2010.06.09 Prosecutors File for 911 Calls to Come into Trial

[ynotdivein]

It seems he has the attitude of one who thinks he is beyond reproach and does not need to bother with all the minutiae and facts of a case. HE will tell you what he has to say and you will like it. You have no place questioning him because you didn't go to law school. He will answer your questions quickly, confidently and in a way that makes you sound stupid for asking them. Forget substance. Forget facts, it's all a 'sale' to him. This may have been great back in the 70's, before the internet age, but he comes across imo as a bit of a relic. He tries to cash in on the 'good ole boy' vibe, but he doesn't understand - the world has moved on.

I don't even know how to say this without seeming to cast aspersions upon my elders, which is NOT my intent, but... is the defense shoving CM into the spotlight because they presume that they will be able to challenge their way to an older jury pool? Who may not be as MS/FB-WS-up-to-the-millisecond savvy as might be a jury that skewed younger? Who may chortle their way along with CM to an eventual NG verdict?

Oops, duct tape evidence. Nevermind...

This is my opinion. I really don't get how people like him sleep at night or how they feel good about what they do...it's not a defense he is putting up, it's just a shell game and a prayer that the prosecution screws up. In a perfect world he would be sanctioned for his obtuse arrogance and shameful unprofessionalism.. Again, just opinion. Sorry if o/t

Our, and Caylee's, best defense against a bearded charlatan is IMO the EVIDENCE. Aw-shucks your way past that duct tape, Cheney. I dare ya.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

cheney mason should have staid retired jmo.

he mumbles his way thru every hearing and doesnt seem to have a basic grasp of the facts of the case. is this all intentional? are they setting casey up with as many incompetent lawyers as possible so she can win on appeal?

LMAO...

His plan is to have a circus of a trial and plead her guilty...I can't wait for this to get underway...

The prosecutors will make minced meat out of CA, GA and ICA...I do wonder if LA will still say, he believes everything his sister tells him...:waitasec:

It's appalling that in all of this, precious Caylee is not being focused on. What mother doesn't immediately report a child allegedly kidnapped or not returned? What mother contends to do her own investigation under bar stools and stripper poles while being drunk as a skunk???

I do believe, once a jury hears of the non reporting of Caylee being taken or never returned (depends on which story the defense finally sticks with) it will be checkmate for ICA...JMHO


Justice for Caylee

 

[Solace]

LMAO...

His plan is to have a circus of a trial and plead her guilty...I can't wait for this to get underway...

The prosecutors will make minced meat out of CA, GA and ICA...I do wonder if LA will still say, he believes everything his sister tells him...:waitasec:

It's appalling that in all of this, precious Caylee is not being focused on. What mother doesn't immediately report a child allegedly kidnapped or not returned? What mother contends to do her own investigation under bar stools and stripper poles while being drunk as a skunk???

I do believe, once a jury hears of the non reporting of Caylee being taken or never returned (depends on which story the defense finally sticks with) it will be checkmate for ICA...JMHO


Justice for Caylee

The only way there will be an appeal is if she gets death; other than that, the way Judge PERRY goes by the BOOK and decides by the RULES and cites CASES for every decision he makes, will seal her fate.

And Chaney looks and acts like he hasn't practiced law a day in his life. To say we don't know when the child went missing is a stretch even for him. Casey says 31 days - now what are they going to say, Casey was lying about that because she felt threatened and she was actually only missing for two days and Zanny actually had her and was in touch with Casey daily and on and on and on.

Cheney needs a good night's sleep - because all that rhetoric coming out of his mouth is lacking logic to say the least.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I feel Cheney may be suffering from early signs of dementia, IMO...he mumbles most of his words, he's a tad forgetful, IMO...

I guess between him and Baez, she's got her "dream team" alright!

Once seems more ignorant than the other.

First rule of credibility:
Do not insult the intelligence of judge or jurors.

I think this is what Cheney has done from the start, only it started with HHSS, if he continues to insult the intelligence of HHBP, he will be in a world of chit...His Honor doesn't take nonsense, he knows his law, he knows his procedures and hasn't had one case overturned on appeal...This was the best move the defense had made in 2 years time...getting a new judge on the case that takes no nonsense and is the Cheif Justice in that courthouse...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[Patriciao]

It seems he has the attitude of one who thinks he is beyond reproach and does not need to bother with all the minutiae and facts of a case. HE will tell you what he has to say and you will like it. You have no place questioning him because you didn't go to law school. He will answer your questions quickly, confidently and in a way that makes you sound stupid for asking them. Forget substance. Forget facts, it's all a 'sale' to him. This may have been great back in the 70's, before the internet age, but he comes across imo as a bit of a relic. He tries to cash in on the 'good ole boy' vibe, but he doesn't understand - the world has moved on.

