2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[tlcya]

MOO is that the investigation into GA is simply more clutching at straws. JB is probably going to try to tie the purported suicide attempt to some sort of guilt felt by GA for allegedly molesting ICA in a bid to further substantiate her claim of same and use the abuse excuse to mitigate ICA's sentence.

Either that or he is planning to suggest that GA in some way is responsible for littl Caylee's murder which would be ludicrous. I do not even think JB is quite THAT dim a bulb so I am betting on theory one.

 

[Steely Dan]

MOO is that the investigation into GA is simply more clutching at straws. JB is probably going to try to tie the purported suicide attempt to some sort of guilt felt by GA for allegedly molesting ICA in a bid to further substantiate her claim of same and use the abuse excuse to mitigate ICA's sentence.

Either that or he is planning to suggest that GA in some way is responsible for littl Caylee's murder which would be ludicrous. I do not even think JB is quite THAT dim a bulb so I am betting on theory one.

Now, now don't overestimate the man.

 

[ThinkTank]

No matter what ploy the defense comes up with I want to see how they explain KC lying about having a job for almost two years. The badge, dropping Caylee off at Cindy's work, the work emails, the fake work friends, the need for a nanny, why her fake friend was paying the nanny, the gifts from the nanny, etc.

I believe the Defense will weave all of those things into something like George was doing bad things, and Inmate Anthony was afraid to tell on HIM. She was protecting HIM and never told her mother what was really happening at home while Cindy was at work. They will say Inmate Anthony made up all those elaborate lies to protect her father. IMO

 

[justthinkin]

I simply believe the defense knows they can't count on George's testimony to favor their client, Casey, anymore so they are going to have to come up with ways to discredit his testimony if the need arises. They are doing their job on this, not that I agree with it.

Whatever dirt they can dig up on George could also be used as kind of a threat. Either play along with us, the defense, or expect to get your dirty laundry aired in court. I hate to say this, but I wouldn't put it past Cindy to give them details on George's past.

I really can't see the defense going completely off the deep end by buying into George molested Casey.

 

[LinasK]

Does anyone think George HAD sexually abused Casey? Does anyone think George was sexually abusing Caylee?

I don't, but I am just wondering if anyone else actually does?

I don't personally have any experience along these lines but have read numerous articles along the way. Is it not true that often times a female victim of sexual abuse by her father may never say anything to anyone about it, but when that victim has her own child - a daughter - it is unlikely she (the original victim) will allow that female child to be around the grandfather alone?

Absolutely I think it was possible. I would NOT put incest past this family. I also think it's possible Lee abused her. Because Casey has cried Wolf too many times, few will believe her, but it very well could have happened. Even prostitutes get raped!

 

[Paintr]

I believe the Defense will show that the "escort girls" on the computer were George's ... and further paint George as a skeevy sexual deviant. They will trash his character in the most vile ways. Along with Inmate Anthony's accusations of sexual abuse to her ... the jury will have ample opportunity to view George as a "possible child predator". Put that together with evidence of extra marital affairs and sexual activity outside the marriage - and George is not looking so much like a good guy husband, father, grandfather to the jury.
Then, you've got George saying he was the last one to see Caylee - the duct tape is his - he had contact with the smelley car ..... connect the dots and the TARGET is squarely on George's forehead. IMO

cropped photo credit wftv

Maybe this is the big AHA moment that Mr Baez was talking about. We were supposed to see it at trial and understand everythjing.

 

[Purple Iris]

Hmm.......then Baez can also tell that the reason that Casey lied about working, was because she was protecting Caylee from George, and was afraid to work and leave Caylee at the house without her mother being there.

When did she loose her job at Kodak? About the time that George came back home....wasn't it??

 

[ThinkTank]

Maybe this is the big AHA moment that Mr Baez was talking about. We were supposed to see it at trial and understand everythjing.

That is exactly what I was thinking!
Everything falls into place, when you think about it.
George told River that it was an accident that snowballed out of control .... almost everything that George has said, and what others have said that George said and did, can be twisted by the Defense to make it look like GEORGE is the perpetrator/murderer, and Inmate Anthony has been protecting him. It could have been an accident that GEORGE was involved in.
Even his WHY? WHY? WHY? letter can now be twisted to look like George is angry that his daughter finally outed HIM.

 

[Tulessa]

and why do you think he is back?

