2009.10.6 - Nancy Grace Exclusive with Ronald Cummings.

[Flossie JMO]

I agree with you except the bolded statement above. When have you observed him being disrespectful to anyone and who was it? We just haven't seen him interact with too many people. At least I haven't.

I haven't seen it either

 

[MeoW333]

I think he WAS trying to answer her, but she won't stop and listen... she just keeps badgering... just like she does to everyone else.
And that smirk and smile from all 3 of them could be because they were warned ahead of time that she would put pressure on him, so he just made her look sillier by not saying what she wanted to hear.
IOW.. he one-upped her, and she's p.o.'d.

Txlady, i agree with you on this. NG was trying to push his buttons, people expect him to be hot headed (on a side note, i think that is what is causing people to judge him so harshly on here) NG was trying to get a reaction, one of anger out of him and she failed. His lawyers are probably helping him make a better image of himself. He probably wants people to take him seriously and not think he's some hot head druggie.

I am appalled at all the assumptions and judging that he's on drugs, he is controlling Misty, he's this and that; when the people that are saying these things don't even know him personally.

It's understandable he would be upset and cuss out missing the night Haleigh went missing. People react in different ways to situations, and i probably would have done the same as him. It doesn't mean he himself did something bad to Haleigh.

NG is very rude to the people she has on her show, whether they be lawyers, doctors, it's a wonder anyone even goes on there at all!

She should at least let people finish their sentences..

 

[MeoW333]

So, according to one of Ron's attorneys, Misty stopped by the PCSO before leaving town ? Please !

I think they are requiring her to check in with them (LE) before she goes out of town, as they don't want to lose the key..

 

[Muffet]

TxLady & Granna, when someone equivocates, even if it is by dodging questions, they are intending to deceive by trickery with words. That's a form of lying that's every bit as dishonest as, if not worse than, a direct lie.

And Ron did lie directly as well:

GRACE: They want to talk to her again. Why won`t she do it?

R. CUMMINGS:I have no knowledge of them wanting to talk to her where she wouldn't do it.

GRACE: OK. Let`s go to Terry Shoemaker, attorney for Haleigh`s father, Ronald Cummings. OK. You know, I know, the police know, the rest of the country knows the police want to talk to Misty Croslin. It's not a secret. So how can she say with a straight face that she does not know they want to talk to her? (Notice Nancy's tiptoeing with the pronoun.)

Please enlighten me, Mr. Shoemaker. You've got a good reputation.

TERRY SHOEMAKER: Right. Well, I think everyone knows that the police would love to sit down and talk with her. It`s my guess that probably her attorney isn't allowing her to do that, which, you know, isn't uncommon in this type of situation.

GRACE: OK. Back to you, Cummings. Your lawyer knows police want to talk to her. So do not lie to me. You've never lied to me before to my knowledge. Don't tell me you didn't know police want to talk to her again. We all know it. We`ve talked about it on this show, on national TV.

Now, I'm telling you, police want to talk to her. Now, why is she back in Orlando and not speaking to police?

R. CUMMINGS: That I'm not sure, Miss Nancy. I already told you the same as what Terry said. It's probably due to her attorney, his advice.​

There's a lot more deception from both Ron and his lawyer, from this and other interviews.

 

[oh_gal]

"My dumb b**ch girlfriend........."

"Why'd you let my daughter get stole, b**ch?"

"The biological mom's wah wah story..."

"Man, get outta my face."

....punching out his brother in law.


.........I could go on.

Not his most stellar moments, that's for sure...

 

[mck16]

Txlady, i agree with you on this. NG was trying to push his buttons, people expect him to be hot headed (on a side note, i think that is what is causing people to judge him so harshly on here) NG was trying to get a reaction, one of anger out of him and she failed. His lawyers are probably helping him make a better image of himself. He probably wants people to take him seriously and not think he's some hot head druggie.

I am appalled at all the assumptions and judging that he's on drugs, he is controlling Misty, he's this and that; when the people that are saying these things don't even know him personally.

It's understandable he would be upset and cuss out missing the night Haleigh went missing. People react in different ways to situations, and i probably would have done the same as him. It doesn't mean he himself did something bad to Haleigh.

NG is very rude to the people she has on her show, whether they be lawyers, doctors, it's a wonder anyone even goes on there at all!

She should at least let people finish their sentences..

I totally agree with Everything you said in this post. I don't know what other people see that I don't that has convinced them of anyone's guilt. JMO

 

[Leila]

ITA about the duration of the marriage. It was just what many of us here predicted from the beginning, or maybe a little more.

I guess you're also right that it's not really Nancy's business or anybody else's why they're getting a divorce but on the other hand, why would you go to a Nancy Grace tv show to discuss your divorce if you're not prepared and willing to discuss it? It seems silly.

