2009.12.11 Discuss Motions hearing. One year to the day Caylee Found #1

[Bittiness39]

I think JB was giving very important information. He said she wasn't there! Your living in a fairy land.

If you really look at that statement, you can see he is saying she wasn't there. Perhaps showing that they are not going to go with the accident defense. I found this to be useful information.

In light of that, he was giving important information. KB continued to interupt him and the other reporters until he finally he got frustrated and left. Thanks a lot KB for ruining it for all of us. I found the other reporters to be polite and move out of the way for him. She just ruined it for everyone. I wish she would be respectful and polite so we can all hear what he has to say. This was my take on it and IMO.

With all polite respect :blushing: I think the defense is going with the "poke holes in the prosecution's case" defense. Nothing wrong with that...except they, the defense have been telling any media outlet that would listen, that they have actual proof KC didn't do it. I would bet my life on the fact that they don't have said proof (life is very precious to me). Their client lives in a fantasy land where hot nannies babysit children for free...and in my opinion won't back off that story...so they are left with...trying to get an "ah ha" moment in front of the jury. There is nothing to suggest there was not a dead child (however sick and sad and depressing that is) rotting in KC's car. The only thing to me that is open territory is whether or not Caylee's death was gross negligence (duct taping your child's mouth shut and throwing her in the trunk because you'd rather boink your boyfriend) or accidental or intentional. Nothing I have read or seen about KC rules out intentional.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I thought you had no rights in jail :loser:

When you are a "Princess" you should have every right that you want. That is what Lyons is trying to get for her. Lyons makes me want to throwup. She thinks she is the "Queen of the Death Penalty." She reminds me of someone who would run rigiht over the top of anyone that got in her way. I hope she finds that the judge is a lot bigger then her.

Showing Baez after the hearing...he is so sickening and such a media .

 

[2goldfish]

If you really look at that statement, you can see he is saying she wasn't there. Perhaps showing that they are not going to go with the accident defense. I found this to be useful information.

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I didnt think of it that way. and a big mistake IMO cause they are never gonna throw up enough SODDI dust to block out the 31 days.

 

[LambChop]

I think JB was giving very important information. He said she wasn't there! Your living in a fairy land.

If you really look at that statement, you can see he is saying she wasn't there. Perhaps showing that they are not going to go with the accident defense. I found this to be useful information.

In light of that, he was giving important information. KB continued to interupt him and the other reporters until he finally he got frustrated and left. Thanks a lot KB for ruining it for all of us. I found the other reporters to be polite and move out of the way for him. She just ruined it for everyone. I wish she would be respectful and polite so we can all hear what he has to say. This was my take on it and IMO.

LOL: I believe if JB had anything important to say, he would have said it as it has NEVER stopped him before. If I am not mistaken reporters routinely interrupt others during questioning to get their question answered...they all do it. If a reporter is polite and respectful they usually do not get their questions answered. And he did answer KB's questions afterall, didn't he.

 

[Hot Dogs]

I was utterly shocked to hear that Caylee could have ripped off the duct tape, so this means that she would have had to have been restrained in some manner. I guess this lays out the prosecution's case.

Ashton contends that Caylee would have been able to remove the duct tape if she were not restrained? I hope the prosecution does not speculate during the trial. I hope their case is not based on suppositions and ideas.

They must show the jury that premeditated murder by Casey is the only possible thing that happened. Pin it down. Toss out things like "Caylee could have pulled off that tape on her own." If I'm on the jury, I don't want to hear that kind of talk.

He also mentioned something about Caylee being drugged or sedated? Again, please don't talk to me about that unless you've got evidence to prove it. State... please do not speculate during the trial. Put her away with the evidence gathered, and do not tell speculative stories to get it done.

 

[whiteangora]

"Aren't you asking me to reinvent the wheel?" ~SS

LOL I love it.

I think that little ditty covers how SS feels about this talkaholic Lyon.
I hope she doesn't change a thing about the way she blabs on and on, the jury will tune her out after 2 minutes.

 

[wenwe4]

I agree with ya LittleBitty 35. That is where the aggravating factors come into play with a child under the age of 12 making it a heinous crime. AL argued that little Caylee's remains didn't present with multiple fractures in various stages of healing, attempting to prove KC didn't have a history of physical abuse of her child. Unfortunately for the defense, this isn't about physical abuse of a child. It is about criminal neglect - in that if she in fact "wasn't there" when her child died and looked into the face of the killer, then who did KC leave Caylee with that would do that? That is criminal negligence in that she did not ultimately protect her child from harm and she did not notify authorities in a timely manner if the child was kidnapped to ensure risking further harm within the first hour of finding her daughter "missing". Furthermore, the law says something about "caging or confining a child" and I'm thinking the duct tape would fall within that category for aggravating circumstances surrounding the death.