I think he had his orders from Cindy!:innocent:

 

[Paintr]

Hmm.......then Baez can also tell that the reason that Casey lied about working, was because she was protecting Caylee from George, and was afraid to work and leave Caylee at the house without her mother being there.

When did she loose her job at Kodak? About the time that George came back home....wasn't it??

And since KC had already told Cindy about the abuse once and Cindy blamed her and didn't help, there was no way that KC could tell Cindy about what happened to Caylee. Therefore poor little KC lied and partied and slept with boys to forget. Ugly coping!

 

[Horace Finklestein]

My jaw dropped when I read this, and it hit me just how much of a monster casey really is. To LET her attorneys go down this route is inhuman. If I were accused of a crime and even if I was stone cold INNOCENT, I would still plead guilty at this point to keep my family from further suffering and humiliation and accusations. It reminds me of king solomon and splitting the baby. At some point, you will say enough is enough, it's over, I give up, the suffering of others is too much to bear. But no, she's all on board with it (letting her father be discredited, be labelled crazy, and possibly a murderer), on the off off off chance it might help her. Sick sick sick. If George had any sense whatsoever, he would now start showing up at every single hearing to sit on CAYLEE'S side. I'm seriously stunned.

Yeah as far as teh cost/benefit part of it - they are going to try to destroy a person for the possibility of an incremental, minuscule benefit for Casey. The Florida Bar needs to start disbarring some people imo.

 

[logicalgirl]

I respectfully disagree. I think there is a lot they could do to change her. Starting with disciplining her heavily every time she lied when it became apparent she was becoming a chronic liar. They could have sought out psychological help for her, her mother could have stopped turning a blind eye to things, they could have held her accountable for the things she did.

It seems the one time CA wanted her to learn a hard lesson from her mistake was to make her have Caylee. That was the worst time to try and make up for years of disciplinary neglect. JMO

I don't disagree with you Steely Dan, except from what I've read - disciplining a sociopath just makes them go under ground, so to speak, and refine their manipulation techniques. Yes, I do agree accountability may have helped ICA to be more socially acceptable. Psych help? I think that's a pretty split vote out there among the professionals.

 

[ThinkTank]

I think he had his orders from Cindy!:innocent:

I also think maybe Conway begged George to show up, in order to somewhat try to keep Cindy in line with Conway's coaching of her on the witness stand.
It will be interesting to see if George attends the next Hearing, where Cindy is NOT testifying.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

"And since KC had already told Cindy about the abuse once and Cindy blamed her and didn't help"

Oh, wow, I think I missed this! When did Casey say that she had told Cindy about the abuse?

Here's what I remember:
1) Jesse said that Casey had told him that Lee had either molested her or that he
had said to her that he wanted to have sex with her.

2.) Tony Lazarro said she told him the molestation story?

3.) She told of molestation by brother and maybe father in letters to another jail inmate.

Could those of you who have a better memory please help clarify this for me?

Thanks!

 

[angeleleven]

Does anyone think that GA would gladly take the fall for his daughter, KC and go along with all these accusations? Just curious.....

 

[ThinkTank]

Does anyone think that GA would gladly take the fall for his daughter, KC and go along with all these accusations? Just curious.....

I think he has no choice. I think he will remain silent (publicly).
I think that even if he came out strongly, and PUBLICLY denied alllllll the accusations by KC ... it is too late .... the Defense steam roller is already in motion and headed straight for him. Whatever he says now, probably will not negate the heavy accusations the Defense is going to present to the jury, against George.

 

[Paintr]

"And since KC had already told Cindy about the abuse once and Cindy blamed her and didn't help"

Oh, wow, I think I missed this! When did Casey say that she had told Cindy about the abuse?

Here's what I remember:
1) Jesse said that Casey had told him that Lee had either molested her or that he
had said to her that he wanted to have sex with her.

2.) Tony Lazarro said she told him the molestation story?

3.) She told of molestation by brother and maybe father in letters to another jail inmate.

Could those of you who have a better memory please help clarify this for me?

Thanks!

Always, please don't make me read through those jail letters again. :banghead: I barely survived the first time. LOL! But I do believe (iirc) it was in a letter to Muffin that KC said she told Cindy about the supposed abuse. Maybe someone else has the link.

 

[ThinkTank]

"And since KC had already told Cindy about the abuse once and Cindy blamed her and didn't help"

Oh, wow, I think I missed this! When did Casey say that she had told Cindy about the abuse?