I got to watch NG on the third repeat broadcast here. I found myself wondering why RC would go on NG if all he's going to say is "I don't know." It seems that there was a lot of hesitation on RC's part to reveal anything, although with his attorney there, he may have been constrained from talking about certain aspects.

I'm not sure at this point if we're any closer to finding Haleigh. Misty has gone off to Orlando to stay with friends and Misty's mother is in jail in Tennessee on charges unrelated to Haleigh. Unless there's something going on beneath the surface, something we're not privy to, I don't see where this investigation is moving forward.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I got to watch NG on the third repeat broadcast here. I found myself wondering why RC would go on NG if all he's going to say is "I don't know." It seems that there was a lot of hesitation on RC's part to reveal anything, although with his attorney there, he may have been constrained from talking about certain aspects.

I'm not sure at this point if we're any closer to finding Haleigh. Misty has gone off to Orlando to stay with friends and Misty's mother is in jail in Tennessee on charges unrelated to Haleigh. Unless there's something going on beneath the surface, something we're not privy to, I don't see where this investigation is moving forward.

BBM.

I got the feeling that this was a BIG announcement and Ron and his atty's wanted everyone to know about the split. It seemed to be more of a PR move to me than anything else.

 

[Granna6]

I agree with you except the bolded statement above. When have you observed him being disrespectful to anyone and who was it? We just haven't seen him interact with too many people. At least I haven't.

Anytime that I have seen him on TV or heard audio, he always seems to have an attitude. Maybe justly so. It stood out to me that he is always so gentlemanly and respectful towards "Miss Nancy."

 

[Jade]

Miss Nancy earned her paycheck tonight. Great job Nancy!!!

The look on Ron's face at the end of the show was priceless!!!

Help me to understand what is priceless.

That a father who has a missing daughter that by all logic is no longer alive is uncomfortable on national TV being grilled by a screechy narcissist for the benefit of the mewing masses?

That screen shot is sad and I take no pleasure in someone else’s pain no matter how different they are from me.

Obviously I don’t know the truth but until there is an arrest of RC he looks like a grieving father to me.

Forgive me if I am mistaken but it appears that there is gloating that a county boy was awkward on TV.

IMO

 

[debs]

I believe there is gloating because a county boy was caught lying on national television and at least this time, was called on it. He seems to have been getting a pass up until then.

I take no pleasure in his need for lying in the case of the disappearance of his daughter, Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings.

 

[kant]

Help me to understand what is priceless.

That a father who has a missing daughter that by all logic is no longer alive is uncomfortable on national TV being grilled by a screechy narcissist for the benefit of the mewing masses?

That screen shot is sad and I take no pleasure in someone else’s pain no matter how different they are from me.

Obviously I don’t know the truth but until there is an arrest of RC he looks like a grieving father to me.

Forgive me if I am mistaken but it appears that there is gloating that a county boy was awkward on TV.

IMO

bbm

From the posts Ive read here - and I've read all of them as far as I know, I didn't see any fellow poster here taking pleasure in anyone's pain. Nor did I see any posts reflecting that posters take issue with Ron b/c he may be "different" from them. That characterization would be, in effect, calling someone a tendentious bigot.

Additionally, I dont get the sense that anyone is gloating about anything; I do see expressions of relief that he was finally called on what people strongly feel to be lies. Also, I dont think that Ron being a "country boy" - if that's what he is - has anything at all to do with the way people feel about his comportment. In my opinion he's an abuser and a liar, among other things. The region from which he comes is irrelevant to me and has no bearing whatsoever on my opinion of his actions.

MOO
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[kiki the parrot]

There is relief, and hope for Haleigh, when anyone who appears not to have been entirely straightforward, is asked a tough question then held accountable... in the city, or the country... in the case of a missing child. Period. JMO

arrot:

 

[MeoW333]

Help me to understand what is priceless.

That a father who has a missing daughter that by all logic is no longer alive is uncomfortable on national TV being grilled by a screechy narcissist for the benefit of the mewing masses?

That screen shot is sad and I take no pleasure in someone else’s pain no matter how different they are from me.

Obviously I don’t know the truth but until there is an arrest of RC he looks like a grieving father to me.

Forgive me if I am mistaken but it appears that there is gloating that a county boy was awkward on TV.

IMO

:clap: Very good post, Jade, i agree..

It seems so many on here are quick to jump on Ron, as he lives a different lifestyle. Unless we know him personally, we have no way of knowing how he grieves. Everyone grieves differently.
People have been judging him by his past troubles, the way he lives that he's "country", they've been making fun.
I've not heard LE say that Ron is the key. People are acting all happy when NG (who seems to be rude woman seeking ratings) puts him in an uncomfortable situation. I think Ron's lawyers are telling him what to say and what not to say.
NG tried to get Ron all mad so that those who keep saying he is a hothead will be proven right. Ron didn't fall for it. He showed more class than NG, who constantly cut off people and wouldn't let them finish their statements, answers to questions she asked them.
Ron didn't trash talk anyone on NG, he beat around the bush rather than answering questions that may have made him feel uncomfortable or his lawyers and LE may have told him not to answer. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Muffet]

I know some poor country boys, and I'd never dare to lump them in with the likes of anyone with RC's history and attitude, which I think they'd refer to as punk, among other names I can't type.

