doesn't mean you think killing LEO is a fine idea.

 

[katydid23]

Do you agree that Bassem Masri is considered one of the leaders of the movement? Or Josh, of Lost Voices?

 

[Confusion]

I think the whole thing is a vicious cycle. I think we all know that there are racist LEOs, and that there are non-white criminals. Where I think the biggest problems lie are in other LEOs (not all) covering up, denying and/or ignoring those who are racists and use racial profiling to harass members of other races (I don't believe this is just a black/white issue), as well as those who should be charged with DV, DUI, theft, assault, and a number of other crimes. In addition to those who refuse to call out a co-worker for bad behavior, there are also DAs, judges, etc. who do their best to avoid prosecution in many of those cases.

On the other side of the coin are those who see one LEO act that way and assume they're all that way. The next time these people have encounters with LE, they're going to be less trusting, respectful, polite, co-operative or whatever words fit. The same is true for friends, family, neighbors, and others who witness the harassment of one person, and expect it to be them the next time. As more of them start treating LEOs with hostility, more LEOs are going to start expecting that behavior during any interaction with a member of that race, ethnic group, age group, religion, etc., which will just lead to more distrust (and, most likely, hatred.)

I really don't know what the answer is. It's very possible that this young man pulled out the gun because he had seen and/or heard about too many others being killed by LE to feel totally comfortable, these boys/men may not have even been the shoplifters (I haven't heard anything about the shop owner identifying them) and he was just tired of racial profiling (which the officer wasn't doing from what I've seen and heard.) I wouldn't expect the officer to first tell him to drop the gun with all of the upheaval there has been recently, and he had no way of knowing the safety was on so he could possibly have warned him first. There was also no way for him to know that the others he had been with didn't also have guns, and they were pretty much on all sides of him. He's lucky it wasn't a group looking to kill a LEO or two, or another person could have shot and killed him when he fell after he shot. MOO