2010.09.07 - Ron talking to LE per AH on JVM

I am aware that you were in the courtroom that day when the judge warned Ron that he had to comply, or else. Since I was not there, and since I see no reason for you to pull the wool over my eyes, I will take what you have posted to heart and really try to muster up a bit of faith that justice will be served--not swiftly, but served nonetheless. Thank you very much for your post.

Ronald Cummings' required role in his plea deal can be heard while being read into the record by the SA beginning at the 1:07 mark of this video:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video...Details+of+Ronald+Cummings'+Plea/591024107001

It is very clearly stipulated what he must do and what the penalty will be if he does not.
 
Ronald Cummings' required role in his plea deal can be heard while being read into the record by the SA beginning at the 1:07 mark of this video:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video...Details+of+Ronald+Cummings'+Plea/591024107001

It is very clearly stipulated what he must do and what the penalty will be if he does not.

Thanks for posting this Papa.

Interesting what was said: "Any lawful proceeding." Ron's got to tell the truth in any case they bring to court.

I noticed in the video that when the attorney states the charges to be dropped in the course of this agreement, Ron turns his head to the right and seems to nod to someone. Anyone else recognize it that way?

jmo
 
ya no there was a time when a child went missing le,s main concern was stripping the family inside out..now days they let the family dictate who they think did it in which i can think of 3 cases like that now and the cases go on for ever..its always better to come out swinging in the beginning instead of the end because there may never be an ending.
 
(B/ULBM)
Jumping off this post, I know alot of people are frustrated with this case and the slow movement of it. I believe the SA and all involved in the investigation are doing everything they can to find Haleigh and bring justice for her.

Ron is his own worst enemy. He thinks he is so smart and smug and that he is fooling everyone. He will trip himself up. The SA/LE have him right where they want him. He got greedy with his plea deal on the drug charges. If he tells a lie and LE/SA can prove it he is done. He doesn't know what they have on him and what other people have said in their statements to LE. He is being played. As I've said before the trap is set and Ron will trip it. He will be caught and will pay for all of the mistakes he has made in his sorry life, as well as the others involved.

JMO

Re:BBM above;
I agree a hundred percent! If you don't mind, I'd like to jump off of your post Twall (what is this now, triple-jump-post?! lol). I've brought a previous post of mine along because it includes the words of the plea agreement, read by the SA in the courtroom (8/20/10);

Originally Posted by nomoresorrow on 08-26-2010;
IMO, based upon the outlined paragraph that the SA stood and read in the courtroom prior to RC officially accepting the plea offer before the judge, this is an absolute win/win for the state of Florida and more importantly, for the investigators in HaLeigh's case;

Quoting the SA;
Mr. Cummings understands and agrees that this negotiation comtemplates him providing truthful, substantial assistance to include, but not limited to, truthful testimony if called upon by the state of Florida in any lawful proceeding including, but not limited to, statements, depositions, hearings, trials, or any other situation required.

I understand that my failure to provide substantial assistance or truthful testimony in any lawful proceeding when called upon by the state will constitute a breach of this negotiated deposition contract and, as a consequence, my plea will stand but the negotiated sentence will not and I may be sentenced to any lawful sentence, which includes up to the statutory maximum on each individual count, consecutively.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5555181#post5555181
Source: http://www.news4jax.com/video/24705313/index.html

I'm of the opinion that the SA would not have offered Ronald this deal/made this agreement UNLESS they already had him halfway in the bag and they know, with this agreement, Ronald will put himself in the rest of the way. You hit it spot-on here Twall when you said; "He doesn't know what they have on him and what other people have said in their statements to LE." As discouraged as I get with this case, down-deep I truly believe that there's a very good reason behind the silence from Ronald's neighbors, co-workers, HaLeigh's school, and yes, even the A/C guy, who's rumored to be Ronald's cousin's ex, and Ronald's "past" friend Orlando. Ronald has been resting easy, believing that the only real threat to him would be from those whose testimony would very unlikely hold up in a court of law and under cross exam (Croslin's, NayNay, Amber, Crystal, etc,etc,ect.,). But what Ronald isn't expecting is those who have very wisely, particularly for their own safety and the safety of their families, remained silent -some falling off the radar altogether, being his opponents. Those who won't/can't be so easily discredited/dismissed.

How anyone can read this plea agreement and interpret it to mean that the SA views Ronald favorably, or at least more favorable than any of the others involved, and believes that is why Ronald was given this plea deal, is beyond me. IMO, brace for a shock - Especially Ronald's when he finds out that people really did come through for HaLeigh - credible individuals who gave statements, statements that they'll testify to in a court of law. Testimony (finally) pertaining to the time he arrived/left work, the noise(s) regularly heard from within his home (i.e., shouting threats, screams, children crying...), the vehicle traffic coming and going from the house, particularly on the night/early morning in question that HaLeigh disappeared, and who picked HaLeigh up at the bus stop that last fateful day, etc,etc,etc.
My prediction: This isn't going to play out like Ronald's other past days in court...

~ MO ~
 
Thanks for posting this Papa.

Interesting what was said: "Any lawful proceeding." Ron's got to tell the truth in any case they bring to court.

I noticed in the video that when the attorney states the charges to be dropped in the course of this agreement, Ron turns his head to the right and seems to nod to someone. Anyone else recognize it that way?

jmo

Yeah, probably his momma.
 
If misty knew the Magnolia house was empty, I am betting that is where she was hiding out on Monday, the 9th. She may have gone there after Chelsea got home for some peace and quiet.

Ron came a-hunting for misty and got into a fight with JO at Chelsea's house or Hank sr's house. Ron doesnt go anywhere w/o a gun. It had been said that rc was in a fight with somebody in CC before he went to work....my money is on JO. rc may have left the children alone in the MH while he was hunting down misty to babysit.

There has to be a very good reason why ron denied the fight and the gun story. we all have said this from the very first day. So now ron is saying he had a fight with JO. So is he going to say JO killed Haleigh and not misty? Whatever he says, I am sure the State will not be able to prove it is a lie. Ron is so proud of himself. Looking at him nodding to somebody (mommy?) when his charges were dropped just shows how sure he is. He loves himself and he feels he is in total control of this fiasco. I would like nothing better than somebody to knock him off his styrofoam throne.
 
My point was that we assume misty was dropped off at her brother's and I am going to assume for this question, it was timmy's.

So if she arrived at the MH on Green at some point, who brought her there? Did rc drag her back? Did JO deliver her? Somebody else?

I felt early on that she was dropped off at Timmy and Chelsea's house so they could go to the hospital to see Hank Sr. and Misty could stay and watch the kids. Maybe it was Timmy who took Misty back over to Magnolia around 12:30-1:00AM. Wasn't it said on one of the Cobra audios that Timmy was up at that time of night? Yet, Chelsea claims he was asleep?

I also read somewhere that Chelsea's kids are all 4yrs and younger. If true I question why Chelsea would of been at the bus stop Feb 9th. Could of been how Misty got back on that side of town? Maybe she went over to the MH on Magnolia since her and Ron were still fighting, and Ron rushed after her and what ever happen, happen there? Wasn't it said that the Van went the opposite direction, not to-wards Green? I thought I also read somewhere that Ron was seen flying by that afternoon as well?
LE feels that Haleigh may of died in that area. Maybe Ron did have a fight before he went off to work in that area and maybe the fight was not with Joe? Maybe Haleigh was caught in the line of fire?
Something tells me that Misty was staying at the Magnolia address that night and when Ron got off work, after his stop for nuts, beer, and cigarette's he picked Misty up and took her to the Green Ln address to make the call? Maybe she started making her call near Tommy's and hung up because Ron wanted her to call from the MH on Green, maybe that is why LE was on Tyler first? LE can track calls down when the caller hangs up.
 
I felt early on that she was dropped off at Timmy and Chelsea's house so they could go to the hospital to see Hank Sr. and Misty could stay and watch the kids. Maybe it was Timmy who took Misty back over to Magnolia around 12:30-1:00AM. Wasn't it said on one of the Cobra audios that Timmy was up at that time of night? Yet, Chelsea claims he was asleep?

