2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[Purple Iris]

IMO she didn't want to go this route right away for several reasons.

1. In spite of her obvious self-centeredness and selfishness, she cant possibly be completely devoid of all affection for her family so it wouldn't be her first choice.. not by a long shot. She wouldn't hesitate to do it to save herself, but I refuse to live in a world where I can believe that it would be her first choice to crucify her family.

2. Casey is more than smart enough to play it out as long as possible in order to not cut off any potential financial backing/support from her family.

3. Baez had her totally convinced early on that she was going to do an easy walk from all of this so why should she need to pull out the big guns unnecessarily? She has cut off most communication to anyone other than the lawyers or inmates so she has no real idea of how horribly the case is going other than the last few hearings where she seems to be getting a clue.

4. Finally, she is going to potentially open up a huge can of worms by going this route. Hurt and anger someone enough... and even though they might have a valid self-serving reason to keep their mouth shut because of something held over their head (which I believe she has on them.. be it real or imagined) .. and they will sing like the proverbial canary, even to their detriment. Casey's defense has almost nothing left to try .. this is the last big card she can play to save her life.

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You've said a lot of things that make a lot of sense.

I also believe that this "card" that is on the table right now has been put there as a last resort.
If these allegations were try, I think we would have heard rumblings of them sooner.

She "saved it".

I also wonder what she would think if someone took the time to put together newspaper clippings and some of the opinions following those articles, and wrote her a letter, and really laid it out there for her on just what her attorney and his team have done to her.

While I believe she is guilty, she can't know what her team has been doing, and the damage that they have done to her case.

I also wonder if George and Cindy may have had a gut feeling that it would come down to this; when it was leaked that they had been shopping around last year for a new attorney for her, but had not takers.

 

[Kentjbkent]

This is her best option, I absolutely agree with you ~ but the thought of Casey entering a No Contest after 2 years of stalling tactics makes me somewhat annoyed because I want to see a trial, I want to see all the evidence laid out, I want to hear the experts speak, and I want to hear the witnesses. It would seem anti-climactic, it wouldn't feel like justice for Caylee, and I don't see the point if she is granted an instant appeal.

Now with the Misty trial happening at the moment I heard that the judge has right to accept No Contest or not, and am assuming this is the case in criminal trials throughout Florida?

Unlerlined above is exactly why I think this may be a feasible option at this point. Case would stop there. No one would EVER really know what events transpired and what KC actually did to Caylee...

And I think KC would view this as a VICTORY for her! :furious:

 

[Kentjbkent]

I respectfully disagree with both of the above bolded. Casey could enter a "No Contest" Plea- I think that's also called an Alford plea, but...as AZLawyer pointed out, without a deal from the state, she can still get the death sentence. I see no reason for the state to offer a plea at this point, they have the body without Casey's help or cooperation, and the A family doesn't appear to want/need the details for closure. The only possible reason for the state to avoid a trial would be to save the cost. With all the circumstantial evidence they have, which is very powerful (watch a few episodes of Forensic Files if you need convincing), I think this case is a slam dunk!!! We're not talking OJ's, or even Michael Jackson's, or Robert Blake's celebrity star-struck juries, or "Dream Team" level lawyers!

But the State is still lacking one very important thing.....GUARANTEED CONVICTION!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Unlerlined above is exactly why I think this may be a feasible option at this point. Case would stop there. No one would EVER really know what events transpired and what KC actually did to Caylee...

And I think KC would view this as a VICTORY for her! :furious:

I totally agree....that's why it infuriates me, it's a total cop-out. It also allows her to continue playing her family with her ridiculous lies about being innocent (although I don't really think they believe her), and anyone else that she can draw into her web. Pleading No Contest would give Casey traction for the rest of her life and allow her to continue the position that she is falsely accused, theoretically innocent etc as well as letting her off with a lighter sentence :furious: .... I can really see her taking this option.

 

[zoey]

You've said a lot of things that make a lot of sense.

I also believe that this "card" that is on the table right now has been put there as a last resort.
If these allegations were try, I think we would have heard rumblings of them sooner.

She "saved it".

I also wonder what she would think if someone took the time to put together newspaper clippings and some of the opinions following those articles, and wrote her a letter, and really laid it out there for her on just what her attorney and his team have done to her.

While I believe she is guilty, she can't know what her team has been doing, and the damage that they have done to her case.

I also wonder if George and Cindy may have had a gut feeling that it would come down to this; when it was leaked that they had been shopping around last year for a new attorney for her, but had not takers.

however, when the State put the death penalty back on the plate she then told them that it was a feeble attempt to get her to change atty and accept a plea...anything negative that is said about jb is manufacutured by her "team" as being mean and untrue...she has been asked several times if she likes her team and she has said yes....they may be misrepresenting her big time but they also have her convinced that she is the victim of the State----so I really don't know if she would accept anything in that matter....IYKWIM?????

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Not necessarily.....

KC could change her plea to No Contest or enter into a plea agreement with SA for No Contest and this would result in a GUILTY sentence, but KC would be required to make no further statement other than to assure the judge that she understands this plea will result in a guilty conviction. End of story. She will also be entitled to the automatic appeal.

BUT: KC would not be claiming guilt at all, but that the evidence is so great, the "contest" over guilt is not in her favor. (See recent Attorney thread)

I still feel strongly this is where this case is headed. IF (big IF) KC is convinced this is her best option, I do not see SA unwilling to enter into negotitations to guarantee KC will stay behind bars. As personally involved as LDB and JA appear to be in the case, I just cannot imagine that they would be willing to gamble Justice for Caylee. There is always that percentage that this trial would end in an aquittal, and I just don't think either are willing to gamble in order to "win".....

I also think it is quite possible that "talks" with KC have already begun, attempting to convince her that her best option at this point is a "do over" in the appeal process.....enter Mr. Moss.....

JMHO

BBM

TY for that explanation..

Then the family can continue on with the martyr routine and that's not a good thing, IMO...I want to hear the words out of this prisoners mouth on how Caylee's demise came to be. I want her to tell what she's done, how she did it and of course, the Why she did it!

We can all assume and I'm guessing we are spot on with those explanations but I want this family to understand the implications, understand the dynamics, understand that Caylee was a person who was violated in the most heinous way, taking her life for no reasons other than rage/anger/jealousy and wanting freedom from the parental incubrances that she never provided for. It wasn't this prisoner who bought clother, food, paid rent, utilities to keep Caylee in a safe haven. Seems this prisoner was out of control for a long time. CA/GA always turned a blind eye and deaf ear to their felonious child, Inmate Anthony...which allowed her to gain more strength with her diabolical ways..

I do understand that this might be the only way to go to ensure this inmate never walks free...that I'm okay with...I just want the details...KWIM???JMHO


Justice for Caylee

 

[5stars]

I think the family videos that gave them the cash cow will come back to bite them in the *.NO bonding in none of the videos that I have seen .

 

[logicalgirl]

She killed caylee and dumped her in the woods. I'd say any semblance of affection for anyone, at least the way I understand it is out the window. Not saying she wishes them any ill will, but there's no way any of them actually mean anything to Casey imo.

Agree HF, I don't think she is capable of caring for anyone beyond herself. Other people have value for what they can do for her, provide for her, or give her but she cares for no one but herself.

I think this is the nature of her personality disorder and I don't believe it is something that can be cured.

 

[LambChop]

I think GA would be a fool if he allowed KC to make these allegations against him if they were not true. They could have far reaching consequences if he agrees they are true. Should Lee have children in the GA would be unable to have contact with them, I would imagine. I hope GA stands up for himself. jmo

 

[ThinkTank]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069172.pdf
page 8
OCSO Report - "Casey Anthony told Robyn Adams she had been sexually abused by both her brother Lee Anthony and her father George Anthony. Casey Anthony said Lee Anthony had sexual intercourse with her until she was fifteen. She claims she was molested by George Anthony when she was younger, but Casey Anthony did not elaborate further. Robyn Adams believes Casey Anthony mentioned this in one of the letters she kept and mailed to Tracey Nealley."

 

[Macushla]

I wonder why the defense is not 'investigating' Lee also? If, as people have suggested, they are going to go the molestation route - why not go after Lee too? A very curious omission isn't it?

 

[TorisMom003]

I wonder why the defense is not 'investigating' Lee also? If, as people have suggested, they are going to go the molestation route - why not go after Lee too? A very curious omission isn't it?

Give them time. I feel that this is coming as well. They just need to sew up George first then they go after Lee. They will also be going after Cindy "for not protecting Casey" from George and Lee. We have already seen the letter that Casey claimed Cindy didn't do anything to stop it and even blamed Casey for being a or something to that effect because of it.

 

[Soju]

Give them time. I feel that this is coming as well. They just need to sew up George first then they go after Lee. They will also be going after Cindy "for not protecting Casey" from George and Lee. We have already seen the letter that Casey claimed Cindy didn't do anything to stop it and even blamed Casey for being a or something to that effect because of it.

ITA TorisMom! I also think part of the reason the defense is focusing so much on George is that his testimony will be the most damning to casey (apart from LE/forensic experts etc). Lee doesn't have much to offer, and his testimony can't really hurt casey as much as george's will.

 

[ThinkTank]

Give them time. I feel that this is coming as well. They just need to sew up George first then they go after Lee. They will also be going after Cindy "for not protecting Casey" from George and Lee. We have already seen the letter that Casey claimed Cindy didn't do anything to stop it and even blamed Casey for being a or something to that effect because of it.

They've got CINDY bringing the chloroform home from work!

http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069172.pdf
page 8
OCSO Report - "Robin Adams talked with Casey Anthony on a variety of topics. Casey Anthony told her Caylee Anthony had trouble sleeping and she had to use chloroform to put her to sleep. Casey Anthony implied her mother Cindy Anthony may have brought the chloroform home when she worked at a local clinic."

 

[faefrost]

I wonder why the defense is not 'investigating' Lee also? If, as people have suggested, they are going to go the molestation route - why not go after Lee too? A very curious omission isn't it?

Lee's not as juicy a target. While you have the random accusation of sex abuse, it lacks the reasonable doubt drama of him being the next in the chain besides the defendant to see of have contact with Caylee. So I think even this clueless defense realizes that they while they can accuse Lee of something in the past, there is no path to reasonable doubt to be found with Lee. He had no direct contact with child within the timeline, and his whereabouts and activities are pretty well documented. They will only go after him for purposes of mitigation.

George and to a lesser extent Cindy are the reasonable doubt targets so they are where JB and company will dig the deepest.

 

[ynotdivein]

Why do I keep envisioning the defense team sitting around a table scoring GA, CA and LA in the categories of "reasonable doubt" and "mitigation phase"?

As faefrost pointed out above, Lee gets very low scores for reasonable doubt but may be of value to them in mitigation.

Cindy doesn't score so well in the reasonable doubt column but blows the roof off the mitigation side. They can keep her in their back pocket through trial, in case George manages to crawl out from under the bus, but probably plan to save the destruction of CA for the mitigation phase.

And George--off the charts on both columns (if you ignore the lazy disposal of the body and accept the molestation accusations). Might as well put a bow on him--it's Christmas in July!

 

[MADJGNLAW]

They've got CINDY bringing the chloroform home from work!

http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069172.pdf
page 8
OCSO Report - "Robin Adams talked with Casey Anthony on a variety of topics. Casey Anthony told her Caylee Anthony had trouble sleeping and she had to use chloroform to put her to sleep. Casey Anthony implied her mother Cindy Anthony may have brought the chloroform home when she worked at a local clinic."

They would have to take another route IMO because there is "no" way Cindy could of brought Chloroform home from work. It has been illegal for many years now. I could be wrong though.

 

[Solace]

Lee's not as juicy a target. While you have the random accusation of sex abuse, it lacks the reasonable doubt drama of him being the next in the chain besides the defendant to see of have contact with Caylee. So I think even this clueless defense realizes that they while they can accuse Lee of something in the past, there is no path to reasonable doubt to be found with Lee. He had no direct contact with child within the timeline, and his whereabouts and activities are pretty well documented. They will only go after him for purposes of mitigation.

George and to a lesser extent Cindy are the reasonable doubt targets so they are where JB and company will dig the deepest.

Do you think George will last in the courtroom through all of this?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

They would have to take another route IMO because there is "no" way Cindy could of brought Chloroform home from work. It has been illegal for many years now. I could be wrong though.

I doubt that too...can't find any links where chloroform is still used in medicine, only as an industrial agent.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloroform[/ame]

 

[ynotdivein]

Do you think George will last in the courtroom through all of this?

Solace, that is an interesting question. We haven't seen GA on the stand yet. We've seen that on TV interviews he chokes, or is choked by, CA. We've seen that when LE interviews him he seems... pliable, wanting to please. We can assume from the results of his grand jury testimony that he said enough, in such a manner, that KC didn't waltz out a free being. When the pressure was too much "in general" he sought out a caring spirit who would understand him and have compassion for him, and when he got overwhelmed he tried to commit something that tried to look like suicide in order to get attention/compassion... Surely the State has taken note of all this.

I want him to do the right thing but in the end, GA is an instrument. When he is being played by CA, he produces one set of (IMO very ugly) notes. When LDB and JA are the instrumentalists, I think they may very well be able to coax out of George his strongest performance yet.