2010.09.27 Status hearing - Ext to 2010.11.19

[CarolinaMoon]

The aspirin has taken effect and I've read the entire thread. I'm sorry I didn't take the time to thank every poster individually! You all were fantastic!

I'm not a lawyer, but as a teacher I know from organizational skills. If Baez had taken on one or two trained people, perhaps paralegals, at the beginning of the case to read, organize, and cross-reference and index the discovery documents from the get-go, he wouldn't be in such a pickle today.

Of course, he would have had to do a lot of reading himself, but it would be purpousful and organized.

Oops! I forgot. He was doing the case on the cheap. Remember him complaining about the cost of depositions? Instead of doing the major ones first, he frittered his time on side issues. He's probably spent more time digging up dirt on everyone and hasn't had time to do some solid legal work on legitimate issues.

I worked as a teacher and never, ever missed a deadline in over 30 years. AND, I worked nights and weekends the entire time school was in session. That was just what was expected. Same is true with attorneys. Especially true for attorneys working on a death penalty case.

 

[sleutherontheside]

http://www.wftv.com/video/25180059/index.html
Right about 18:17 in the first video of the hearing.......JB comments...

"I don't really consider the dog handlers experts, but they might fall under that category."

His sarcasm tells me that the cadaver dogs are a big concern to the defense.


At about the 10 minute mark JB stated that they "have to go through about 23,000 documents for each witness". Really???? That many???? HaHa

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Let me ask a really obvious question here that I could see HHJP was just clenching his teeth not to say.

How do you expect to meet your October 31st deadline, which is in 34 days, if you don't even know how many depositions you have left to do? How - HOW - HOW? :banghead::banghead::banghead:

Well they can do 30 depos in a day I thought?

 

[Kentjbkent]

How does Baez get to 23,000 documents when all the discovery released is numbered by page and it has not even reached 23K pages? Maybe he's including all of his documents also, don't really know but find his ranting that there's so much discovery he can't get things done a very poor excuse.

Like you explain so well, there are ways to tackle that much information in a logical and expedient way. I think Jose (or Casey for that matter) did themselves a disservice by adding attorneys from out of state to the team (Linda Kenny-Baden, Todd Macaluso, Andrea Lyon.) It prevented them from easily dividing and conquering the mass amounts of witnesses to depose, and now they're paying the price, especially with the revolving door of attorneys. JMO.

From what I read on another forum this weekend, the 23,000 document count refers to the total number of documents that SA has turned over to Defense.

To date, over 17,000 has been released to the public.....

Do the math....and we ain't seen everything yet! :dance:

 

[Dear Prudence]

Article on the "world renowned" Touch DNA expert that is relocating to Denver per JB:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_12102408

So a woman who snaps at people who don't share her socialist views wants to move to America because she can get a lot more business here. :waitasec: Ah, ok. Hypocrite much?

 

[Kentjbkent]

You are correct and I'll give JB the benefit of the doubt that this is his first big case. Which only means his first big case shouldn't be a death penalty case.

And I totally agree with you Beach there is zero reason this team of 5 attys can't stay on task. And I hope Honorable Perry keeps their feet to the fire about staying on track. Otherwise if it were up to the defense it would be another 5 years before a jury heard this case.

It is really quite simple.

XX amount of Depositions need to be completed = XX amount of Hours

IF there was a nice overflowing escrow account of ICA $$ that could be billed against....

I bet these five defense attorneys would be beating each other over the head to hold these depositions.....

I suspect these "pro bono" attorneys are only going expend their "biilable hours" as minimally as possible...during trial time....when it is BROADCAST around the world....

 

[Dear Prudence]

From what I read on another forum this weekend, the 23,000 document count refers to the total number of documents that SA has turned over to Defense.

To date, over 17,000 has been released to the public.....

Do the math....and we ain't seen everything yet! :dance:

Thank you, that makes sense. But still, it's 23,000 pages not documents. Or am I being too anal here?

 

[JSR]

You know what I really don't get? The TOTAL lack of respect Baez has for deadlines. I've never seen anything like it. It was drilled into my head for years that you don't miss deadlines. It just is not an option. Figure it out and make it happen.

I have missed one deadline over 13 yrs and I remember it like it was yesterday. I had put a small case on the back burner while I was busy putting out bigger fires. I noticed it 45 min. after court had closed on a Friday. My boss was out of town and I had to call him. uke: I called him bawling and groveling...apologizing ad nauseum. He was wonderful...placed a call to the Judge and got an extension over the phone. Then he called me back to calm me down. lol That happened 8 yrs. ago and I still feel queasy when I think about it. lol

I just feel like I went to confession typing that :blushing:.....and it doesn't seem to phase Baez in the least.:waitasec:

Yes deadlines are HUGE in litigation. And if it's a biggie it also means malpractice. I'm sure his malpractice insurance agency is thrilled to see how flippant he is regarding meeting deadlines.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Thank you, that makes sense. But still, it's 23,000 pages not documents. Or am I being too anal here?

Pages of documents? :waitasec:

 

[JSR]

It is really quite simple.

XX amount of Depositions need to be completed = XX amount of Hours

IF there was a nice overflowing escrow account of ICA $$ that could be billed against....

I bet these five defense attorneys would be beating each other over the head to hold these depositions.....

I suspect these "pro bono" attorneys are only going expend their "biilable hours" as minimally as possible...during trial time....when it is BROADCAST around the world....

