4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #79

[Charlot123]

Thank you for the explanation! I actually had a similar situation. I was stopped, ready to cross a state road. There was another driver on the opposite side who had arrived at the stop sign before me and was intending to turn left. Once the cross traffic cleared, I started to cross just as the other driver blew her horn and screamed expletives at me. I am fairly familiar with residential areas (had there been a traffic light, I would have had the right away).

I was disturbed by the encounter. I asked my boss, an expert on our state law about the situation. He wasn't sure himself and googled our state law. It turned out I had the right away in the situation, which made me feel better (Don't want to be THAT guy).

But it definitely made me realize how often the BK pulling into an intersection situation happens. In his instance, I don't think he was purposely breaking the law. I think the law is confusing as hell.

Even with the traffic light, there might be problems. In WA, there are many intersections with, essentially, “five lanes” on each of the two roads. If you look at the map, there are two on the L; on the right, there is a third semi-lane where the cars planning to turn left stay till the “turn left arrow” turns green for them.

Periodically I end up at such an intersection and wait for the left green arrow. And several times it has happened, that an arrow turns green for me, and I see either a car from across the street turning to (their) left, or a car from the opposite side of the intersecting street (to the R of me, that is) that is suddenly turning left and onto my street, too.

I don’t know whether these cars were disregarding any traffic light at all, or they were not local, or whether for some reason the signal was not processed right by the drivers. On my end, it was green. All I can say, if you end up in the middle of such an intersection and the light has changed to red for you, you’d better stop. Better one standing vehicle blocking the way, then two moving vehicles on colliding courses.

 

[Nila Aella]

Article on objection re: gag order

Moscow murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's attorney objects to media request

Bryan Kohberger’s attorney objected to the media’s request that Latah County 2nd Judicial Court should promptly schedule a hearing on the gag order in the murder case.

www.lmtribune.com

Olson has already prepared a response to this objection. She writes that Kohberger was able to attain the gag order without submitting supporting evidence to the court.
“He says he now has evidence to support his request for gag order, but he needs time to put it together — even though gag order has been in place for over four months,” Olson wrote. “And he asks the court to continue to enforce a gag order while he collects his evidence.”
She stated that if an evidentiary hearing is the next step to determine if a gag order is needed, then the gag order should not be enforced in advance of that hearing

 

[NCWatcher]

Article on objection re: gag order

Moscow murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's attorney objects to media request

Bryan Kohberger’s attorney objected to the media’s request that Latah County 2nd Judicial Court should promptly schedule a hearing on the gag order in the murder case.

www.lmtribune.com

Olson has already prepared a response to this objection. She writes that Kohberger was able to attain the gag order without submitting supporting evidence to the court.
“He says he now has evidence to support his request for gag order, but he needs time to put it together — even though gag order has been in place for over four months,” Olson wrote. “And he asks the court to continue to enforce a gag order while he collects his evidence.”
She stated that if an evidentiary hearing is the next step to determine if a gag order is needed, then the gag order should not be enforced in advance of that hearing

But it's not really accurate to say BK got the gag order put in place. And obviously the judge knows that. This article is written to influence public opinion IMO.

Bold added by me. Quote is from News outlets join to oppose gag order in Idaho stabbing case published on Jan 20, 2023, nearly 4 months ago.

"Notably, both the prosecution and defense attorneys had filed a document roughly two hours earlier saying they agreed to the creation of a gag order and wanted it to include investigators and law enforcement."

“This Court has both a constitutional duty and the inherent authority to ‘minimize the effects of prejudicial pretrial publicity’ and ‘to ensure the efficacious administration of justice,’” Kohberger’s defense attorney Anne Taylor and Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson wrote."

JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I can give you one off the top of my head: maybe the defense is wrong and, in the prosecution's view, there is nothing exculpatory to BK in the requested material. Just because the defense "thinks" it, doesn't make it true or enforceable on the DA.

Is it up to the prosecution to determine what information could be exculpatory without knowing what the defense's strategy is? What if the information about the "naked man" is true and there's some way the defense has to prove it couldn't have been BK?

Maybe the DA is playing games, or maybe the defense is trying to mount a smear campaign making the DA look like s/he is hiding something.

Any of these are possible and have happened in other trials. So I don't know how you or I or anyone else not on the inside can form an "opinion". Random guess, maybe, but not an opinion, as I understand the term.

It's not really a random guess when the prosecution hasn't responded about the specific items the defense is asking for. I come back to the interrogation and Moscow PD notes. There is just no reason for the prosecution not to have these, so if it's true that the prosecution doesn't, then why not? Since they haven't even addressed it (specifically), then I think it's fair to say it's not a random guess that maybe the prosecution isn't really complying with the spirit of the law, triggering the motion to compel.

These are all just questions, but since they're suggestive, I'll just say it's all MOO.