This is my opinion. I really don't get how people like him sleep at night or how they feel good about what they do...it's not a defense he is putting up, it's just a shell game and a prayer that the prosecution screws up. In a perfect world he would be sanctioned for his obtuse arrogance and shameful unprofessionalism.. Again, just opinion. Sorry if o/t

I agree with your opinion 100%. That is exactly what I think of him too!

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

Well, thank you everyone for clearing that up...when I read yesterday that CM said he didn't know when the child went missing...I just signed off because I figured I took a wrong turn somewhere in my following of this case. :waitasec:

I was thinking, now they are going to argue that Caylee was missing for 31 days? I mean, that is the only story Casey has not changed.

:twocents:

 

[Aedrys]

Hello WS

Well, thank you everyone for clearing that up...when I read yesterday that CM said he didn't know when the child went missing...I just signed off because I figured I took a wrong turn somewhere in my following of this case. :waitasec:

I was thinking, now they are going to argue that Caylee was missing for 31 days? I mean, that is the only story Casey has not changed.

:twocents:

Chiquita, I feel like I take wrong turns with this case every hearing when the defense opens their mouths. Sometimes they just make me want to hit my head against the steering wheel over and over again. Thank GOD for places like Websleuths to steer me back on the road before I crash!

 

[kbl8201]

Hello WS

Well, thank you everyone for clearing that up...when I read yesterday that CM said he didn't know when the child went missing...I just signed off because I figured I took a wrong turn somewhere in my following of this case. :waitasec:

I was thinking, now they are going to argue that Caylee was missing for 31 days? I mean, that is the only story Casey has not changed.

:twocents:

give her time. stil almost a year for her to change that too.

seems the defense lawyers reality switch is turned off. remember at the death penalty motion hearing? lyons claimed there was no evidednce caylee was even murdered! i guess she just spontaneously combusted!

 

[The World According]

Hi Dignity,

You are 1000% right. I have listened to this call and I have not heard many talk about the fact that at one point Cindy tells George that Caylee is missing (George tells prosecutors and others he was not there when the call took place) CINDY IS CLEARLY TALKING to George and can barely get his name out (three times) telling him Caylee is missing and you can hear George say WHAT?

Cindy also tells prosecutors that Lee grabbed her during this call - George tells prosecutors he had to hold Cindy. Apparently, she was anything but steady on her feet.

It is an agonizing call and it should be heard because if she is acting, Meryl Streep should tune in and get a lesson. BUT SHE IS NOT ACTING.

Chaney today was annoyed with the questions from Kathy Melich when she said Cindy talked to her co workers about the smell in the car and was worried. Has Chaney been hanging around the Anthonys too long and decided that the biggest lie will work.

Lately his actions in Court for lack of a better word 'SUCKKKKKKKK'. He has been embarrassed by Judge Perry on two occasions for lack of expertise. He knows it and Perry just stares pokar faced at him. Don't you just love it when Perry goes for a decision and inevitably looks at the RULE book and starts his answer. Perry may mispronounce words but lawd almighty he knows his cases and always starts with "according to". No wonder he has never been overturned, save once and that was a partial overturning.

She is dead in the water.

BBM

That is a spectacular record. I feel like we are in appeals court when he explains his ruling as he rules and what cases he is relying upon. This man is the truth. I agree with you that the judge is very subtle, but he is amusing himself, perhaps on behalf of his trusted and respected friend Judge Strickland when he sends a shot across the brow to Cheney.
Jude Perry ,again to his credit, did not laugh aloud when Cheney asked for the hearing on the 911 calls. I know I did.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIrPJ77IoRc[/ame]


Unrelated____________

Regarding my earlier post 528 where I put a link in for Mr. Sheaffer and Mr. Hornsby's links , my sentences in the text of my post, are just my opinion, not that of theirs. I never read just one newspaper, likewise, I do enjoy hearing from them both as well as others including AZ Lawyer and of course all of you. We are very happy to have Mr. Horsnby and Mr. Sheaffer is welcome here, too. I did not mean to imply that my post was their words or that they are in agreement. If you do not see quotation marks around something I write.It is just my humble opinion. Shoot, we need all the help we can get figuring out what in the world the defense could possibly be thinking.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU3T6SsSavI[/ame]

 

[The World According]

It seems he has the attitude of one who thinks he is beyond reproach and does not need to bother with all the minutiae and facts of a case. HE will tell you what he has to say and you will like it. You have no place questioning him because you didn't go to law school. He will answer your questions quickly, confidently and in a way that makes you sound stupid for asking them. Forget substance. Forget facts, it's all a 'sale' to him. This may have been great back in the 70's, before the internet age, but he comes across imo as a bit of a relic. He tries to cash in on the 'good ole boy' vibe, but he doesn't understand - the world has moved on.

