2011.06.27 TRIAL Day Twenty-nine (Afternoon Session)

[Mountain_Kat]

Witness: possible to be explained by the presence of a dead body in the car. Well, duh. We already learend that from Dr. Vass.

 

[GreenTeam]

Witness says it could be a human decomping, and chloroform, in the trunk!

 

[pipkins]

WOW WITNESS SAYING YES THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN BODY IN CAR ALONG WITH ANOTHER CHEMICAL


ooops sorry for caps...

 

[JusticeSeeker1960]

ohhhh,,,,,,,,,

 

[Marple]

If I were a juror I would be very irritated that this witness is mincing words in order to say what the defense WANTS him to say. It's very clear to me. IMO

 

[ami]

Why doesn't JA pick up on the fact that the witness just said the chemicals are human decomposition plus chloroform?

 

[sleutherontheside]

Jeff Ashton is truly brilliant.
He 'out-experts' the experts.

I am so grateful he is one of Caylee's attorneys!

If Orange County auctioned off a "win a dinner with Jeff Ashton" I'd sell my house!!!!

 

[MissDiva]

OMG, JA is owning this witness. I'm sorry, but it's true.

 

[Lanie]

Whatcha doin' JA? You just got the guy to admit it could be a human body in the trunk, except for the chloroform, which would have to be above and beyond, and then you are trying to get him to say chloroform from the body.

 

[marleysmom]

Dr. F just said there needs to be more studies to find the source of human decomposition. Not a chemist, but always thought that was a dead human body. But again, I'm not a chemist.

sorry for the duplicate post - didn't think the first one posted

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I thought Dr. Vass did run standards.

 

[nursebeeme]

WOW WITNESS SAYING YES THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN BODY IN CAR ALONG WITH ANOTHER CHEMICAL


ooops sorry for caps...

I had the same reaction:rocker:

 

[It's Not the Nanny]

Does anyone have a screencap of LDB's mom sitting in the audience???

 

[Salem]

What exactly does the look on JB's face mean? Is he almost smirking?

It means "oh no - JA has done it again, how am I going to rehabilitate this witness?"

Salem

 

[rose222]

Never? :waitasec:

No. Born vegetarian, never wanted it, craved it. So far that is but the defense isn't helping in this regard!

 

[ConstableCruller]

I love it--another defense witness testifies for the prosecution: a dead human body plus inorganic chemicals. Like chloroform...

 

[sleutherontheside]

Well JB your expert just supported the State's theory.

Now that's what I call a BAD DAY!

 

[Gnatcatcher]

#CaseyAnthony audience member two rows back just removed. LDB's Mom sitting right behind me. They were chatting earlier.
by bobkealing via twitter at 2:21 PM



Anybody know where Kealing is sitting so I can see LDB's mama?

 

[sheri21]

is she watching the same trial we are?

I think she says things like that to be provocative, so she will get an invitation to the nightly shows. She is positively giddy if she is invited on TV.

She's not on every night because she comes across as "huh" on TV as she does in her tweets. Gotta say this is a shock to me.

 

[wenwe4]

JA w/Furton - humans are more alike in death than in life in chemical compounds. yes
student in study published this year....held dust buster looking device and held it over the body for approx 1 min....not using triple sorbent traps...those are much better than what was used.....more likely in morgue vs. crematorium background chemicals....study tuna/chicken/lamb meats process for human consumption...meat from the animal...went to resturant or went to Publix....not prepared not cooked but it did decompose....huge difference between human decomp compounds but animals.....yes...a great deal of difference between human and non-human @ least from that chart...yes

reference # 6 & 7 Dr. Vass buried body studies....his only the longitudinal study in terms of whole bodies - correct....how many studies use triple sorbent traps? common use for environmental sampling....the Satheropolis and the Vass studies used triple sorbent traps...very minute compounds in very small amounts object- overrule....common method, one method, not the only one used....of these studies cited how many covered whole bodies vs. just parts....the ones listed here are those same 4....Sateropolis and Vass....the other studies were things typically used for k9 training aide......blood, adipose tissue, bone, often times early stage decomp material like placenta or human derived material - not a whole body but certain material with human with decomp.....the studies with whole bodies are....not necessarily .....

....carbon compounds collected in triple sorbent traps....is Dr. Vass the only one who looked @ triple sorbent traps and longitudinal study....I don't believe so - Strathropopolis didn't come up with the same compounds.....But Dr. S studied over one day.....consistency with human compounds ....don't compounds change as decomp proceeds? yes become more prevalant and .....

Vass studies only one in anerobic conditions - without air.....Vass study contributed most to the research because he looked at it a different way....agree more information the better to draw an opinion...yes more studies the better in determining human decomp....chemical analysis of the odor is not enough to establish human decomp.....is helpful in limiting other causes....can you tell me about the 4 items Dr. Vass referenced can you tell us the 4 items for a dead human body in the trunk of car plus other chemicals present from other materials....chloroform and carbon tetrachloride only reported in 2 studies....so far published lit do not identify those .....unless you discredit the study which you don't....those could be human decomp....I guess I am discounting those studies being of limited scope and reliablity and replicatable....do you discount the
vass study.....the in his study he did not run standards basing on mass spectral interpretation which may or may not be correct - saw those based on GCMS....question whether his 2004 and 2008 paper done thoroughly and properly....normally run standard times....did not do that - they just relied upon the GCMS ....remember depo taken 2/19/11? please read these pages.....