 

[Coley]

Wow, KC is sure in for a wild ride. If she couldn't take Ashton's comments she won't be able to take a trial. ~~Time to take a plea~~

 

[kaRN]

well, that would be me. the last few pages of this thread I have been wondering to myself if they throw the accused out of court for hysterics and how would the trial EVER complete, cause I can tell you right now I'd be screaming and crying my head off. I'm not and never will be once of those strong quiet and shall I even say dignified people. If my little boy was murdered (and in two weeks he will be older than caylee ever got to be) you couldnt stop my screaming when they were discussing the details if you had 10 guns pointed at me. and i I were convicted? kill me. I wouldnt live without my baby anyways.

so, yours was post of the year IMO.

I believe the judge could and would throw (you or I LOL!) an accused out for hysterics especially in a pre-trial hearing. I'm not sure about a trial though. ITA with your reactions too. That's what drew me in to this case from the start.

Happy 3rd to your little one!!!!

 

[notthatsmart]

I don't want to come off as being mean, but you are really stuck on this "Not being there" thing. This is not a website for witnesses to actual murders who have solid facts.

We are here to discuss all theories and that includes her guilt, you can certaintly put forth theories about her being innocent, but we do not have to agree with you or only point out facts that contradict your theory. You will have to take the heat of the disagreements with your theories.

You said maybe someone attacked KC as well as Caylee, but this is not a possibility and is not reasonable because she was seen later on tape arm and arm with her boyfriend in Blockbuster video, no bruises, no scartaches and no concern about being attacked to anyone.
Actually, she has not claimed that to anyone at all through this entire ordeal.

Your theory did not fit and this is a simple discussion forum. We don't need to be factual just as you yourself are not factual with your theories.

Do you know something about time of death that I dont know? How does the BB video prove that she wasn't attacked? Is June 16th the time of death? Thats right, I wasn't there, so I don't know. I find that to be a very reasonable statement and here's a newsflash for all of us: The court is on a fact finding mission because none of us were there and none of us know. IMO

 

[LambChop]

Ashton contends that Caylee would have been able to remove the duct tape if she were not restrained? I hope the prosecution does not speculate during the trial. I hope their case is not based on suppositions and ideas.

They must show the jury that premeditated murder by Casey is the only possible thing that happened. Pin it down. Toss out things like "Caylee could have pulled off that tape on her own." If I'm on the jury, I don't want to hear that kind of talk.

He also mentioned something about Caylee being drugged or sedated? Again, please don't talk to me about that unless you've got evidence to prove it. State... please do not speculate during the trial. Put her away with the evidence gathered, and do not tell speculative stories to get it done.

Now, take KC out of the equation and tells us how you think Caylee got the duct tape, three rows to be exact, across her face?

 

[Debbie3223]

I don't believe those tears for one second.....Have never seen anyone poke their eyes like this, hoping and LOOKING for tears! Hope it's lost on Judge S.

prolly had tobasco sauce on the tip..to get her no tear poking get started...lol

 

[Jodibug]

We need to get some "Kathi Belich Fan Club" T-shirts printed on Cafe Press or something.

Love her, she is great at her job!

 

[Oakley]

Just saw the rest of prosecuting attorney Jeff Ashton's eloquent description of Caylee's torture and death. And the perp's reaction, tears for herself cause he just hit the nail on the head.

I was utterly shocked to hear that Caylee could have ripped off the duct tape, so this means that she would have had to have been restrained in some manner. I guess this lays out the prosecution's case.

I recall reading (please don't ask for a link) in one of the doc dumps that one of the strips of duct tape showing signs that Caylee may have attempted to pull the tape off her face. Anyone else recall that?

 

[Angel Who Cares]

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VIDEO REPORT: In Tears
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:angel:

 

[TruthSeeker]

Seriously?

You know - if anyone had been listening you'd know why they were both crying - it was because of the argument that AL was making that if Casey were to say hello Mom, good to see you, I love you certain members of the public and/or the internet would take that and tear it apart and make it into something that it wasn't. Seems to me some are making AL's case for her. Many talking about synchronized tears...come on...

For the record, I disagree with modification to OC jail policy for one prisoner and of course I have my opinions about KC's guilt. I am just consistently amazed at lack of compassion and the way things are twisted. I've seen posts about irresponsible media reporting and it makes me chuckle because look what's happening... The 'synchronized tears' comments are just a sensationalism of the truth about why they were crying. Then we complain and guffaw about AL's argument/speech, how horrible she is, and then the state gets up and the whole attitude changes - poor thing has froggy voice.

It's so easy for me to understand why people sometimes feel they can't get a fair trial. For me, all of the bias takes away from the facts of the case - and that's what I'm interested in; facts.

Now, don't get me wrong. I understand what she is accused of, what her parents have been accused of. I understand most of the aspects of the case, however, I can't even wrap my mind around all the directions their hearts must be torn in. I can't fathom having to deal with such scrutiny and sensationalism. As unpopular as my stance may be, I feel sorry for this family on so many levels. This doesn't take away from what KC is accused of doing - or minimize what Caylee may have endured at the hands of her mother, but I do have compassion for them.

I know everyone has their opinion - and I just wanted to share mine.

Refreshing post Caps. Everyone who was ever convicted of a crime was someone's child. Having compassion for what this family is going through in no way takes away from wanting justice for Caylee. On many levels my heart hurts for them. I know they never, in their wildest imagination, ever throught anything like this would happen to their grandaughter nor ever throught it would happen at their own daughter's hand.

 

[2goldfish]

Ashton contends that Caylee would have been able to remove the duct tape if she were not restrained? I hope the prosecution does not speculate during the trial. I hope their case is not based on suppositions and ideas.

They must show the jury that premeditated murder by Casey is the only possible thing that happened. Pin it down. Toss out things like "Caylee could have pulled off that tape on her own." If I'm on the jury, I don't want to hear that kind of talk.

He also mentioned something about Caylee being drugged or sedated? Again, please don't talk to me about that unless you've got evidence to prove it. State... please do not speculate during the trial. Put her away with the evidence gathered, and do not tell speculative stories to get it done.

BBM I dont think it was speculation, it was common sense. I have a child that age and I am KCs size, roughly. NOT THAT I EXPERIMENT but sense tells me the way he can fight off a bath he doesnt want, he sure could fight off a few strips of tape if he were not otherwise restrained.

(just for info, he isnt restrained in a bath either - dad holds his hands as he stands while I shower him with the handheld shower as fast as possible cause it's not a pretty situation - he doesnt fight once he is actually in there but he sure does scream )

And even if your common sense doesnt tell you that, I do think if it COULDNT be removed, there would be evidence on the remnants of the tape of being picked at in an attempt to remove it. I could very well be wrong, I tried very hard to avoid the duct tape photos as I cant handle them. so maybe they were too decomposed to tell that in either case.


there is yet another thing ashton answered for me actually is that the tape was severely decomposed. how do I know this? because he is still speculating between caylee being knocked out and being held down. in the JBR case one interesting thing was a perfect lip print on the duct tape - proof she was not conscious or likely alive at the time of placement. why? common sense again says a conscious, living child does not passively allow tape to be placed on their face, they bite at it, lick it, etc.


so actually the rotten tape doesnt help defense either, in the sense that IF the tape were postmortem as some speculate, there would be a perfect lip print thereby making an accident theory look more possible.

 

[wenwe4]

Ashton contends that Caylee would have been able to remove the duct tape if she were not restrained? I hope the prosecution does not speculate during the trial. I hope their case is not based on suppositions and ideas.

They must show the jury that premeditated murder by Casey is the only possible thing that happened. Pin it down. Toss out things like "Caylee could have pulled off that tape on her own." If I'm on the jury, I don't want to hear that kind of talk.

He also mentioned something about Caylee being drugged or sedated? Again, please don't talk to me about that unless you've got evidence to prove it. State... please do not speculate during the trial. Put her away with the evidence gathered, and do not tell speculative stories to get it done.

To be fair, wasn't that done when defense stated they have proof Caylee's body was not in the woods until after KC was incarcerated?

 

[Bobbisangel]

AL just paused to ask SS if he had any questions! Wow!

You know the judge isn't nearly as brilliant as Lyons is and she is just being thoughtful to stop and make sure that he is getting everything. I saw him writing down some things while she talked. Probably words she spoke that he didn't understand and will look up later before he makes his decision :furious:

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

Rather than dismiss the motion about future jailhouse videos, it sounds like OCSO would not object if Judge Strickland decided to delay the release of these videos until after trial. If there was nothing in these videos of evidentiary value, the only harm in delaying the release is to the amount of profit the media would make from the release of these videos.
That seems like a fair solution, and would allow for visitation from CA, GA, and LA to KC without every irrelevant action, emotion, or words said being plastered all over the internet and television. As always moo.