2010.05.11 - Casey Anthony Death Penalty Motions Hearing

[AZlawyer]

In my opinion this should help to steer the average follower of this case, as well as the defense, in the route that the SA is going to take.

For example: Whether or not they are ACTUALLY going to say that Casey chloroformed Caylee. I tend to think that they will use the minor clause as the aggravating factor, as the aforementioned seems totally absurd on many levels!

Will be interesting to see. For me at least, as I am very "legal and/or "justice minded, and up to this point I have been very disheartened with the SA.

I suppose the use of chloroform might add "planning and premeditaion" as an aggravating factor (otherwise, why would you have chloroform handy?), but remove "heinous and cruel" as a factor (because presumably it was used to prevent suffering).

 

[Amil]

Who are all the extra women behind the defense table? Geez, everyday it's more.

Those are Andrea's ladies- in- waiting - they came with her and they'll leave with her.

 

[Whome?]

I saw that too and wondered if we watched the same hearing. :waitasec:

Sometimes I wonder what Jean C of Tru TV has had for lunch,some of her
comments are :woohoo::waitasec:

 

[Mamabear1963]

No I most certainly have not. At this point in time I also can not say with certainty that the duct tape was used to kill Caylee.

Used to kill her or not...
if it was placed before death...let's talk aggravated child abuse

if placed after death...to stage kidnapping...to keep in fluids...come on...does it matter...

duct tape and babies do NOT go together EVER

 

[LambChop]

Yes--the leeway granted to the defense re: the silly expert witness was to make sure that there was no appeal issue. HHJP had to deny the motion because it was groundless, but he didn't want the defense to go to the appeal court and say, "Oh, but if we'd only had a chance to put on our expert witness, HHJP would have had to grant the motion." So he listened to the silly witness and THEN denied the motion. Excellent decision, and it shows why he rarely gets overruled on appeal.

The State definitely came out on top today. Regarding the aggravating factors motion, I think they will ultimately realize it is a good thing they lost that one, because the ruling again removed an appellate issue from the table.

Let's hope defense has witnesses that present better than this one. This person appears to have opinions not necessarily based on facts. To say women are not treated the same in DP cases and then in the next breath to say there just are not that many cases to comment on would leave a juror scratching their head.

KC is the one who stated to LE that she was looking for her daughter everywhere she knew ZFG would normally be. The barn door is open on this one. The fact that KC dressed up and decided to join others on the dance floor and have a couple of beers will make the jury wonder why it was necessary to get "partied up" when she was only searching for her daughter. The pictures prove that this, again, is another one of KC's lies. jmo

 

[suzihawk]

No I most certainly have not. At this point in time I also can not say with certainty that the duct tape was used to kill Caylee.

I'm curious... how do you think the duct tape factors in then? Do you think it was placed on the face/skull after the fact? By whom?

 

[Macushla]

I know you were :innocent: Sometimes I think when discussing such a serious case that "jokes" can lead others astray from what is fact though. I agree with the rest of your statement

I bet you just hate it when JB does his comic routine during hearings, just like I do!

 

[Mamabear1963]

Those are Andrea's ladies- in- waiting - they came with her and they'll leave with her.

Why did this make me laugh?:angel:

 

[Leila]

I didn't get to watch the hearing live, but have watched several of the videos. I haven't had a chance to read this entire thread, but a thought keeps going through my mind and I don't know if anyone here has addressed this.............

George wasn't in the courtroom today. Maybe he's got a job and is working today, or maybe he just didn't want to attend today's hearing. But, I found it interesting that in the past Casey hasn't acknowledged her parents when they've been in the courtroom. And then today, when it was only Cindy and George was absent, Casey did acknowledge her mother.

It makes me wonder if Casey is purposely not acknowledging her parents when George is there. Is it George she's angry with?

 

[whiteangora]

In my opinion this should help to steer the average follower of this case, as well as the defense, in the route that the SA is going to take.

For example: Whether or not they are ACTUALLY going to say that Casey chloroformed Caylee. I tend to think that they will use the minor clause as the aggravating factor, as the aforementioned seems totally absurd on many levels!

Will be interesting to see. For me at least, as I am very "legal and/or "justice minded, and up to this point I have been very disheartened with the SA.

The aggravating factors will be listed in broad terms with little or no detail of the State's intended theories. AFAIK, these are the 4 aggravating factors:

• The capital felony involved aggravated child abuse
• It was premeditated
• The victim was under the age of 12
• The defendant was the victim's parent (snipped from article)

http://www.wesh.com/news/23488034/detail.html

 

[Astraea]

BBM

They are linked in the Today's News thread stickied at the top. Post #11, I believe.

I find it incredible that you would comment at all in multiple posts doubting what is being said in this thread by people who watched the past 3 hours, considering you admit yourself you haven't viewed a minute of it. I'm not vouching for the entire content of every post/poster, but maybe just go watch for yourself before attempting to refute what people are saying here.

As to the witness, the main problem was the defense did not Notice the SA that they would have a witness testifying, affording the SA no time to familarize themselves with the witness or prepare for cross-exam. You should be familiar with that argument since the defense has been complaining about the same thing for the past 20+ months.

I was not refuting and/or doubting anything that was posted in this thread in the post that you have quoted. It is MY experience that judges OFTEN allow witnesses without notification. Most people seemed very amazed by this fact, and it is not as rare as one may think. That was my point.

 

[Astraea]

The aggravating factors will be listed in broad terms with little or no detail of the State's intended theories. AFAIK, these are the 4 aggravating factors:

• The capital felony involved aggravated child abuse
• It was premeditated
• The victim was under the age of 12
• The defendant was the victim's parent (snipped from article)

http://www.wesh.com/news/23488034/detail.html

It WILL make a difference to me, as well as give me a notion of the SAs intended path. The first two you have listed vs the last two are game changers imho!

 

[Turnadot]

I'm curious... how do you think the duct tape factors in then? Do you think it was placed on the face/skull after the fact? By whom?

This isn't my position, but one could argue that KC accidentally killed Caylee, and KC used the tape and heart sticker as part of staging to lend credence to her kidnapping story.

 

[logicalgirl]

I didn't get to watch the hearing live, but have watched several of the videos. I haven't had a chance to read this entire thread, but a thought keeps going through my mind and I don't know if anyone here has addressed this.............

George wasn't in the courtroom today. Maybe he's got a job and is working today, or maybe he just didn't want to attend today's hearing. But, I found it interesting that in the past Casey hasn't acknowledged her parents when they've been in the courtroom. And then today, when it was only Cindy and George was absent, Casey did acknowledge her mother.

It makes me wonder if Casey is purposely not acknowledging her parents when George is there. Is it George she's angry with?

I thought it was because the words, "guilty" and "death penalty" have mentioned matter of factly in the courtroom several times now, and ICA finally realizes what a serious "spot" she is in.It's not a lark to be in court anymore. And she wants their support.

 

[Whome?]

This was noted before but I can't find the post (sorry) I agree all this hugging,and petting on KC is sickening. I want to know who was there to hug and pet Caylee and
tell her everything was going to be alright. I hope someone comntacts the court just like
they did about the bailiff with the note yesterday,and raise that concern that per JP's
rules of decorum this is not allowed. If KC was woman enough to do the crime,stand up and be woman enough to do the time.

 

[Astraea]

I bet you just hate it when JB does his comic routine during hearings, just like I do!

Yes JB gets on my nerves for MANY reasons, as does the SA. I was pleased to read that JP finally admonished JA today I might add! Would love a recording of this hearing, but am only going off the word of posters at this point

 

[debbie0604]

Let's hope defense has witnesses that present better than this one. This person appears to have opinions not necessarily based on facts. To say women are not treated the same in DP cases and then in the next breath to say there just are not that many cases to comment on would leave a juror scratching their head.

KC is the one who stated to LE that she was looking for her daughter everywhere she knew ZFG would normally be. The barn door is open on this one. The fact that KC dressed up and decided to join others on the dance floor and have a couple of beers will make the jury wonder why it was necessary to get "partied up" when she was only searching for her daughter. The pictures prove that this, again, is another one of KC's lies. jmo

Why would her daughter be at a nightclub? That's always bothered me... IIRC, she didn't say she was looking for ZFG at that nightclub, she was looking at places where her daughter would be. Why would Caylee be at a nightclub? :waitasec: Yes it will open the door allright...

 

[beach]

Is this witness a law graduate? From Harvard? If so, I tend to wonder how "silly" she really must be. Could someone refresh me on her credentials? Thanks in advance

'Quite frankly', no we can't too well. Considering the only one who WAS familiar with her was Andrea Lyon, and possibly CM/JB.

I directed you to Today's News thread where the videos are linked. You can find out as much as we know AND THE SA, about her there.

 

[whiteangora]

It WILL make a difference to me, as well as give me a notion of the SAs intended path. The first two you have listed vs the last two are game changers imho!

You may be interested in the other 2 factors the State may or may not use:
"There are two other aggravating circumstances the state may or may not try to prove. One of them is that the defendant benefited financially from the victim's death. The other is that the alleged slaying was especially heinous, atrocious or cruel."
http://www.wesh.com/news/23488034/detail.html

 

[Astraea]

I'm curious... how do you think the duct tape factors in then? Do you think it was placed on the face/skull after the fact? By whom?

I think that there are many different possibilites at this point in time. I do not discount that my opinion may change when the trial is underway though.