2010.07.03 Sheriff confirms Kyron last seen *inside* school

[Nana46]

Don't we think though as parents......there has been NO outcry about the school....their practice, their knowing or not knowing, no blaming from the parents of the missing child......doesn't that strike anyone else as extremely telling that LE from the gitgo did not see anything to blame on the school? I realize they have not spoken out as LE has said no talking to anyone about that day............but usually you would hear a huge uproar about a child going missing from a school....to me this is very telling...it tells me they have enough information that the school was not at fault.......in any way....am I reaching here???:banghead: It tells me that immediately for some reason they knew who to hone in on.

 

[Skully]

My baby is almost 30 years old now, but at 7, I was no longer permitted to kiss or hug him in front of other kids.

Okay, what about "have a nice day"? I get the no hugs or kissing part, I forgot about that not being cool. I just get the feeling that if no one saw them leave and she was the last one to see him, because Tr account we are not sure about, maybe it wasn't the time she said. Maybe it was earlier and she was in a hurry to be somewhere else. That was why I was asking. Thanks.

 

[citigirl]

Could I ask again if Kyron's stuff was really left at the school? Are we sure about this? Because in that case, if Terri took Kyron, she had to be waiting for a call from the school announcing Kyron's disappearance. The email she sent might have been meant to prod them into looking. By then she must have been frantic that nobody had noticed he was gone. Kaine was home, they were going to have to meet the bus, etc.

If Kyron's stuff was not left at the school, then his stuff went with him. I am inclined to think that if his stuff went with him, he went with a parent.

Sorry if this is old ground.

 

[BeanE]

But see that is the problem. The media has put out that she lied. However Sheriff Staton said he had no knowledge that she has lied.

I really believe the LE on the case and not the media spin of unnamed sources.

IMO

I completely disregard unnamed sources as a general rule on cases, personally. No name, no credence. On this case, with the rampant rumors and gossip, I wouldn't dream of relying on an unnamed source.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I have a question to all the mothers here posting and reading.

I don't have children, so I have never gone to a school with my 7 yr old and left him in a school hallway on such a special day. We haven't heard directly from Terri about her account of the day, so here is my question. If you walk your child down the hallway, after touring all the other kids exhibits, after helping your stepchild set up his and take a nice picture, do you hug them goodbye and say " have a great day" or give him maybe a kiss goodbye. I don't know if this goodbye that day included any of these things, but I haven't heard that. Those who know my posts, have heard me say this before, "it is not what you hear in a case, but what you don't hear sometimes". So I am just curious for those of you that do have small children- step moms included.

BBM. Last week when Marc Klaas appeared on HLN with JVM and NG, he mentioned that it was odd that Terri had not taken Kyron to his classroom and hugged him at the door rather than waving at him from 150 Feet away down a hallway. This made no sense to me because, if SM was there with Kyron, why not just escort him to his classroom when you had finished viewing science projects and say your good-byes there? This is what I would have done, for sure.

What seems especially peculiar to me is that I don't think that Kyron would have even been able to recognize his stepmother from 150 feet away if she waved at him before she left the school. Given Kyron's impaired vision, I'm not sure that he could have known that it was Terri who waved at him as she said she did. I'm also more than a little surprised that Terri would even offer the information about waving to Kyron from 150 feet away because she must have known that he was unable to accurately distinguish someone from that distance. I hope that LE have taken this into consideration because it has bothered me from very early on in the case. jmo

 

[BeanE]

I have one, and yes, I do say all those things.


Also, I have walked my child half-way down the hallway because my child thinks they are grown and get embarrassed when I do those such things you mention.

I wouldn't say I am a bad Mom for doing that, I would hope not. This case however has made me look at those moments with new perspective.

Oh I did far worse - I dropped my child off in front of the school, pulling my car to the curb along with all the other bad parents doing the same.

 

[Lavender]

I posted something several days ago in BeanE's "How to..." thread, and for me it's still relevant to this topic. The theory that TH took Kyron to school and then had him meet her later outside has a lot of holes in it for me. Here's a modified version of the thoughts I posted on that thread:

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It's basically a "now you see me/now you don't plan."

What if I wanted to take a child to a school where I plan to later abduct him and also remove suspicion from myself?

It seems that I’d need to accomplish 3 things in order to remove any suspicion of my involvement:

1. Ensure that I had plenty of witnesses who saw us both at the school prior to the start of class at 8:45.
2. Ensure that I had at least one witness see me leave the school without my child prior to 8:45.
3. Ensure that witnesses saw my child in the school AFTER I left so that I would not be accused of being the last person to see him.

So, I’m basically in the witness manipulation business to pull this off. How could I use the people at the expo to supply my alibi?

I’ve been thinking about the photos that TH took at the expo. More to the point, I’ve been thinking about the photos that weren’t taken (to my knowledge).