Here's what I remember:
1) Jesse said that Casey had told him that Lee had either molested her or that he
had said to her that he wanted to have sex with her.

2.) Tony Lazarro said she told him the molestation story?

3.) She told of molestation by brother and maybe father in letters to another jail inmate.

Could those of you who have a better memory please help clarify this for me?

Thanks!

http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069066.pdf
page 4

"...And I also know how it feels to be sexually abused. It's taken a long time for me to forgive and I've been somewhat successful in doing so. The worst part is, when I tried to confide in someone before - Jesse, my Mom, they turned on me. I was to blame for my own brother walking into my room at night and feeling my breasts while I slept. I woke up night after night with my sports bra lifted up over my chest or if I had on a regular bra it would be unhooked. Even if I was doing karate in my sleep, that wouldn't have happened. I woke up many times to a flashlight on my face and he would be sitting on my floor, in front of the bed staring at me. This went on for over 3 years before I finally stood up to Lee and told him if he ever came in my room again, I'd kill him. I was 15. It started just before I turned 12. When I told my Mom about it two years ago, she made excuses, saying that he was sleep walking. Not only did she say I was lying, but when I explained everything her reaction was literally like a knife in my chest - "So that's why you're a !!" I don't think having had sex with 7 or 1 people makes me a , but I could be wrong. Over the past few months, I've been having really vivid dreams, and it's obvious that they are dreams of things that have already happened. I think my Dad used to do the same thing to me but when I was much younger. I can see him in my room, exactly the way it was when I was in elementary school, and everything gets fuzzy. But I wake up feeling both sore and sick to my stomach, the way I used to feel growing up. That's part of the reason I haven't been sleeping much or very well lately. Maybe that's part of the reason why I have so much anxiety with my parents. I was able to get passed things with Lee, and it was far from easy. I saw a doctor on my own when I was 18, no one knows that. I went to get help except for you now. I found the courage to finally tell him that I forgive him, and you know he never asked me what I was forgiving him for. I think he must have known that's why we're more friends than brother and sister. It's easier to look to him as my friend, but even with openly forgiving him, part of that pain will always live in me. Not knowing about my dad, it's opened up a whole new case of insecurity and I don't know if I want to know but I think I need to. Please pray for me."

 

[Paintr]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069066.pdf
page 4

"...And I also know how it feels to be sexually abused. It's taken a long time for me to forgive and I've been somewhat successful in doing so. The worst part is, when I tried to confide in someone before - Jesse, my Mom, they turned on me. I was to blame for my own brother walking into my room at night and feeling my breasts while I slept. I woke up night after night with my sports bra lifted up over my chest or if I had on a regular bra it would be unhooked. Even if I was doing karate in my sleep, that wouldn't have happened. I woke up many times to a flashlight on my face and he would be sitting on my floor, in front of the bed staring at me. This went on for over 3 years before I finally stood up to Lee and told him if he ever came in my room again, I'd kill him. I was 15. It started just before I turned 12. When I told my Mom about it two years ago, she made excuses, saying that he was sleep walking. Not only did she say I was lying, but when I explained everything her reaction was literally like a knife in my chest - "So that's why you're a !!" I don't think having had sex with 7 or 1 people makes me a , but I could be wrong. Over the past few months, I've been having really vivid dreams, and it's obvious that they are dreams of things that have already happened. I think my Dad used to do the same thing to me but when I was much younger. I can see him in my room, exactly the way it was when I was in elementary school, and everything gets fuzzy. But I wake up feeling both sore and sick to my stomach, the way I used to feel growing up. That's part of the reason I haven't been sleeping much or very well lately. Maybe that's part of the reason why I have so much anxiety with my parents. I was able to get passed things with Lee, and it was far from easy. I saw a doctor on my own when I was 18, no one knows that. I went to get help except for you now. I found the courage to finally tell him that I forgive him, and you know he never asked me what I was forgiving him for. I think he must have known that's why we're more friends than brother and sister. It's easier to look to him as my friend, but even with openly forgiving him, part of that pain will always live in me. Not knowing about my dad, it's opened up a whole new case of insecurity and I don't know if I want to know but I think I need to. Please pray for me."

Thank you kindly, Think. You saved my sanity, what little I have left after following this case for two years. :blushing:

 

[nort]

What of the evidence would prove it was Casey specifically and not George. I realize there are pages and pages full but really I cant think of any that would exclude George as a possibility.