2009.11.06 Forensic Entomology Report Released #2

[ThinkTank]

Forensic entomology investigation on lab report:
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161914/detail.html
3 pages
Neal Haskell opinion about decomp in trunk

 

[jennyb]

I think she was put out with chloroform and the duct tape added and then put in the trunk. Actually, I think this was all done in the trunk. It could have been done in the garage. But I think it was done in the trunk area and that Caylee was still alive, but unconscious. How long she stayed unconscious I don't know. Do you stay unconscious if you are unable to breathe? I am serious about that question. It is important - goes to suffering.

I've always thought she died in the trunk. But that the tape may have been placed while she was somewhat restrained in her car seat. Tape around wrists then around face.

BUT if chloroform was used to knock her out first ... not to spare her suffering but to spare the murderer any resistance from the victim...

My big question has always been what you ask too. If someone is knocked out with chloroform, which is fast acting and only a short-term method (I've read 15 minutes) would she have woken up and suffered mightily while struggling for breath? If her nose and mouth were taped would she have died without ever waking up? Would she, even if she was chloroformed first, have woken before the 15 minutes (the life-force is strong, maybe strong enough to counter a knock-out drug when you're fighting for breath...)

GOES TO SUFFERING as you say.

 

[Intermezzo]

Forensic entomology investigations report of diagnostic lab. addendum
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161914/detail.html

Dr. Haskell....if I'm reading this correctly...

Well this appears to show decomp in the trunk of the vehicle..taken from CA's vacuums....Oh dear, what's the defense team to do...JMHO


Justice for Caylee

I was hoping for vacuum reports and so happy to see they reinforce the initial decomp and bug reports.

Cindy may have changed the dirt bag but did not change the filter - whew!

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161914/detail.html

The Filters from vacuum(s) in the A home that was sent to Haskell :skip:

SUMMARY of FINDINGS

The insect evidence recovered from these filters supports the presence of decomposing remains being present in the trunk of the car as detailed in my initial report. The insects recovered do not alter my conclusions or initial findings in an way other than to reinforce the already stated conclusions in the original findings on the case insect analysis...of the trash bag and the trunk of the car.

 

[Tulessa]

Forensic entomology investigations report of diagnostic lab. addendum
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161914/detail.html

Dr. Haskell....if I'm reading this correctly...

Well this appears to show decomp in the trunk of the vehicle..taken from CA's vacuums....Oh dear, what's the defense team to do...JMHO


Justice for Caylee

Michael Vincent provided filters from vacumed samples of the mother's car trumk which was in question. It was stated to me that the car trunk had been cleaned at time prior to being received into police custody by Casey Anthony's mother.
The insect evidence recovered from these filters supports the presence of decomposing remains being present in the trunk of the car as detailed in my initial report. The insects recovered do not altar my conclusions ot initial findings in any way other than to reinforce the already stated conclusions in the original findings on the insect analysis of the trash bag and the trunk of the car.

Can we safely say, tampering with a crime scene, tampering with evidence???

BBM

 

[tankgirl]

Where is it clearly stated that the filters came from the A's household vacuum cleaners? I sure hope that they did but this isn't clear to me. Did OCSO's lab take vacuum samples of their own? Excuse me if I've overlooked something.
The ugly just keeps piling up, doesn't it?

 

[Tulessa]

Where is it clearly stated that the filters came from the A's household vacuum cleaners? I sure hope that they did but this isn't clear to me. Did OCSO's lab take vacuum samples of their own? Excuse me if I've overlooked something.
The ugly just keeps piling up, doesn't it?

I don't think these came from the A's VC, but from the labs. What I was referring to was CA cleaning out the trunk of the car.

 

[Intermezzo]

Where is it clearly stated that the filters came from the A's household vacuum cleaners? I sure hope that they did but this isn't clear to me. Did OCSO's lab take vacuum samples of their own? Excuse me if I've overlooked something.
The ugly just keeps piling up, doesn't it?

I thought it was CSI's filters after they vacuumed the trunk of the car, then I looked at the date of the first Article and thought these must be from the vacuums seized from the A home in Dec 2008

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161914/detail.html
Look at the Addendum
The Date Haskell received Article 1 was Dec 21 2008 after LE conducted a search of the A home and removed vacuums etc...

Now the other Articles received had dates of July 17, 2008

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HMMMM
Just don't know..

 

[Tulessa]

At first I thought it was CSI's filters after they vacuumed the trunk of the car

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161914/detail.html
Look at the Addendum
The Date Haskell received Article 1 was Dec 21 2008 after LE conducted a search of the A home and removed vacuums etc...
then I thought..well they knew Cindy vacuumed the car and so it must be the filters from her vacuums...

But then you have this?
Michael Vincent provided filters from vacumed samples of the mother's car trumk

So I'm thinking it was filters from the lab?

 

[Intermezzo]

But then you have this?
Michael Vincent provided filters from vacumed samples of the mother's car trumk

So I'm thinking it was filters from the lab?

:innocent:
Yes, I read that over and over...and thought the same...
I can't say for certain ..:banghead:

 

[Tulessa]

:innocent:
Yes, I read that over and over...and thought the same...
I can't say for certain ..:banghead:

LMAO Just scoot over. We'll tie on a good one!! :floorlaugh:

 

[Intermezzo]

LMAO Just scoot over. We'll tie on a good one!! :floorlaugh:

:blowkiss:

:rollercoaster:

 

[kaRN]

I found that report to have been of very little forensic value.

 

[Wisteria]

IMO- these samples were given by LE csi lab, having swept the car out themselves with the special vacuums with filters...

THey were noting that the car was cleaned prior to custody by the mother IMO to imply that the car SHOULD have contained more evidence.

However, this is not clearly stated- samples taken by _______ of the OCSO.... OR filters obtained from the A family home vacuums.

SPeaking of which..... Didn't we read about the vacuum cleaners from the A family home? Where is that info???

 

[kaRN]

Forensic entomology investigation on lab report:
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161914/detail.html
3 pages
Neal Haskell opinion about decomp in trunk

:woohoo::great::rocker: Thank you TT!!!

 

[tankgirl]

:innocent:
Yes, I read that over and over...and thought the same...
I can't say for certain ..:banghead:

Oh well. Look at it this way: That insect material was found about 5 months after the mysterious event.
Considering how often the A's probably used their vacuum cleaners over that amount of time, OR the fact that the trunk had already been vacuumed before OCSO had their turn, it would seem to stand to reason that there were LOTS of decomp-loving bugs in that trunk at some point.

Either way, not much help to the defense.

 

[Tulessa]

I found that report to have been of very little forensic value.

But if it's only one teeny tiny grain of sand( in this instance, insect parts ) in Caylee's favor, it will mean a LOT in the long run....

 

[AZlawyer]

I'm not too familir with how experts normally function in these kinds of cases, but is it normal that Huntington was given the report from Dr Haskell? It seems like he was basically handed something and told "here, now say it's worthless." I had always thought that experts were independent of each other and that's what made their opinions valid. :waitasec:

It is very normal and appropriate.

 

[Macushla]

This report may be one of the things the defense did right. Depending on how personable Dr. Huntington appears, he may well persuade jurors that Dr. Haskill's report was in error. Of all the reports I have read, this one has the most potential to make a good impression on the jury.

 

[logicalgirl]

I thought it was CSI's filters after they vacuumed the trunk of the car, then I looked at the date of the first Article and thought these must be from the vacuums seized from the A home in Dec 2008

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161914/detail.html
Look at the Addendum
The Date Haskell received Article 1 was Dec 21 2008 after LE conducted a search of the A home and removed vacuums etc...

Now the other Articles received had dates of July 17, 2008

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HMMMM
Just don't know..

After reading the news reports it appears you are correct about the CSI's vacuum cleaners!

 

[strawberry]

He notes that DNA analysis of the maggot guts would have been helpful. I wonder if this means that this was not done, or the defense just assumes it was not since no results released. If not, I wonder why not? I too thought this would have been a given.