2010.06.29 -- LE says TH not POI nor suspect

[cluciano63]

I was thinking along the lines of Kyron asking to go with her, her agreeing for whatever reason and then something happening after they left the grounds. There would not have had to be a scene at/in the school.

But then it does not explain why she would not have stopped long enough to tell his teacher, hey, he's coming with me...

 

[hollyblue]

I haven't been following on the threads, but have been thru the media so if this has been brought forward previously please forgive; but has anyone questioned the "strange" fact that Kyron was wearing a CSI tee shirt that day? Would be nice to know if Kyron picked out his clothes to wear that day or not. Just sayin' IF she is an unsusual person. Again sorry, if mentioned before. But TIA for response.

 

[anamarieus]

I was thinking along the lines of Kyron asking to go with her, her agreeing for whatever reason and then something happening after they left the grounds. There would not have had to be a scene at/in the school.

But then it does not explain why she would not have stopped long enough to tell his teacher, hey, he's coming with me...

My thoughts:

"Kyron", after you look around, go down the back steps by your classroom, and I will come pick you up around back" "We can go get ice cream (or whatever)... Terri leaves the front of the building, Kyron goes down the stairs right next to his classroom, Terri drives around back, picks him up and off they go.

That is what I believe went down.

 

[aMamaJ]

My thoughts:

"Kyron", after you look around, go down the back steps by your classroom, and I will come pick you up around back" "We can go get ice cream (or whatever)... Terri leaves the front of the building, Kyron goes down the stairs right next to his classroom, Terri drives around back, picks him up and off they go.

That is what I believe went down.

I totally agree. And that makes it even worse to think about- so simple, so possible, so complete. :banghead:

 

[rotterdam]

My thoughts:

"Kyron", after you look around, go down the back steps by your classroom, and I will come pick you up around back" "We can go get ice cream (or whatever)... Terri leaves the front of the building, Kyron goes down the stairs right next to his classroom, Terri drives around back, picks him up and off they go.

That is what I believe went down.

I agree, there was more than an hour left before the class started. I guess one of the reasons that questionnaire was sent out to the parents of the students. They need somebody that witnessed the departure of TH with Kyron in order to have a fairly solid case IMO. Or a confession.

 

[anamarieus]

I am starting to feel like they are just playing a whole lot of head games with her and its really starting to bug me....I'm not sure why....I guess they need her to 'come to jesus' and all the interviews and lie detector tests aren't working.

They are definitely playing head games. She will crack soon what with the little one gone and Kaine gone now. She is all alone except for her immediate family. All alone with her thoughts, she cant hug her little girl and get the unconditional love back that she so desires. Her mind must be SWIRLING.

 

[scandi]

A second thanks to you Darlin Girl for finding that transcript. I still think he is spot on and :dance: to Dan for being bold enough to tell it as it is. He has seen allot in his years at MSNBC. xox

Snippet from link below

Mr. ABRAMS: I mean, I'm specifically hesitating because just because he's leaving and saying, `what I know is leading me to want to get out of here' doesn't necessarily mean that the investigators would have enough to move forward at this time. But it does mean that this -- the investigators saying, `oh, she's not a suspect, she's not a person of interest,' that doesn't mean a thing, that's just what they're saying publicly. It's clear behind closed doors that they're saying something to this family that's a little bit different.


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37992992/ns/today-today_people/[/QUOTE]

 

[Susan10]

Sheriff's spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand said Monday night her office is "not talking about personal issues going on with the Hormans." She said Terri Horman is neither a person of interest nor a suspect.

(snip)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/29/ap/national/main6628859.shtml

yea, LE always says that, right up until the last second when they arrest the suspect.

 

[eyes4crime]

I agree, there was more than an hour left before the class started. I guess one of the reasons that questionnaire was sent out to the parents of the students. They need somebody that witnessed the departure of TH with Kyron in order to have a fairly solid case IMO. Or a confession.

A confession won't do it either unless she tells where the body or Kyron is. Her confession has to match up with what LE already knows. Confessions can be retracted in court and they can be coerced. If Kyron isn't alive anymore (I fear he's not) LE must place her and the body together - saying she walked out of school with Kyron isn't enough. Polygraphs are not admissible in court so that leaves hands on detective work that will most likely take time. (if she is guilty) moo and a coldcase/CSI fan

 

[Susan10]

LE is lying!

TH is most definitely THE main POI/suspect in this case. Can't believe she hasn't lawyered-up yet.

yes, LE must be leading her on. I can't believe that she doesn't realize that she will be arrested soon.

Dunno why she hasn't gotten a lawyer yet. Denial? Hoping against hope that she won't be arrested? Knows that there's no solid evidence?

Dunno. All I know is that she definitely needs a lawyer and bad. The longer she waits, the worse for her.

 

[scandi]

I agree. Any rage on the school premises would surely have been noticed by somebody. She either had nothing to do with Kyrons disappearance or it was a carefully thought out premeditated plan. The picture taking and the posting of those pictures later on is so ominous IMO but definitely not incriminating . I do not watch CSI, was there ever something similar?
I guess LE is desperately searching for any evidence that somebody saw Kyron getting back into the car or any car for that matter at the school parking lot.
Such a shame that the school has no cameras at the exits/entrances.

A quickie about the cameras. Portland Public Schools is like $200,000 below meeting their financial needs so it is a bleak time for them to invest in cameras. For instance, at a large HS in the Sunnyside area here they have 52 cameras. Very expensive indeed.

I got the name of the person in charge of security for PPSD and will be emailing him tomoz. They aren't taking bids yet, but my boss has worked up a killer deal for them. He has a 2nd grader in a near by school and knows a simple digital system, properly designed, would have told the tale on what happened to Kyron and with whom. xox


Hope this isn't too for O/T Mods

 

[JBean]

MODESTO, Calif., Feb. 18 (UPI) -- Modesto police said Tuesday Scott Peterson's status in the investigation into his wife's disappearance had not changed following a second search of his home. Peterson is not considered a suspect nor has been ruled out

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2003/02/19/Modesto-PD-Peterson-still-not-a-suspect/UPI-36421045631008/


Police had not named Scott Peterson as a suspect, but intensified their investigation of him in January after a massage therapist revealed she was having an affair with Peterson, who told her he was not married
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7108-2003Apr21.html



CNN's Rusty Dornin joins us now from Modesto, California with more on the investigation. Rusty, is Scott Peterson, the husband, officially a suspect? Because it looks like the police are treating him as one.

RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They're still saying, Carol, and maintaining all along that he is not a suspect, but they keep saying he has not been eliminated from the investigation
http://www-cgi.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0302/19/lt.03.html

 

[daisy7]

yea, LE always says that, right up until the last second when they arrest the suspect.

There are numerous cases where LE names a POI before an arrest. Below are 2 current cases where LE named a POI before anyone was arrested. In both cases, neither victims' bodies have been found.

Douglas Stewart, 29, of Newport News, Va., has been identified by authorities as the only “person of interest” in the woman’s disappearance.

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/progress_made_in_venus_stewart.html

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107475"]MI MI Venus Rose Stewart Colon, 28 April 2010-#9 DS arrested suspected murder/kidnapping - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

"Investigators are now focusing on Stewart/Valentini as a person of interest in the disappearance of Jamie Laiaddee," according to a Chandler Police Department news release about the case.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/29/arizona.missing.woman/index.html?hpt=Sbin

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105702"]AZ AZ - Jamie J. Laiaddee, 32, Chandler, 18 March 2010 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Indianagirl]

MODESTO, Calif., Feb. 18 (UPI) -- Modesto police said Tuesday Scott Peterson's status in the investigation into his wife's disappearance had not changed following a second search of his home. Peterson is not considered a suspect nor has been ruled out

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2003/02/19/Modesto-PD-Peterson-still-not-a-suspect/UPI-36421045631008/


Police had not named Scott Peterson as a suspect, but intensified their investigation of him in January after a massage therapist revealed she was having an affair with Peterson, who told her he was not married
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7108-2003Apr21.html



CNN's Rusty Dornin joins us now from Modesto, California with more on the investigation. Rusty, is Scott Peterson, the husband, officially a suspect? Because it looks like the police are treating him as one.

RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They're still saying, Carol, and maintaining all along that he is not a suspect, but they keep saying he has not been eliminated from the investigation
http://www-cgi.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0302/19/lt.03.html

Good point JBean! I recently read an article from the day before Peterson was arrested and LE still wasn't publicly naming him a suspect!

 

[daisy7]

Good point JBean! I recently read an article from the day before Peterson was arrested and LE still wasn't publicly naming him a suspect!

But, did they ever say he wasn't a POI or suspect?

 

[GrainneDhu]

I also do not pay too much attention to LE denial of POI and/or suspect. They are working furiously on solving this case and desperately want to find Kyron. Arresting a person too early could prevent that. Having that person clam up at the advise of a defense lawyer(who is just doing his job) would seriously hamper that.

Couple of points though.
The pictures taken by TH of adorable little Kyron early in the morning. So eerie, alibi?
I am sure there was some kind of judging later on. Would that not be the time to take pictures?

SBM BBM

The event on 4 June was not really a science fair, it was an IB Exposition. No judging involved, at least in Kyron's grade level.

The children were supposed to gather in their classrooms at 8:45 am to be divided into groups for an escorted tour of the other exhibits. So the time between when the school opened at 8 am and when the children went to their classrooms at 8:45 am would be the time to take photos of a child with his/her own exhibit.

 

[Nana46]

MODESTO, Calif., Feb. 18 (UPI) -- Modesto police said Tuesday Scott Peterson's status in the investigation into his wife's disappearance had not changed following a second search of his home. Peterson is not considered a suspect nor has been ruled out

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2003/02/19/Modesto-PD-Peterson-still-not-a-suspect/UPI-36421045631008/


Police had not named Scott Peterson as a suspect, but intensified their investigation of him in January after a massage therapist revealed she was having an affair with Peterson, who told her he was not married
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7108-2003Apr21.html



CNN's Rusty Dornin joins us now from Modesto, California with more on the investigation. Rusty, is Scott Peterson, the husband, officially a suspect? Because it looks like the police are treating him as one.

RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They're still saying, Carol, and maintaining all along that he is not a suspect, but they keep saying he has not been eliminated from the investigation
http://www-cgi.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0302/19/lt.03.html

You did your homework,lol.........Good job:dance:

 

[Indianagirl]

But, did they ever say he wasn't a POI or suspect?

Several articles from the time of Laci's disappearance up until Scott's arrest stated he wasn't a suspect but hadn't been ruled out either.

"Detective Doug Ridenour says Peterson is not a suspect -- but has not been cleared."
February 19, 2003
http://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/49789/Scott-Peterson-Still-Not-Cleared-of-Wrongdoing.html

ETA:
Here is an article from the day before his arrest.

"Scott Peterson has not been formally named as a suspect in his pregnant wife's disappearance on the day before Christmas nor has he been cleared"

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-73349773.html

 

[GrainneDhu]

Until proven otherwise (in court) I can't believe that Terri set out to kill Kyron. That is just too much for me to believe.

I could possibly believe that something terrible happened to Kyron and this was a result of something Terri did and then a cover-up in a panic...that is the only way I can see that she would have harmed/killed him.

I hope I am not proven wrong, or naive. I'm usually the biggest cynic around.

There seems to be ample evidence that TMH was an involved, caring, attentive parent to Kyron spanning the years since she started caring for him. Of course, no one can know for sure what goes on behind closed doors but the evidence seems to point to a happy, well cared for little boy.

In other cases where people pretended to love and care for someone they actually hated, the period of loving attention doesn't last for nearly so long as that and there are generally big, gaping holes in their behaviour.

I don't think there were any obvious holes in TMH's behaviour before 4 June. I infer this because in the first weeks, all four parents seemed so solidly united. No, TMH didn't speak out but then, neither did DY. And so on and so forth.

I agree with you; if TMH did this, it was most likely a horrible spontaneous mistake and a panicked coverup rather than a premeditated act.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree, there was more than an hour left before the class started. I guess one of the reasons that questionnaire was sent out to the parents of the students. They need somebody that witnessed the departure of TH with Kyron in order to have a fairly solid case IMO. Or a confession.

IMO, LE put on the questionnaire from 8 am to 4 pm because that is the time they know someone was there inside the school that day.

I bet the school buses arrived loaded with students at their regular time. I think there were many people already in the school by 8:30- 8:45 am.

It is obvious to me LE does not have any witnesses seeing Kyron leave with Terri. If so this would have been over almost as soon as it began. imo

IMO