I also read somewhere that Chelsea's kids are all 4yrs and younger. If true I question why Chelsea would of been at the bus stop Feb 9th. Could of been how Misty got back on that side of town? Maybe she went over to the MH on Magnolia since her and Ron were still fighting, and Ron rushed after her and what ever happen, happen there? Wasn't it said that the Van went the opposite direction, not to-wards Green? I thought I also read somewhere that Ron was seen flying by that afternoon as well?
LE feels that Haleigh may of died in that area. Maybe Ron did have a fight before he went off to work in that area and maybe the fight was not with Joe? Maybe Haleigh was caught in the line of fire?
Something tells me that Misty was staying at the Magnolia address that night and when Ron got off work, after his stop for nuts, beer, and cigarette's he picked Misty up and took her to the Green Ln address to make the call? Maybe she started making her call near Tommy's and hung up because Ron wanted her to call from the MH on Green, maybe that is why LE was on Tyler first? LE can track calls down when the caller hangs up.

BBM.. I question her reason for being there too and IMHO LE needs to find a way to haul little Ms. Chelsey 's rear back to Putnam County..She knows a hellova lot more than she is telling..JMHO
 
Thanks for posting this Papa.

Interesting what was said: "Any lawful proceeding." Ron's got to tell the truth in any case they bring to court.

I noticed in the video that when the attorney states the charges to be dropped in the course of this agreement, Ron turns his head to the right and seems to nod to someone. Anyone else recognize it that way?

jmo

Yes, I noticed that the first time I watched it. He is giving someone in the gallery one of his famous smirks. I hope someday soon that smirk will be wiped off his face.

JMO
 
Ronald Cummings' required role in his plea deal can be heard while being read into the record by the SA beginning at the 1:07 mark of this video:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video...Details+of+Ronald+Cummings'+Plea/591024107001

It is very clearly stipulated what he must do and what the penalty will be if he does not.

Ahhhhh, yes, music to my ears everytime I hear the terms of the plea agreement, especially the last sentence.

I may be sentenced to any lawful sentence, which includes up to the statutory maximum on each individual count, consecutively.

:pinocchio:
Ron and the truth are strangers.
:pinocchio:
 
I know the State Attorney is in charge of these cases. It is the same State Attorney in all these cases..Misty, Ronald, Tommy ect. You should have heard the great case the state presented on Tommy for sentencing. And they were right on top of what Werter stated about Tommy helping in the HaLeigh case. The state attorney told the judge that everything Tommy gave them was nothing but lies. And that Tommy was there and knows what happened to HaLeigh and he refuses to talk. The Judge listened intently. I was there his is not second hand.

[BBM]

It almost sounds like Tommy was sentenced for his role in Haleigh's case and not the drug charges.

If he was THERE, as the SA stated, why not arrest him for withholding information, lying to LE, etc.? I'm not understanding how the drug charges and sentence should connect to the Haleigh case, but there it is, big as day, stated by the SA.
 
I'm anxious to hear what RC has given LE to warrant two MM charges of 25 years each dropped. The fight over a gun? Weren't there eye witnesses to that fight? Why do they need RC's testimony on that? Didn't Hank, Sr., break up that fight?

Surely there is more and I'm waiting to see it. In fact, there better be a LOT more.
 
[BBM]

It almost sounds like Tommy was sentenced for his role in Haleigh's case and not the drug charges.

If he was THERE, as the SA stated, why not arrest him for withholding information, lying to LE, etc.? I'm not understanding how the drug charges and sentence should connect to the Haleigh case, but there it is, big as day, stated by the SA.

I'm not too clear on how this works but I will give it my best guess.
If Tommy is charged in Haleigh's case the Sunshine Law would kick in and I don't think the SA wants that to happen yet.
I'm not sure about the statute of limitations pertaining to lying, withholding information but I do know there is no statute of limitation when it comes to murder charges.
It all comes down to the saying "the wheels of justice turn slowly".

JMO
 
I'm anxious to hear what RC has given LE to warrant two MM charges of 25 years each dropped. The fight over a gun? Weren't there eye witnesses to that fight? Why do they need RC's testimony on that? Didn't Hank, Sr., break up that fight?

Surely there is more and I'm waiting to see it. In fact, there better be a LOT more.

You're not the only one who is anxious to hear what RC has given LE!
I keep reminding myself that the deal isn't just for information RC is giving now, but pertains to the future, also. Ron may have a lot of talking to do and it better be the truth or his deal will go right down the toilet.

JMO
 
Taken from some things heard in interviews I'm beginning to believe this process is being used. In other words, kick off your shoes, lean back in the lazy boys and eat some fruit loops. The wheels of justice are grinding.

http://library.findlaw.com/2005/Feb/21/138691.html

You are 100% correct! That is the word used by Shoemaker to the State Attorney in the court room about Ronald's deal.

Thanks for the information.
 
I think the judge viewed Tommy as a petty criminal of long standing. He had charges pending when he was arrested for trafficking and his prior arrests had not made him tow the mark at all. As for him being sentenced because of Haleigh, I am not so sure we can assume that just because Haleigh's name was brought up during his sentencing that the judge pronounced a harsher sentence due to the Haleigh case. Tommy's attorney brought Haleigh's name up...and the SA had to respond to the claim that Tommy had helped LE. IWO, Werter tried to use Haleigh's case as a sort of defense for Tommy--claiming he had cooperated--but the SA didn't see that he had cooperated at all, and stated that. Had Werter not brought up Haleigh's name I doubt the SA would have made the statement that he did. JMO.
 
[BBM]

It almost sounds like Tommy was sentenced for his role in Haleigh's case and not the drug charges.

If he was THERE, as the SA stated, why not arrest him for withholding information, lying to LE, etc.? I'm not understanding how the drug charges and sentence should connect to the Haleigh case, but there it is, big as day, stated by the SA.
I so agree with you, & I have some mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, Tommy is lying & deserves to have it stuck to him, but on the other hand, I don't think the Haleigh card should be used like that...& with no proof! I understand that giving information that helps solve another case, is rewarded, but not giving that information, shouldn't have the opposite effect. Tommy is probably deeply involved, but if LE's gonna call him a suspect, then they need to back it up with some proof. This just makes these man mins that much more dangerous. Tommy got it handed to him, because he's lying in the Haleigh case, Donna Brock got it handed to her, because she has no information, in the Haleigh case, & Ron is getting the deal, because he's snitching, in the Haleigh case. Something's wrong with this set up.
 
I think the judge viewed Tommy as a petty criminal of long standing. He had charges pending when he was arrested for trafficking and his prior arrests had not made him tow the mark at all. As for him being sentenced because of Haleigh, I am not so sure we can assume that just because Haleigh's name was brought up during his sentencing that the judge pronounced a harsher sentence due to the Haleigh case. Tommy's attorney brought Haleigh's name up...and the SA had to respond to the claim that Tommy had helped LE. IWO, Werter tried to use Haleigh's case as a sort of defense for Tommy--claiming he had cooperated--but the SA didn't see that he had cooperated at all, and stated that. Had Werter not brought up Haleigh's name I doubt the SA would have made the statement that he did. JMO.
I've wondered about that very thing, but I do believe the SA would've brought it up anyway. Tommy is sticking with this Joe story, so Werter may have felt that he had no choice, but it seemed so low.
 
I'm not too clear on how this works but I will give it my best guess.
If Tommy is charged in Haleigh's case the Sunshine Law would kick in and I don't think the SA wants that to happen yet.
I'm not sure about the statute of limitations pertaining to lying, withholding information but I do know there is no statute of limitation when it comes to murder charges.
It all comes down to the saying "the wheels of justice turn slowly".

JMO

Well, I for one and many others I'm sure, anxiously await for the Sunshine Laws to kick in. My point is, I just don't see how the SA's can bring up Haleigh's case in relation to the drug charges and have that factored in to Tommy's sentencing. Is it because his own attorney, Werter brought it up?

Granted, Tommy did himself no favors with the Shell Harbor story and I'd be madder than a wet hen if I had bought it hook, line and sinker to the tune of thousands of dollars for dive teams and national egg on my face. Still, I'm not so sure it is JUST to bring up Haleigh's case for consideration when handing down a drug sentence. Even the judge admonished Tommy for dealing drugs during a missing child's case. Tommy was no relation to Haleigh when she disappeared and according to LE, died, which means Tommy was never related to Haleigh. So what does that have to do with Tommy and what he was or wasn't doing during a missing child's case?

If LE or the SA want to slap him around for sending them off on a wild goose chase, so be it, but make those charges on a separate case, don't piggyback onto a drug charge. I don't know, I'm just not so sure Werter has done Tommy any favors in this case.

I guess we'll see if the same admonishments are handed down to the father of this missing child who was also out dealing drugs instead of looking for his 'heart' or setting a good example for his remaining son(s). I certainly hope so. I also hope the judge will admonish Ronald for not coming forward before his butt was on the line with what he knows about the night/morning of February 9th/10th of 2009. I expect it and I want to hear it!

Mini rant over, carry on. LOL
 

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