When I look at the photos TH took at the expo, they just don’t look like photos taken for the purpose of establishing an alibi. They look like photos someone would take to simply document an event in the life of a child whom they loved. If I was about to commit a crime and knew that the whereabouts of both me and my child were going to be examined, I’d make sure I had witnesses out the vuvuzela.

I’d take pictures that prominently feature other kids/parents/teachers in the background, especially adults. (Not pictures with people obscured in the background.) I’d hand my camera to a parent that I knew and ask her/him to take a picture of me with my child in front of the exhibit. I’d ask to see their child’s exhibit and take photos of them with their children in front of their exhibits. I’d also speak to people who knew me and strike up conversations that they would easily remember later if asked.

I’d also make a point of being seen leaving the school building alone. I wouldn’t risk leaving with my child, but would instruct my child to meet me outside later on. I’d linger near the most popular exit until a parent I knew was also leaving, and I’d strike up a conversation with that person on the way out so that they would also easily remember me leaving.

My overall point is, I don’t see the apparent lack of witnesses as an indication that TH was involved in Kyron's disappearance. I actually see the lack of photographs and witnesses as reason not to suspect TH. She would have had the opportunity to use the people around her to her advantage to establish her alibi and it doesn’t appear that she did that, IMO.

 

[krowdkat]

I completely disregard unnamed sources as a general rule on cases, personally. No name, no credence. On this case, with the rampant rumors and gossip, I wouldn't dream of relying on an unnamed source.

So, that begs the question as to why the other family members state in their conferences that they have complete faith in LE and want to keep the focus on Kyron. They won't even answer media questions w/out running them by LE.

We haven't heard anything from stepmom (TH).

She's remaining silent for a reason. JMHO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM. Last week when Marc Klaas appeared on HLN with JVM and NG, he mentioned that it was odd that Terri had not taken Kyron to his classroom and hugged him at the door rather than waving at him from 150 Feet away down a hallway. This made no sense to me because, if SM was there with Kyron, why not just escort him to his classroom when you had finished viewing science projects and say your good-byes there? This is what I would have done, for sure.

What seems especially peculiar to me is that I don't think that Kyron would have even been able to recognize his stepmother from 150 feet away if she waved at him before she left the school. Given Kyron's impaired vision, I'm not sure that he could have known that it was Terri who waved at him as she said she did. I'm also more than a little surprised that Terri would even offer the information about waving to Kyron from 150 feet away because she must have known that he was unable to accurately distinguish someone from that distance. I hope that LE have taken this into consideration because it has bothered me from very early on in the case. jmo

But we don't know if his eyesight was impaired with his glasses on though. Many cant see worth a darn without their glasses but they can see fine if they have their glasses on.

I have never heard that Terri said 150 feet away. I heard one of the reporters say it was 150 feet which I am sure they were just guesstimating since they would have no clue where Terri was actually standing at the time.

IMO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Don't we think though as parents......there has been NO outcry about the school....their practice, their knowing or not knowing, no blaming from the parents of the missing child......doesn't that strike anyone else as extremely telling that LE from the gitgo did not see anything to blame on the school? I realize they have not spoken out as LE has said no talking to anyone about that day............but usually you would hear a huge uproar about a child going missing from a school....to me this is very telling...it tells me they have enough information that the school was not at fault.......in any way....am I reaching here???:banghead: It tells me that immediately for some reason they knew who to hone in on.

If you've read my earlier post on this thread (from "dreams" board), you'll know that I'm very concerned about the school's liability in Kyron's disappearance. If this case is not resolved before school bells ring in the fall, I think Skyline and the district will have to answer a lot of questions about how Kyron's disappearance was handled. I would be very uneasy about sending my child to school if I thought that the building wasn't safe from predators. jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So, that begs the question as to why the other family members state in their conferences that they have complete faith in LE and want to keep the focus on Kyron. They won't even answer media questions w/out running them by LE.

We haven't heard anything from stepmom (TH).

She's remaining silent for a reason. JMHO.

I thought she told a friend that she did want to speak to the media but Kaine had told her not to do so and I can certainly believe that since he seems to have been running this from the get go including telling the employees at Intel not to speak with the media and excluding two media outlets and one of them the largest newspaper in Oregon.

Now that she has obtained an attorney though I doubt she will speak out but he may do so for her at some point.

IMO

 

[cluciano63]

In answer to an above post...no we have nothing confirmed on backpack/jacket. The only mention of this at all, to my knowledge, was from Grandma in that early article; she indicated that they (Terri & Kyron) dropped these items off in the classroom.

But then a photo of the classroom, IIRC, showed all of the backpacks and jackets in back of room in a cloakroom type thing, so it would not been noticeable if that was the case.

 

[krowdkat]

But see that is the problem. The media has put out that she lied. However Sheriff Staton said he had no knowledge that she has lied.

I really believe the LE on the case and not the media spin of unnamed sources.

IMO

Ocean, I have to tell you that I respect you a GREAT deal for not believing the media. I was recently caught up in a trespassing story (locally) and the 5 o'clock and ten pm news couldn't have been further from the truth.

It was crazy frustrating for my family and friends.

So, I completely understand your distrust of the news. LOL. I even have a mug shot plastered all over the metropolitan area, prior to any court event. In the end, no big deal, but still unnerving.

Here's hoping Kyron comes home, safely!

 

[BeanE]

But we don't know if his eyesight was impaired with his glasses on though. Many cant see worth a darn without their glasses but they can see fine if they have their glasses on.

I have never heard that Terri said 150 feet away. I heard one of the reporters say it was 150 feet which I am sure they were just guesstimating since they would have no clue where Terri was actually standing at the time.

IMO

The reporter didn't even say what he was basing that 150 feet on, and like you said, it was one and only one reporter who's said it.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

But we don't know if his eyesight was impaired with his glasses on though. Many cant see with a darn without their glasses but they can see fine if they have their glasses on.

I have never heard that Terri said 150 feet away. I heard one of the reporters say it was 150 feet which I am sure they were just guesstimating since they would have no clue where Terri was actually standing at the time.

IMO

Desiree mentioned during the interviews on June 25 that Kyron does not see very well. Even with best possible correction, Kyron's vision might still not be acute enough to see things clearly at long distances. If you notice in the video where he is reading a report, he holds the notebook very close even though he is wearing his glasses. Speaking from personal experience as a visually-impaired individual, I would not have been able to clearly distinguish someone waving to me from 150 feet away even with my glasses on when I was a child (prior to contact lenses at age 12). jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Excellent post Lavender. Very logical and thought provoking.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[CN2Souls]

I posted something several days ago in BeanE's "How to..." thread, and for me it's still relevant to this topic. The theory that TH took Kyron to school and then had him meet her later outside has a lot of holes in it for me. Here's a modified version of the thoughts I posted on that thread:

--------
It's basically a "now you see me/now you don't plan."

What if I wanted to take a child to a school where I plan to later abduct him and also remove suspicion from myself?

It seems that I’d need to accomplish 3 things in order to remove any suspicion of my involvement:

1. Ensure that I had plenty of witnesses who saw us both at the school prior to the start of class at 8:45.
2. Ensure that I had at least one witness see me leave the school without my child prior to 8:45.
3. Ensure that witnesses saw my child in the school AFTER I left so that I would not be accused of being the last person to see him.

So, I’m basically in the witness manipulation business to pull this off. How could I use the people at the expo to supply my alibi?

I’ve been thinking about the photos that TH took at the expo. More to the point, I’ve been thinking about the photos that weren’t taken (to my knowledge).

When I look at the photos TH took at the expo, they just don’t look like photos taken for the purpose of establishing an alibi. They look like photos someone would take to simply document an event in the life of a child whom they loved. If I was about to commit a crime and knew that the whereabouts of both me and my child were going to be examined, I’d make sure I had witnesses out the vuvuzela.

I’d take pictures that prominently feature other kids/parents/teachers in the background, especially adults. (Not pictures with people obscured in the background.) I’d hand my camera to a parent that I knew and ask her/him to take a picture of me with my child in front of the exhibit. I’d ask to see their child’s exhibit and take photos of them with their children in front of their exhibits. I’d also speak to people who knew me and strike up conversations that they would easily remember later if asked.

I’d also make a point of being seen leaving the school building alone. I wouldn’t risk leaving with my child, but would instruct my child to meet me outside later on. I’d linger near the most popular exit until a parent I knew was also leaving, and I’d strike up a conversation with that person on the way out so that they would also easily remember me leaving.

My overall point is, I don’t see the apparent lack of witnesses as an indication that TH was involved in Kyron's disappearance. I actually see the lack of photographs and witnesses as reason not to suspect TH. She would have had the opportunity to use the people around her to her advantage to establish her alibi and it doesn’t appear that she did that, IMO.

A huge thank you!!!!!!! Great brain work!!!

 

[kbl8201]

the stupidity continues.

i think the police have no clue what happened and just think step mom did it cause that makes it nice and easy for them

 

[carole]

I thought she told a friend that she did want to speak to the media but Kaine had told her not to do so and I can certainly believe that since he seems to have been running this from the get go including telling the employees at Intel not to speak with the media and excluding two media outlets and one of them the largest newspaper in Oregon.

Now that she has obtained an attorney though I doubt she will speak out but he may do so for her at some point.

IMO

Back when her FB was public, she asked friends not to believe everything they heard in the media. Seems like she was on "control" mode also.

 

[socalgal2]

On the 18th, Gates, press conference. I just posted the quotes.

Here's what I posted that you were quoting. Your quote tags broke.

Thanks BeanE and my sincere apologizes that I missed your original post right before I posted mine.:banghead: