2011.01.06 Baez Slapped with Formal Sanction

[faefrost]

I admit that was my first thought.

Then, I thought that was a bit too arrogant & crazy even for him. So, I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt (don't ask me why..:loser and assume he was in essence saying, "I might be willing to give you an interview if you agree to print a 'Casey/defense friendly' favorable story."


I'm not saying I really believe that... :innocent:

I don't know. :shakehead:

If this was a lone incident I might be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. But there just seem to be so many of these. We still don't know who brokered the ABC deals, but we have never heard a lawyers name mentioned in association with them that wasn't JB. And he should have been specifically ethically barred from doing so. At what point is someone going to say enough is enough and kick over this anthill that all parties involved know is there? I know noone wants to impede KC's right to a fair trial and competent representation of her choosing or at least approval. But if you see a problem or a serious ethical violation or pattern of behavior in one of the lawyers, isn't it better for the case, the defendant and the court to get it in the open and cleared before the trial formally starts, rather than after when it becomes an appellate issue?

As far as it being too arrogant and crazy even for him. I love you Beach, but I think that you may be looking at it through the filter of having alot of experience with normal everyday legal professionals. You inately know how they will act because that is how they are trained to act, conditioned to act. What things they do do and what things they don't do. Little things like "you don't ignore specific orders from the judge." "if you will miss a deadline you contact the judge". "deadlines, court dates and legal proceedings are not optional at your whim". I am more and more not sure that JB is operating within that realm. He is much like his client. KC as a sociopath is able to lie so constantly and so effectively because she simply cuts through those mental filters of behavior that every other person is conditioned as a member of society to have. That thought of "why would she lie about that" keeps coming up over and over. She exists outside of the normal structure of behavior. That is what a sociopath is. And it's scary how effective she can be at it. (just note on these forums how often stories that are only ultimately attributable to her and her alone, take on a life of their own until they start assumed to be fact. LP has much the same gift of tall tales.) In the case of JB more and more I think he is some sort of legal sociopath. he lacks the structure of behavior that any normal lawyer has. And more and more he seems to do this rather willfully ad deliberately. The normal rules of ethics and behavior simply do not apply to him.

 

[beach]

Richard Hornsby's silence has been deafening lately.


Can't say I blame him...

 

[beach]

If this was a lone incident I might be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. But there just seem to be so many of these. We still don't know who brokered the ABC deals, but we have never heard a lawyers name mentioned in association with them that wasn't JB. And he should have been specifically ethically barred from doing so. At what point is someone going to say enough is enough and kick over this anthill that all parties involved know is there? I know noone wants to impede KC's right to a fair trial and competent representation of her choosing or at least approval. But if you see a problem or a serious ethical violation or pattern of behavior in one of the lawyers, isn't it better for the case, the defendant and the court to get it in the open and cleared before the trial formally starts, rather than after when it becomes an appellate issue?

As far as it being too arrogant and crazy even for him. I love you Beach, but I think that you may be looking at it through the filter of having alot of experience with normal everyday legal professionals. You inately know how they will act because that is how they are trained to act, conditioned to act. What things they do do and what things they don't do. Little things like "you don't ignore specific orders from the judge." "if you will miss a deadline you contact the judge". "deadlines, court dates and legal proceedings are not optional at your whim". I am more and more not sure that JB is operating within that realm. He is much like his client. KC as a sociopath is able to lie so constantly and so effectively because she simply cuts through those mental filters of behavior that every other person is conditioned as a member of society to have. That thought of "why would she lie about that" keeps coming up over and over. She exists outside of the normal structure of behavior. That is what a sociopath is. And it's scary how effective she can be at it. (just note on these forums how often stories that are only ultimately attributable to her and her alone, take on a life of their own until they start assumed to be fact. LP has much the same gift of tall tales.) In the case of JB more and more I think he is some sort of legal sociopath. he lacks the structure of behavior that any normal lawyer has. And more and more he seems to do this rather willfully ad deliberately. The normal rules of ethics and behavior simply do not apply to him.