This is my opinion. I really don't get how people like him sleep at night or how they feel good about what they do...it's not a defense he is putting up, it's just a shell game and a prayer that the prosecution screws up. In a perfect world he would be sanctioned for his obtuse arrogance and shameful unprofessionalism.. Again, just opinion. Sorry if o/t

Horace...you have nailed it!!!

The first glimpse of this that we saw was him asking Judge Strickland, "I bet you'll trust me...wont you? You'll trust ME".
Who in the world did he think he was?


We later learned the only thing Judge Strickland trusted is that Mr. Mason's tight boots were putting a strain on him.

You just can't make this stuff up!!!!

 

[Just Jayla]

CA knows this call is important, very important. I just listened to the portion of her FBI interview where she discusses the calls-She does not do very well to back up her current story, she is all over the place about the 3rd call.

From July 30, 2008, she was trying to cover up the significance of this call, but she finds it difficult when faced with LE alone in a room-She dances around the call, she makes some slips about her gut feelings, then she flat out states to the special agents: "...now it is an urgent thing...the car had something to do with Caylee not being here...my husband's initial reaction as well (as mine) was "I'm gonna find KC in here, I'm gonna find Caylee in here..."

ETA: Of course I know what she says in the rest of the interview, land of denial, but when she has to get to the part about the call with the FBI, she is freakin Gregory Hines.

ETAA: CA goes back to the subject (unprompted) later on in the FBI interview, too, to try to dig herself out of that call again-She can't get it off of her mind. This latest GMA flip flop by CA is indicative that she is still going to be the same liar at trial as she has been this whole time. None of the time that has gone by has changed her a bit.

 

[The World According]

CA knows this call is important, very important. I just listened to the portion of her FBI interview where she discusses the calls-She does not do very well to back up her current story, she is all over the place about the 3rd call.

From July 30, 2008, she was trying to cover up the significance of this call, but she finds it difficult when faced with LE alone in a room-She dances around the call, she makes some slips about her gut feelings, then she flat out states to the special agents: "...now it is an urgent thing...the car had something to do with Caylee not being here...my husband's initial reaction as well (as mine) was "I'm gonna find KC in here, I'm gonna find Caylee in here..."

ETA: Of course I know what she says in the rest of the interview, land of denial, but when she has to get to the part about the call with the FBI, she is freakin Gregory Hines.

Jayla, this is a most excellent quote, is this when she met with the FBI, the day she filled out their written questionnaire? Is this the time when she says to them, ...what... I didn't know this was under oath? [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUtqKL69KBw[/ame]

 

[rhornsby]

http://www.wftv.com/video/23980452/index.html
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2010/...our-emergency/
Thank God in Heaven for these two , Mr. Hornsby and Mr. Sheaffer the calm voices of reason.


911 calls are coming in of course
TES fishing expo will not be allowed
Kronk prior bad acts will never be introduced into trial

I can just hear judge Perry now, "What's next?"

Actually, I think access to the TES records will be granted as do I think that Kronk's ex-wife will be allowed to testify.

Also, while I think the 911 calls will come in, I do not think it will be because they are excited utterance. Sheaffer's understanding of the law is as outdated as Cheney's.

 

[beach]

Actually, I think access to the TES records will be granted as do I think that Kronk's ex-wife will be allowed to testify.

Also, while I think the 911 calls will come in, I do not think it will be because they are excited utterance. Sheaffer's understanding of the law is as outdated as Cheney's.

In re. the TES records, I hope this is where your perfect batting average bites the dust.

WHY do you think they will be allowed considering they have had access to review the records at NeJames' office for...what? about 9 months now?

There is no way all those volunteers should be subject to this scrutiny. It is not right. Period.

What they are looking for is one of those 4,000 volunteers who has a criminal past ...specifically, involving children and/or violence.

eta: I'm not worried about Kronk's ex-wife. Her credibility will do her in, even if she is allowed. And the fact that she is an EX-wife.

 

[100%Agave]

In re. the TES records, I hope this is where your perfect batting average bites the dust.

WHY do you think they will be allowed considering they have had access to review the records at NeJames' office for...what? about 9 months now?

There is no way all those volunteers should be subject to this scrutiny. It is not right. Period.