You are correct. If they are part of a separate firm they are still accountable to make their OWN billable quota. And doing pro bono work isn't going to help that quota. And if they DON'T have a quota I'm sure their associates and partners aren't going to appreciate having to pick up the slack to bring in the dough while they work on this case.

Bottom line is this. They shouldn't be reviewing each of the 23k or whatever documents every time a deposition is scheduled. It's reviewed once for various relevancy and tagged accordingly. You organize your evidence first. It kills me when I hear of it being done backwards.

Which might be why his motions are so disjointed. You always always always know your evidence first. And then you work out the motion/case/argument. You don't make up the argument first and then find/manufacture evidence to meet your argument/case.

I've seen it done backwards and it always makes for a painstaking work down the road.

 

[Solace]

Yes deadlines are HUGE in litigation. And if it's a biggie it also means malpractice. I'm sure his malpractice insurance agency is thrilled to see how flippant he is regarding meeting deadlines.

He does not even come to court with lists of who is to deposed and who has not; he has to go through his idiotic papers instead of being professional and handing the judge and the other side his list. Its amazing he has gotten this far. I won't even get started on his sign outside his lawfirm.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Beginning at 13 minutes http://www.wftv.com/video/25180059/index.html

Scripted Events and United Fronts

JB: Judge I'm not going to respond, uh I will respond in this sense that.. Our original plan for the inspection of evidence included all of our experts to meet together so that one could consult with one another and make use of the important time and the travel required for the evidence inspection to take place.

We attempted in good faith to be able to complete all of the examination. With all due respect to Mr. Ashton he is not an entomologist or a forensic scientist. They have uh attempted to do it expeditiously and in a united front where all experts could meet and consult with one another. Unfortunately some things did not work out.

We immediately brought that to the courts attention when we returned at the following status hearing. As to time uh uh I don't think uh Mr. Ashton or the State of Florida is prejudiced in any way basically they uh uh we keep running into an issue of where we're being handed discovery as previously mentioned 70 additional witnesses and 8000 additional...

HHJP: "All I'm interested in Mr. Baez is the expert witnesses that is the subject not the new ones. We'll get to those as we come."

JB: Well, that would be that would be my response Judge we made it a good faith attempt by bringing them ah uh We didn't bring Dr. Huntington to Orlando so he could go to Disney World. We brought him down here to do a job. He attempted his best effort to do what he did and unfortunately things didn't work out based on the amount of evidence and the uh lack uh of proper equipment. He did bring uh two separate microscopes uh with him. Traveled down and made the best efforts but uh after a short period of time he advised me "this is not going to be able to be done properly what should I do". And I said well I, uh in fact I think we brought it immediately to the states attention while they were there and we came to the agreement no problem we'll send it to them we have an agreement uh uh I I just don't understand what the issue would be um Mr. Ashton hasn't stated how he's prejudiced in a way just that it delays his preparation. Unfortunately it's not a scripted event, we didn't try to do..uh we didn't try to uh do anything intentionally to stall it wasn't a we weren't able to do it when we had in the manner which we tried.

I couldn't help but chuckle when JB said the word stall and raised his voice like KC did when she said "sorry" to Amy H. in the check case.

 

[nums24]

For the record, IMHO, JB should not be allowed to wear any shade of purple or lavender! The one defending Caylee's murderer should not wear Caylee's favorite color!

 

[hornswoggled]

He does not even come to court with lists of who is to deposed and who has not; he has to go through his idiotic papers instead of being professional and handing the judge and the other side his list. Its amazing he has gotten this far. I won't even get started on his sign outside his lawfirm.

BBM

LOL Solace. I know it's trivial given the other things discussed. However I was sitting here looking at his sign and shaking my head. Image, image... delusion.

 

[The World According]

So good to see you Kent and Sleuther!!!!

The funny part for me was when the judge was letting the defense know they could work nights and weekends to finish the depositions, and Cheney
said (unclear if he was unaware of the hot mic), "I am in trials and you are in trials," Hello......come in Tokyo, this is why we all laughed out loud when Cheney took on another high profile case AFTER signing on to this one.

You just can't make this stuff up!!!!

 

[Sun]

I liked Mason's comment - this is a murder case and this witness (Amy H. docking in Miami) should be in touch with us when she can come to us to be deposed, not us fitting our time into hers. (I adlibbed a bit there, but that was the jist of it)

HHJP's face was classic. :croc:

"Remember October 31" are the words that HHJP kept repeating.

 

[sleutherontheside]

"Remember October 31" are the words that HHJP kept repeating.

I'll bet ya it will be much more than just Halloween spooking JB that day.

 

[coco puff]

How come there are no "pro bono" attorneys offering to help with deposition? I guess doing a depo for JB won't get your face on TV.

 

[logicalgirl]

Just so I don't have to listen to Baez rambling on and on - can anyone please remind me what two documents Baez did not want ICA to sign? HHJP's comments were Death is different, and because your defendent is here, you can have that accomplished by the close of tomorrow?

Anyone? To me it seemed Baez was fudging around either because he didn't want to have to explain them to ICA, or he thought she would refuse to sign them. Either way, something odd was going on there.

Thx in advance.

 

[strawberry]

Just so I don't have to listen to Baez rambling on and on - can anyone please remind me what two documents Baez did not want ICA to sign? HHJP's comments were Death is different, and because your defendent is here, you can have that accomplished by the close of tomorrow?

Anyone? To me it seemed Baez was fudging around either because he didn't want to have to explain them to ICA, or he thought she would refuse to sign them. Either way, something odd was going on there.

Thx in advance.

Or what minute mark? I'd love to hear it for myself:dance: