2010.06.29 -- LE says TH not POI nor suspect

[Nana46]

Do you mean Multnomah? Mult-no-muh.

If you're asking about something different, my apologies.

Thank you!!!! Just got back here to the board....I appreciate it!

 

[nursebeeme]

Dan Abrams was just interviewed about this case on the "Today" show and he said just b/c LE is saying TH is not a POI or suspect publicly, that means nothing to the investigation.

bumping this up

 

[mchris1024]

Terri may talk to the media
PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Moulton Horman was “blindsided” by the divorce papers, according to a close friend.

A friend of Terri who wished to remain anonymous, told KOIN Local 6 Kyron Horman’s step-mother was caught off guard when she was served divorce papers as well as a restraining order from her husband and Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman.

“Terri didn’t know she was going to be hit with divorce papers or a restraining order,” the friend said.

The friend said Terri may consider talking publicly and airing her side of the story.

“She’s been doing what Kaine said all along and he’s been telling her to stay quiet. The public will benefit from hearing what she has to say.”

Just saw the above on a website for http://www.koinlocal6.com/default.aspx

If already discussed sorry for the duplicate.

 

[Kimster]

This thread is about LE stating Terri is not a person of interest. There is another thread about the divorce/restraining order.

 

[Chili Fries]

For me, it depends on how long this goes on.

What I fear is if all they have is a few minor inconsistencies in her story and a lot of suppositions about how she "should" act if innocent, without enough evidence to actually arrest her.

Hanging her out in the wind for awhile can be a legitimate pressure tactic but there has to be a reasonable time limit.

I can't get past thinking about Steven Hatfill, whose career was thoroughly ruined by the FBI and who is now known to have been innocent. It turned out that all they had in his case were a few coincidences and some behaviour that they judged as being inconsistent with innocence. Too bad for Mr Hatfill that he was actually innocent.

In fact, the FBI so thoroughly bungled the Hatfill case that I now have some doubts about their case against Bruce Ivins. As Ivins has committed suicide, I truly believe it is possible that we will never find out who was behind the anthrax attacks without someone who can fight for exoneration.

What I fear is if the current state of affairs goes on for years with TMH is that her life will be ruined without her ever getting an opportunity to exonerate herself.

For instance, she may now be engaged in a custody dispute over Baby K with Kaine Horman. It's hard to imagine a judge granting her anything beyond supervised visitation at this point. She's a teacher; does anyone really think a school district would hire her, especially right now with so many applicants per position?

What if this goes on for 15 years and then suddenly they find a different perp. That would be a long time and a heavy price to pay for the burden of doubt she's under right now. Too heavy. And money doesn't really compensate for things like losing the day to day contact with a child.

It's a frustrating problem. I wouldn't want there to be an official "arrest or forfeit" deadline because that would just give the guilty a goal post. But it's completely unfair to keep someone in this state of "conviction via media" for long, either.

In the end, perhaps all I am left with is what Thomas Jefferson is alleged to have said: better a thousand guilty men go free than one innocent man be punished.

And, for example, in the Somer Thompson case LE were on the wrong track even thought the real perp was right under their noses the whole time . They were focused on a creepy guy who lived right next door to where Somer was last seen and who went out of his way to make friends with the school kids (though his POI status wasn't leaked until after somebody else was arrested). A weirdo but very likely not the guy who killed her.

But even with these examples you can find many, many more examples of LE biding their time to nail the real perp or knowing who he or she is and still not being able to prove it without the body. Think of Drew Peterson or Josh Powell. More often than not LE gets it right when they have a serious POI. Right now this has been a relatively short investigation, it's important to give it time. They only have one chance to try the real perp and achieve justice for Kyron.

 

[AbbieNormal]

Once you arrest someone the clock starts ticking...you have a certain amount of time to file the charges, hold hearings and begin the judicial process. If you do not have EVERYTHING ready and are not darn sure you're going to be able to get a conviction with what you have at that very moment....you wait.

TH is not a flight risk and is not going anywhere; to jump the gun and file charges just because WE are frustrated is not going to help the case.

I'd rather be frustrated than have them rush to court only to have a flimsy case that does not end in a conviction.

that's just my pair of pennies.

Just my opinions-
WE don't know if TH is a flight risk or not. She must feel like an animal caged into a corner, her husband and daughter have abandoned her and now she has her parents staying with her. I know I would sure feel like getting the he77 out, if it was me. She knows the whole country is leaning towards he being guilty in some way. That has to wear on your psyche.

I am sure that Kaine listened to what LE had to say the many times he met with them, plus added his own doubts and suspicions about Terri., and reached the conclusion that their daughter was not safe to be taken care of by Terri and that he feels he no longer wants to be under the same roof as her, possibly because he feels she did have something to do with Kyrons disapperance, and he wishes to be divorced from her and probably as soon as possible. If Terri does have a narcissistic personality, that makes her difficult to live with anyway. If I thought my husband had something to do with the disappearance of one of my kids I would want to divorce him asap, regardless of "POI or suspect" being named to be him or not.. Kaine knows who is responsible for this, LE has given him enough information for him to decide that Terri is a danger (possibly) to their child and he knows he no longer wants to be under the same roof with her lying a$$. JMO of course.

 

[AbbieNormal]

For me, it depends on how long this goes on.

What I fear is if all they have is a few minor inconsistencies in her story and a lot of suppositions about how she "should" act if innocent, without enough evidence to actually arrest her.

Hanging her out in the wind for awhile can be a legitimate pressure tactic but there has to be a reasonable time limit.

I can't get past thinking about Steven Hatfill, whose career was thoroughly ruined by the FBI and who is now known to have been innocent. It turned out that all they had in his case were a few coincidences and some behaviour that they judged as being inconsistent with innocence. Too bad for Mr Hatfill that he was actually innocent.

In fact, the FBI so thoroughly bungled the Hatfill case that I now have some doubts about their case against Bruce Ivins. As Ivins has committed suicide, I truly believe it is possible that we will never find out who was behind the anthrax attacks without someone who can fight for exoneration.

What I fear is if the current state of affairs goes on for years with TMH is that her life will be ruined without her ever getting an opportunity to exonerate herself.

For instance, she may now be engaged in a custody dispute over Baby K with Kaine Horman. It's hard to imagine a judge granting her anything beyond supervised visitation at this point. She's a teacher; does anyone really think a school district would hire her, especially right now with so many applicants per position?

What if this goes on for 15 years and then suddenly they find a different perp. That would be a long time and a heavy price to pay for the burden of doubt she's under right now. Too heavy. And money doesn't really compensate for things like losing the day to day contact with a child.

It's a frustrating problem. I wouldn't want there to be an official "arrest or forfeit" deadline because that would just give the guilty a goal post. But it's completely unfair to keep someone in this state of "conviction via media" for long, either.

In the end, perhaps all I am left with is what Thomas Jefferson is alleged to have said: better a thousand guilty men go free than one innocent man be punished.

Something completely OT as far as Kyron is concerned, but related to Bruce Ivins. I happen to live in Frederick and am very familiar with this case. The home that Irvins lived in is directly across from the main gate at Ft Detrick. There are two stories about how he killed himself, and I am not sure which is true. One is that he overdosed on massive amount of Tylenol and his body was found at Mt Olivet cemetary by the police, the other is that he overdosed and/or shot himself at home and that is where the police found him. His house was never taped off as a 'crime scene' as you would expect it to be, I know that for a fact as I used to drive by every day on my way to work down the street from there. Interesting 2 stories would be circulating, no? The newspaper carried the story he was found dead at home, but a police officer told me that was BS, his body was found at Mt Olivet. So, who knows which is really true???

 

[debirlfan]

I'm still not so sure on this one. If the schoolmate was correct that SM left the building alone - and that he spoke to Kyron - then I can't see how she would have got him outside. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I could understand if he had left WITH her - she could have told him he forgot something in the car, etc and he might have thought he was going to go right back inside - but once she has left (and presumably returned), it wouldn't have made sense. Given that he was excited about the science fair, it would seem that even if she came back and gave him some story of "we have to leave", then he would have gotten his stuff (jacket and backpack) out of his room.

 

[LadyL]

was expecting to see an arrest by now

interesting

 

[cluciano63]

I'm still not so sure on this one. If the schoolmate was correct that SM left the building alone - and that he spoke to Kyron - then I can't see how she would have got him outside. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I could understand if he had left WITH her - she could have told him he forgot something in the car, etc and he might have thought he was going to go right back inside - but once she has left (and presumably returned), it wouldn't have made sense. Given that he was excited about the science fair, it would seem that even if she came back and gave him some story of "we have to leave", then he would have gotten his stuff (jacket and backpack) out of his room.

I have a hard time with a school boy paying that much attention to detail in the middle of a busy morning. It doesn't feel right to me. And I hope the fact that the questionnaires went out two weeks after that did not suddenly prompt some kids to be "helpful" and suddenly remember things. I am not saying any or all of it is untrue, but I am doubtful. What child pays attention to when someone's mother leaves school?

 

[SuziQ]

mult-noh-mah
Accent on the 2nd syllable.

Or do you mean the new guy? Dan Staton. Stay-ton. lol

You pill. That cracked me up.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Sheriff's spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand said Monday night her office is "not talking about personal issues going on with the Hormans." She said Terri Horman is neither a person of interest nor a suspect.

(snip)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/29/ap/national/main6628859.shtml

I can tell you this. I have kept up with more cases over the last 30 years than I can even count but I have never seen a case that leaves me in total confusion at times.

From day one the standard line for LE in this case has been "no comment" or "we are not going to discuss any part of the investigation" etc.

So it wasnt surprising when Lt. Linstrand gave her evasive answer saying they weren't going to talk about the Hormans personal problems but then her next statement isn't evasive at all. It is a clear statement. She clearly states that Terri Horman is neither a person of interest nor a suspect.Not even a POI????:waitasec:

It just makes me feel there is so much we do not know about this case.

She could have easily glossed over that by saying the same consistent theme. "we are not naming any suspects or POIs at this time" so why didn't she? Why did she specifically make a point to say this to the press?

What in the world is going on?

None of it makes any sense to me. I am trying to remember where LE came out and specifically stated someone was not a suspect or POI and then was arrested later on. I am drawing a blank.

IMO

 

[Dee10]

I can tell you this. I have kept up with more cases over the last 30 years than I can even count but I have never seen a case that leaves me in total confusion at times.

From day one the standard line for LE in this case has been "no comment" or "we are not going to discuss any part of the investigation" etc.

So it wasnt surprising when Lt. Linstrand gave her evasive answer saying they weren't going to talk about the Hormans personal problems but then her next statement isn't evasive at all. It is a clear statement. She clearly states that Terri Horman is neither a person of interest nor a suspect.Not even a POI????:waitasec:

It just makes me feel there is so much we do not know about this case.

She could have easily glossed over that by saying the same consistent theme. "we are not naming any suspects or POIs at this time" so why didn't she? Why did she specifically make a point to say this to the press?

What in the world is going on?

None of it makes any sense to me. I am trying to remember where LE came out and specifically stated someone was not a suspect or POI and then was arrested later on. I am drawing a blank.

IMO

Hi Oceans it was discussed earlier that this was not a direct quote. If you check the direct quote, what you have in quotes is almost exact to what Lt. Linstrand actually said.

 

[amethyst221]

I was going to say the same thing, based on earlier investigations by others. The statement was more like no named POI's or suspects at this time. Lots more wiggle room.

 

[Wendy101]

I was just thinking maybe this divorce really has nothing to do with Kyron gone missing?

 

[daisy7]

Hi Oceans it was discussed earlier that this was not a direct quote. If you check the direct quote, what you have in quotes is almost exact to what Lt. Linstrand actually said.

I believe the direct quote that you are referring to is

"It's a personal matter between family members and we don't get involved in those," sheriff spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand said. "Nothing has changed in the investigation. It's still ongoing. No persons of interest or suspects have been named at this time.

(snip)

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/29/oregon.missing.boy/index.html?section=cnn_latest

and here is what was quoted in the OP:

Sheriff's spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand said Monday night her office is "not talking about personal issues going on with the Hormans." She said Terri Horman is neither a person of interest nor a suspect.

(snip)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6628859.shtml

The 2 "direct" quotes in the first sentences of each are very different. Was it the same quote that was misreported by media or was it 2 different quotes? I know I can't say for sure either way.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi Oceans it was discussed earlier that this was not a direct quote. If you check the direct quote, what you have in quotes is almost exact to what Lt. Linstrand actually said.

Is there a video of this conversation?

You mean she did not mention Terri Horman at all?

Then why do we have this thread?:waitasec:

I am really confused now.

Even if it was an interpretation by the reporter it still says Lindstand said she was neither a suspect or a POI. I don't see how that could be misconstrued. It is rather direct and simple imo.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I believe the direct quote that you are referring to is

"It's a personal matter between family members and we don't get involved in those," sheriff spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand said. "Nothing has changed in the investigation. It's still ongoing. No persons of interest or suspects have been named at this time.

(snip)

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/29/oregon.missing.boy/index.html?section=cnn_latest

and here is what was quoted in the OP:

Sheriff's spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand said Monday night her office is "not talking about personal issues going on with the Hormans." She said Terri Horman is neither a person of interest nor a suspect.

(snip)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6628859.shtml

The 2 "direct" quotes in the first sentences of each are very different. Was it the same quote that was misreported by media or was it 2 different quotes? I know I can't say for sure either way.

It sounds to me like both CNN and CBS talked to Lt. Linstrand and this is how she answered each time.

Doesnt she more or less handle the media?

IMO

 

[cluciano63]

The part about Terri Horman not being a suspect or POI is outside of the quotation marks..and seems to be another case of poor and careless reporting. As you can see, the words from LE were quite different.

This thread was opened and named in haste, and should be changed, IMO.

 

[Emma Peel]

Is there a video of this conversation?

You mean she did not mention Terri Horman at all?

Then why do we have this thread?:waitasec:

I am really confused now.

Even if it was an interpretation by the reporter it still says Lindstand said she was neither a suspect or a POI. I don't see how that could be misconstrued. It is rather direct and simple imo.

IMO

I agree OBE. So far, no one can confirm with certainity what was said other then to provide the examples of the conflicting reporting.

Within this thread you will find that particular horse beaten to death.

Some argue that where the words are in quotation marks - only these are Lidstrand's words. Any reporting without words in quotation marks is to be disregarded as misinformation invented by the newswriter.

Apparently, the bar for accurate news reporting on this is so low, that we are left to just pick the version we like, and argue about it.

It's JMHO that we have two completely different versions of the same statement from Lindstrand, and therefore, we don't know what was said.

Others opine that they do know, they've known all along, it's plain as day, and those of us that question the disparity in reporting on LE statements are barking up the tree of naiivete.

Enjoy the thread! :crazy: