2011.04.08 Frye Hearing Thread

[Pattymarie]

Doesn't matter if the dogs did or did not alert, now we have Jose TELLING us that there were remains in the backyard!

 

[mitzi]

I love Linda. So clear and concise. I hope she gets to speak today.

She will do the cross on the doggies. Can't wait!

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

JB: there are other things that can cause a alert. they have no evidence to substanciate. simms vs. state this was an unverified alert on drugs. on this case it was the murder of a police officer...
HH: what is the cite on simms vs. state.

but if this guy had drugs in his system a dog might alert on that since it seeps through the pores of the skin....

 

[TiaM]

So did TruTv and In Sessions (Baez' new besties) provide this tape for him?

 

[nursebeeme]

I don't understand why he is playing this video..

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

I can't hear what the video is saying.

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

sigh. Somebody needs to take JB's IPad away so we can quit this ridiculous multi media presentations

 

[beach]

these are final arguments right? (in terms of frye motions) that is why we hear again about dogs, chloroform, plants

so do we hear sticker stuff today?

I believe they stipulated to have HHJP "rule on the pleadings". IOW, no oral arguments.

I can't be sure though because there are so many "yes, but we just want to make one short point...." DT qualifiers... I forget which ones those statements go to now. kwim?

 

[ZsaZsa]

Just got to a computer & 24 pages here already! Wow

Anyone want to do a quick recap of highlights for me, or has JB just been talking?

I haven't been watching long, but in a nutshell.
JB states Dr Vass is a non-chemist alleged scientist.
Dogs are unreliable, their training was inadequate, their handler kept poor records.
Chloroform searches on the home PC- we don't even know who made those.
Chloroform test results from Dr Vass- we need an independent expert to report. HHJP smiles and says "Is there such a thing?"
He proclaims that no DNA was found in the stain- JA explained that DNA is destroyed by decomposition. JB didn't know that....
JB continually tells HHJP what the law is on Frye. JA enlightened him as to the real Frye regulations/purpose.
It's painful to listen to...

 

[FaerieB]

Doesn't matter if the dogs did or did not alert, now we have Jose TELLING us that there were remains in the backyard!

BBM

That's not what he said. I believe he said the dog didn't alert at the remains site.

 

[darnudes]

lol - Oh poor Mr Ashton, he has to hold his hand up to his mouth - to conceal shock or laughs?

 

[Tulessa]

JA is cracking up! :floorlaugh:

 

[Turnadot]

Well, I sure as hell would trust a dog's nose rather than the words coming from Baez's mouth.

 

[faefrost]

So JB is trying to use this to show that the State Supreme Court was concerned thatthe dogs were used as probable cause in and of themselves without any other supporting evidence of a crime?

Ummm? Missing 2 year old?, Human detectable smell of something dead in car? etc etc.

 

[Chiquita71]

video: talking about admitted evidence that the dogs were reliable.

JB: i can submit the full video: questions they have is how is this beyond speculation. residual odor...
HH: what evidence there was of drugs? correct.
JB: correct. what is the significance of an unverified alert? what other evidence is there other than the dog alert.

JB has more clips

HH: go ahead.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Did LDB get a chance to cross the people in that case?? Didn't JB cite hearsay being an issue with testimony in the New York case.

MY GAWD.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Oh! my bad...thought it was Frye :doh:

Yes it's still Frye Hearing Scmperooo, just on the K9...

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

Trying to use a supreme court case of drug sniffing dogs to relate to cadaver dogs. Hmmm.. I'd imagine training, certification are different between the two. This argument is going to fall on it's face.

 

[kaRN]

What evidence is there other than a dog alert?????? A dead toddler JB. Good enough?

 

[Capri]

Thanks Zsa Zsa for the recap