IMO, Opinions about Ron are no more due to economic class than our opinions of Punk Daddy (or OJ or whoever) are due to racism.

In both cases, those are just excuses and distractions from the actual behaviors at issue. imo

 

[kant]

I know some poor country boys, and I'd never dare to lump them in with the likes of anyone with RC's history and attitude, which I think they'd refer to as punk, among other names I can't type.

IMO, Opinions about Ron are no more due to economic class than our opinions of Punk Daddy (or OJ or whoever) are due to racism.

In both cases, those are just excuses and distractions from the actual behaviors at issue. imo

Exactly; Good grief; If Ron's appearances on NG make him seem "country" to some people, so what. A whole side of my family is as "country" as can be and I think it's awesome. So no lumping from me here either, Muffet. Iow, imo "country" does not equal "bad" or "guilty" or any other pejorative term for that matter.

MOO

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[Jade]

I believe there is gloating because a county boy was caught lying on national television and at least this time, was called on it. He seems to have been getting a pass up until then.

I take no pleasure in his need for lying in the case of the disappearance of his daughter, Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings.

Thank you for your honest post- nicely stated.


Sorry for double posts- all excited trying to reply!

 

[Jade]

I know some poor country boys, and I'd never dare to lump them in with the likes of anyone with RC's history and attitude, which I think they'd refer to as punk, among other names I can't type.

IMO, Opinions about Ron are no more due to economic class than our opinions of Punk Daddy (or OJ or whoever) are due to racism.

In both cases, those are just excuses and distractions from the actual behaviors at issue. imo

Well, I don’t know where you live but RC is not unusual nor is any of the others and their attendant lifestyle. Take a look at the stats for education and prison populations.

Maybe you live in one of those country gentleman areas but there are more like RC than not like him in economically depressed areas of Florida.

Actually I take that back because I can’t think of another young father who has tried to make a home and a life with his kids in his custody.

I am not excusing or making distractions I am just saying that is the way many, many people live their lives and act and it doesn’t necessarily mean they have killed their child!

Nothing wrong with being thought countrified unless that is a form of insult as it is on here.

Bias against perceived country and southerners is documented to the point of the loss of regional accents as training is taken to lose a southern draw and correct slang language. If you don’t believe it ask a southerner with an accent who has spent time up north.


IMO

 

[kiki the parrot]

I couldn't care less about accents or grammar, I'd settle for a little consistency and integrity (vs eg dumb b* one day and "Mizz" or "ma'am" the next). Nor have I lost any sense of place... I know exactly where I am (on a crimes board) and where they are... in the middle of a missing child investigation, acting like hoodlums and h#llions, arrested for assault, burglary... There's no point in playing the Class or Country Card either Muffet's right, it is diversionary and peripheral to actual issues of why Haleigh vanished. JMO
arrot:

 

[Muffet]

Well, I don’t know where you live but RC is not unusual nor is any of the others and their attendant lifestyle. Take a look at the stats for education and prison populations.

Maybe you live in one of those country gentleman areas but there are more like RC than not like him in economically depressed areas of Florida.

Actually I take that back because I can’t think of another young father who has tried to make a home and a life with his kids in his custody.

I am not excusing or making distractions I am just saying that is the way many, many people live their lives and act and it doesn’t necessarily mean they have killed their child!

Nothing wrong with being thought countrified unless that is a form of insult as it is on here.

Bias against perceived country and southerners is documented to the point of the loss of regional accents as training is taken to lose a southern draw and correct slang language. If you don’t believe it ask a southerner with an accent who has spent time up north.


IMO

My post was a response to comments like these:

"That a father who has a missing daughter that by all logic is no longer alive is uncomfortable on national TV being grilled by a screechy narcissist for the benefit of the mewing masses?

I take no pleasure in someone else’s pain no matter how different they are from me."

"Forgive me if I am mistaken but it appears that there is gloating that a county boy was awkward on TV."

"It seems so many on here are quick to jump on Ron, as he lives a different lifestyle."​

I said blaming our thrill over things like his being grilled for lying on bias of mewling masses against his class, or merely being "different" is like race-baiting, IMO.

As to your last, as a Texan and I am aware of the biases. (Though we must confess the prejudice goes both ways. )

But neither that prejudice nor the fact that a lot of people who haven't killed their child do other bad things is a reason to demand
a) that we not scorn bad behaviors when we see them, or
b) that they don't deserve scrutiny as possible factors in a tragedy.