BBM

You make an excellent point because I truly do not understand JB. I don't say it out loud here, but there are many times lately that I, professionally speaking, find myself pulling for him to get it right for once. I know AZ has said she has seen worse than JB. Personally, I haven't....thank God.

I guess I just cannot fathom anyone putting the time, effort and money to get through law school...then spend years cleaning up your record so that the bar would license you to practice....only to commit career suicide. And that is exactly what this is - career suicide.

Your explanation after the part I bolded is the only thing that makes any sense.

 

[logicalgirl]

Richard Hornsby's silence has been deafening lately.


Can't say I blame him...

Knowing Richard as we do, can't we just assume he is working hard on at least one case?

 

[kushka]

Richard Hornsby's silence has been deafening lately.


Can't say I blame him...

I don't believe he has been overly quite lately. Did you see him channel 2 report on the a few days ago where he said that the Universal interview should be allowed in and where he committed on the sanctions?

http://www.richardhornsby.com/video/tv/casey-anthony/20110104-NBC.html

 

[sleutherontheside]

One comment.......Wasn't the "My Cousin Vinny" reference made on WS long long ago?????

 

[drip~drop]

Thanks to Cherishtoo and LogicalGirl!
Link above would not work for me. This worked:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-jose-baez-outside-depth-20110107,0,6720421.story

Article also addresses HHJSS and his letter to the Florida Bar earlier in the case. Author really tells it like it is! illowfight:

One of my fav paragraphs from the article
Meanwhile, Sheaffer, who serves as a legal analyst for WFTV-Channel 9 and comments frequently on the Casey Anthony case, said having the national media court an attorney the way they did Baez "becomes real heady," but it also helps prop up the circus tent that has surrounded this case for more than two years now.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I am just watching the hearing now....was away....oh such fun. This is a game-changer IMO. Love HHJP, love him!

 

[sleutherontheside]

I am just watching the hearing now....was away....oh such fun. This is a game-changer IMO. Love HHJP, love him!

While a "game changer" it was not unexpected. Judge Perry referenced his willingness to take control throughout a number of hearings. He gave ample notice. He followed through.

His subtlety is worthy of recognition. Nobody can come back and argue that they were not given notice / warning / a heads up. That goes for KC as well IMO.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

^ Yes he pacifically tole him on a number of accasions!

 

[ZsaZsa]

I don't believe he has been overly quite lately. Did you see him channel 2 report on the a few days ago where he said that the Universal interview should be allowed in and where he committed on the sanctions?

http://www.richardhornsby.com/video/tv/casey-anthony/20110104-NBC.html

He hasn't been over here lately.. he used to do a Q&A session.
I think he would volunteer for this case if JB gets kicked to the kerb.

 

[LCoastMom]

What the heck was he talking about with the reporter? That was kinda nutty...what can you do for my client?! Are you kidding me?

Can you believe, he even called the reporter back!? "He hung up the phone, called back minutes later and said that conversation was off the record. Told that the conversation was not, Baez responded by saying, "You're lying and being unethical."

Really JB? Really? What exactly did the reporter lie about and how was he unethical in calling you to ask for a statement? You were so close in telling him, "I don't have to answer any questions." Just two little words; "No! Comment!" Maybe you should practice saying this in the mirror, before it's too late - although in all honesty I don't think it will help.

BBM

You make an excellent point because I truly do not understand JB. I don't say it out loud here, but there are many times lately that I, professionally speaking, find myself pulling for him to get it right for once. I know AZ has said she has seen worse than JB. Personally, I haven't....thank God.

I guess I just cannot fathom anyone putting the time, effort and money to get through law school...then spend years cleaning up your record so that the bar would license you to practice....only to commit career suicide. And that is exactly what this is - career suicide.

Your explanation after the part I bolded is the only thing that makes any sense.

JB has been the brunt of many jokes, starting around day 32 - but it stopped being funny back in 2008 - his behavior and the way he reacted to events early on, just seemed "off", for instance (during the Diaz trial) keeping the judge and court waiting for over an hour - without apology the day ICA bonded out, or his constant demands for special privileges; like asking permission to take ICA out alone, while she was confined to the house or JB's office (not to mention the many hours she spent at his office while out on bond), his inappropriate comments to the press about HHJSS and his infantile behavior during these long pre-trial hearings. The list goes on and on.

I think we expect (in general) a higher level of ethics and morals from any officer of the courts, maybe even more so from defense attorneys - considering the nature of their work. Certainly we expect a significant difference between their ethics and those of their client who is charged with murdering her baby! And yet time and time again, JB has failed to impress, even a little.

I find it interesting that JB even chose law as his career, since early on he showed a complete lack of respect for and an unwillingness to abide by, the same laws he has pledged to uphold. IMO he sees himself as being above the rules of society, let alone the law.

He probably stomped his feet good, once he was out of view, after being sanctioned last week and I think we can count on his fine going unpaid until the absolute last minute. Regardless, we can be sure he will claim he was treated unfairly because of A, B, C, (pick any number of unfair reasons)...

One comment.......Wasn't the "My Cousin Vinny" reference made on WS long long ago?????

Yes, the first time would have been in July 2008. Multiple times since.

 

[Itsy]

I think we expect (in general) a higher level of ethics and morals from any officer of the courts, maybe even more so from defense attorneys - considering the nature of their work. Certainly we expect a significant difference between their ethics and those of their client who is charged with murdering her baby! And yet time and time again, JB has failed to impress, even a little.

I find it interesting that JB even chose law as his career, since early on he showed a complete lack of respect for and an unwillingness to abide by, the same laws he has pledged to uphold. IMO he sees himself as being above the rules of society, let alone the law.

BBM - Maybe the old "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" ?? :crazy:

This was in response to LCoastMom's post above - not sure how I messed up the quoting part; I was trying to snip & evidently snipped too much, lol

 

[nums24]

From the Florida Bar Website: http://www.floridabar.org/DIVCOM/PI/PINEwssummary.nsf

Jan. 11, 2011

--Lawyer Ethics/Legal Discipline--

CAN JOSÉ BAEZ RISE TO THE CHALLENGE OF CASEY ANTHONY CASE?-- Orlando Sentinel, http://www.orlandosentinel.com, Jan. 8, 2011.
For almost as long as the Casey Anthony murder case has been a part of the public awareness, there have been murmurs about her attorney José Baez's handling of the case. The latest but most vivid example to support this lingering suspicion came nearly one week ago when Chief Judge Belvin Perry struck Baez with a sanction for a "willful" violation of his court order to share expert-witness discovery with prosecutors. Anthony, 24, is scheduled to go to trial in May for first-degree murder in the 2008 death of her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Marie. She faces the death penalty if convicted.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-jose-baez-outside-depth-20110107,0,6720421.story

 

[LambChop]

^ Yes he pacifically tole him on a number of accasions!

OT but I hope you are okay with the flooding you have to deal with down there Mrs. G.

 

[Sun]

Latest entry from the Clerk of Courts records

01/11/2011 Motion Defendant's; for Reconsideration of the Court's Order Granting State's Motion for Sanctions/Motion to Compel and Request to Vacate Finding of Contempt

 

[nums24]

I can't believe he is contesting!


From today's docket:

01/11/2011 Motion Defendant's; for Reconsideration of the Court's Order Granting State's Motion for Sanctions/Motion to Compel and Request to Vacate Finding of Contempt

 

[Sun]

And, someone picked something up in the last hour from the Clerk.

01/11/2011 Transaction Assessment 19.00
01/11/2011 Counter Payment Receipt # CR-2011-02419 ANTHONY, CASEY MARIE (19.00)

 

[Sun]

Perhaps HHJP should reconsider. Perhaps JA's suggestion of $500 per day should be imposed?

 

[Intermezzo]

I can't believe he is contesting!


From today's docket:

01/11/2011 Motion Defendant's; for Reconsideration of the Court's Order Granting State's Motion for Sanctions/Motion to Compel and Request to Vacate Finding of Contempt

Thanks Nums!!!

I just heard it on the local news...
Jose just filed a Motion to Appeal the Sanctions

Can't wait to read this Motion....