What they are looking for is one of those 4,000 volunteers who has a criminal past ...specifically, involving children and/or violence.

eta: I'm not worried about Kronk's ex-wife. Her credibility will do her in, even if she is allowed. And the fact that she is an EX-wife.

Not following you around, promise. Here I go again without my inability to see why any of this is important.

While I understand what they are looking for with the TES records, I still fail to see what they hope that finding one poor sap with a record is going to accomplish. So what if they searched for Caylee. If they didn't search on suburban what is the deal? And if they did, they didn't find her...so again what is the deal? Let's say some one did have a record and came from Kentucky to search. It would have to be proven that they could have been in the area while Caylee was missing, would it not? I guess they would only be interested in person from Orlando then?

On the whole Kronk mess, who really cares what is in his past? He only found her body. Again they would need to prove that he had the opportunity to take Caylee and he really doesn't fit the description of Zanny so I guess KC would need to revise her story again.

Something like "I really needed to party on the night that Caylee went missing and mom was not available to baby sit. Besides I was mad at her because she called me on the carpet for stealing money from my grammy but really they didn't need it as bad as I did. Anyway, so there I was at mom's and I was not supposed to be there because I was supposed to be at my job that I really didn't have so I stepped out the door and there was the meter reader. I said "Hey mister meter reader, I really need someone to babysit my snot nosed brat so I can go out to Fusion so here she is." I then ran as fast as I could and jumped in my car and sped off before he could catch me but as I was driving off he threathen me, my family, and Caylee with harm so I was really scared. So scared that I went out that night then stayed over at Tony's. Of course, I assumed that the meter reader would bring Caylee back over to mom's house the next day but when he didn't show up I knew something was really wrong. So I tried to track him down by going to fusion some more, spending the night with Tony, and leaving my stinking car at Amscot. You can tell that I tried to find her by checking my phone records. There should be hundreds, well tens, well maybe one or two calls that were not to my friends. These are the calls that I made trying to find the meter reader. Oh they don't go to any place where I might find a meter reader....well, I was looking at places where I would go if I was holding someone's small child for them. Ya know. Since we were in danger, I used my extra special secret code to tell LE and my brother Lee what happened, Zanny means meter reader, Sawgrass Apartments means missing for 31 days, Jay Blanchard Park means don't tell mom, going to work means going to party, and missing blackberry means Caylee. Don't know why he didn't figure it out."

 

[beach]

Not following you around, promise. Here I go again without my inability to see why any of this is important.

While I understand what they are looking for with the TES records, I still fail to see what they hope that finding one poor sap with a record is going to accomplish. So what if they searched for Caylee. If they didn't search on suburban what is the deal? And if they did, they didn't find her...so again what is the deal? Let's say some one did have a record and came from Kentucky to search. It would have to be proven that they could have been in the area while Caylee was missing, would it not? I guess they would only be interested in person from Orlando then?

On the whole Kronk mess, who really cares what is in his past? He only found her body. Again they would need to prove that he had the opportunity to take Caylee and he really doesn't fit the description of Zanny so I guess KC would need to revise her story again.

Something like "I really needed to party on the night that Caylee went missing and mom was not available to baby sit. Besides I was mad at her because she called me on the carpet for stealing money from my grammy but really they didn't need it as bad as I did. Anyway, so there I was at mom's and I was not supposed to be there because I was supposed to be at my job that I really didn't have so I stepped out the door and there was the meter reader. I said "Hey mister meter reader, I really need someone to babysit my snot nosed brat so I can go out to Fusion so here she is." I then ran as fast as I could and jumped in my car and sped off before he could catch me but as I was driving off he threathen me, my family, and Caylee with harm so I was really scared. So scared that I went out that night then stayed over at Tony's. Of course, I assumed that the meter reader would bring Caylee back over to mom's house the next day but when he didn't show up I knew something was really wrong. So I tried to track him down by going to fusion some more, spending the night with Tony, and leaving my stinking car at Amscot. You can tell that I tried to find her by checking my phone records. There should be hundreds, well tens, well maybe one or two calls that were not to my friends. These are the calls that I made trying to find the meter reader. Oh they don't go to any place where I might find a meter reader....well, I was looking at places where I would go if I was holding someone's small child for them. Ya know. Since we were in danger, I used my extra special secret code to tell LE and my brother Lee what happened, Zanny means meter reader, Sawgrass Apartments means missing for 31 days, Jay Blanchard Park means don't tell mom, going to work means going to party, and missing blackberry means Caylee. Don't know why he didn't figure it out."

Agave, even if you're not, I invite you to follow me around anywhere. You've got so much common sense, it would actually flatter me.


I truly understand your frustration. But simply, it all boils down to creating reasonable doubt in only ONE juror's mind. That creates at least a hung jury. Better than a conviction, for the defense. They know they're not going to get an acquittal, imo.

In re. the TES volunteer criminal records I referred to in my post - if they go fishing and find even ONE volunteer with a record of pedophila, the defense is going to have a field day! I agree with you and it still wouldn't make sense, but I promise you the defense would blow so much smoke in that courtroom the jurors would need masks just to be able to breathe.


You are the prosecution's DREAM JUROR. If you live in the county in FL where they decide to summon jurors, I hope to to the high heavens you get chosen for voir dire. Hopefully they wouldn't ask you too many questions about pre-disposition about this case or blogging. What is your post count again?

 

[The World According]

Here Cindy is detailing what each call was, and how she was feeling at the time. Cindy tells at what point she felt Caylee was missing. Then she goes into the trunk smell. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1sWCtTSbtE[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7yR86-eHak[/ame]




MOO

 

[100%Agave]

Agave, even if you're not, I invite you to follow me around anywhere. You've got so much common sense, it would actually flatter me.


I truly understand your frustration. But simply, it all boils down to creating reasonable doubt in only ONE juror's mind. That creates at least a hung jury. Better than a conviction, for the defense. They know they're not going to get an acquittal, imo.


You are the prosecution's DREAM JUROR. If you live in the county in FL where they decide to summon jurors, I hope to to the high heavens you get chosen for voir dire. Hopefully they wouldn't ask you too many questions about pre-disposition about this case or blogging. What is your post count again?

Unfortunately, I don't think that they will pick Pinellas County but if they move the trial to Tampa, I swear that I am going to be there to watch it all.

I know I sound frustrated about this whole thing. I have no doubt that there will be at least one juror who just can not believe that a mother would do this to their own child. We see that here as well. It doesn't matter how many statistic you show them that mothers can and do kill their own children, they refuse to believe it. The thought that this can and does happen taints their perfect world so they just won't consider it. If you pretend it doesn't happen then it doesn't happen.

I think I am up to 878.

 

[Just Jayla]

Here Cindy is detailing what each call was, and how she was feeling at the time. Cindy tells at what point she felt Caylee was missing. Then she goes into the trunk smell. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1sWCtTSbtE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7yR86-eHak




MOO

Yes! You got it.

She goes back to this a couple of times in the interview once it is brought up...it is as if she is milling it over in her mind and she wants to say something to correct herself or make it sound better than it is for KC, but she can't, she keeps getting stuck in a hole.
CA can't think very fast under pressure-In the past, when she has changed her stories, it was over the course of some time, where she was able to think about it and then present a story to the media. She didn't like her original presentation to Nick Savage, and she was trying to fix it/make it evolve right there in the interview. SA Savage does not bring it up more than once, but she does, each time trying to mitigate it more.
CA doesn't need BB's shovel to dig herself a hole, she does just fine digging a hole with her own mouth!

 

[Just Jayla]

Agave, even if you're not, I invite you to follow me around anywhere. You've got so much common sense, it would actually flatter me.


I truly understand your frustration. But simply, it all boils down to creating reasonable doubt in only ONE juror's mind. That creates at least a hung jury. Better than a conviction, for the defense. They know they're not going to get an acquittal, imo.

In re. the TES volunteer criminal records I referred to in my post - if they go fishing and find even ONE volunteer with a record of pedophila, the defense is going to have a field day! I agree with you and it still wouldn't make sense, but I promise you the defense would blow so much smoke in that courtroom the jurors would need masks just to be able to breathe.


You are the prosecution's DREAM JUROR. If you live in the county in FL where they decide to summon jurors, I hope to to the high heavens you get chosen for voir dire. Hopefully they wouldn't ask you too many questions about pre-disposition about this case or blogging. What is your post count again?

In a vacuum, sure I guess the defense could pin it on someone that worked with TES.
But they are not in a vacuum-There will be prosecutors there that will make sure the jury understands that for anyone else to have put Caylee there requires:

-Access to Caylee and her personal belongings
-Power over KC to not report them and enough power over her to cause her to sit and wait for the DP in lieu of reporting said person
-Access to KC's car
-Fit the description of ZFG, unless the defense is going to call their client a liar
-Access to KC's car again to get the body to Suburban
-A roll of Henkel duct tape that happens to match the tape GA had in his garage
-Someone who had access to KC's MySpace, wherein they could have penned the "Diary of Days"

etc, etc, etc

What a dopey defense. How do you connect people that were on the scene well after Caylee was purportedly missing (June 16th) back to her disappearance in the first place? IMO, this tactic will make the defense look more desparate to acquit a guilty client.