 

[Nila Aella]

University of Idaho murder victim's family ready to face suspect in court, vows to 'make sure he doesn't get away with it'

The family of Kaylee Goncalves, one of four University of Idaho students slain in a gruesome attack in November, vows to be there when her suspected killer returns to court next month. "And he's gonna realize that this ... is the family that's gonna make sure he doesn't get away with it."...

www.yahoo.com

University of Idaho murder victim's family ready to face suspect in court, vows to 'make sure he doesn't get away with it'

The family of Kaylee Goncalves, one of the four University of Idaho students murdered late last year, is speaking out.

abcnews.go.com

"I can't wait to see the evidence. ... And then I'm gonna bring it," Kaylee's dad, Steve Goncalves, told ABC News. "And he's gonna realize that this ... is the family that's gonna make sure he doesn't get away with it."

The Goncalves, a close-knit family with five kids, said they haven't been able to establish any connection between their daughter and Kohberger.

"We've talked as a family, you know, we've done a lot of research on what's out there. ... None of it makes sense."

As for rumors that Kohberger had attended a party at the girls' home, the family doubts that ever happened.

edit: corrected link, linked wrong article initially
edit: added link, unsure if first one was approved source (reported) - <MOD NOTE - first one is Good Morning America, approved >

 

[U.N. Known]

University of Idaho murder victim's family ready to face suspect in court, vows to 'make sure he doesn't get away with it'

The family of Kaylee Goncalves, one of four University of Idaho students slain in a gruesome attack in November, vows to be there when her suspected killer returns to court next month. "And he's gonna realize that this ... is the family that's gonna make sure he doesn't get away with it."...

www.yahoo.com

"I can't wait to see the evidence. ... And then I'm gonna bring it," Kaylee's dad, Steve Goncalves, told ABC News. "And he's gonna realize that this ... is the family that's gonna make sure he doesn't get away with it."

The Goncalves, a close-knit family with five kids, said they haven't been able to establish any connection between their daughter and Kohberger.

"We've talked as a family, you know, we've done a lot of research on what's out there. ... None of it makes sense."

As for rumors that Kohberger had attended a party at the girls' home, the family doubts that ever happened.

edit: corrected link, linked wrong article initially

IIRC, the quotes in that article are from just after BK's arrest. Even if they are newer, the article just emphasizes why the gag order is actually a good idea. It's one thing (and bad enough) for the family members to speculate on what happened.\ with little direct evidence. Allowing LE, random media members, and the families' attorneys to throw out whatever "ideas" they have is even more unproductive.

KG's father and brother weren't at those parties; IMO, there is little chance that they know every person who was or was not there. On one of the noise complaint calls, Xana spoke to LE and said that she'd recently arrived and was planning to go to bed.

 

[Nila Aella]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/050423%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20Discovery.pdf

I think I read this wrong the first time: I think they might be asking for recording and notes by Det P that he has of the interrogation, not that Det P interrogated him? I can read it both ways now. MOO

partially DBM, read OP comment wrong about Goncalves statements
added MOO

 

[jepop]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/050423%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20Discovery.pdf

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I think I read this wrong the first time: I think they might be asking for recording and notes by Det P that he has of the interrogation, not that Det P interrogated him? I can read it both ways now. MOO

partially DBM, read OP comment wrong about Goncalves statements
added MOO

Really? I suppose it could be read either way, but to me it says the interrogation by DET Payne,as in he undertook the interrogation,but JMO. On another matter, do you read this as the only outstanding item from Request No. 119? As in, the Defense are not asking for all notes etc but just those related to to this interrogation?

 

[10ofRods]

I can give you one off the top of my head: maybe the defense is wrong and, in the prosecution's view, there is nothing exculpatory to BK in the requested material. Just because the defense "thinks" it, doesn't make it true or enforceable on the DA.

Maybe the DA is playing games, or maybe the defense is trying to mount a smear campaign making the DA look like s/he is hiding something.

Any of these are possible and have happened in other trials. So I don't know how you or I or anyone else not on the inside can form an "opinion". Random guess, maybe, but not an opinion, as I understand the term.

ETA because the "advertisers" didn't like an adjective I used that refers to a horse-like animal.

The censor also doesn't like our species name, so I have to abbreviate H. sapiens.

 

[Nila Aella]

Really? I suppose it could be read either way, but to me it says the interrogation by DET Payne,as in he undertook the interrogation,but JMO. On another matter, do you read this as the only outstanding item from Request No. 119? As in, the Defense are not asking for all notes etc but just those related to to this interrogation?

Yes, that is how I read it the first time and I still lean toward Det P interrogating. MOO

I think the D asked for All, but in this motion to compel they are specifying Det P notes and recordings as the ones the D specifically wants and is still waiting for. JMO

I am not sure how the D would know what others to ask for, not knowing what the MPD has in the first place. There might be others that haven't been produced, but how would the D know which ones to ask for except to say All? MOO

 

[10ofRods]

Yes, that is how I read it the first time and I still lean toward Det P interrogating. MOO

I think the D asked for All, but in this motion to compel they are specifying Det P notes and recordings as the ones the D specifically wants and is still waiting for. JMO

I am not sure how the D would know what others to ask for, not knowing what the MPD has in the first place. There might be others that haven't been produced, but how would the D know which ones to ask for except to say All? MOO

One way is that their client told them about said interrogation. And they believe their client.

I agree that it sounds like the defense is specifically requesting notes and recordings regarding an interrogation by Det. Payne. If such an event never took place, then LE and DA will tell that to the judge, etc., etc.

I also agree that defense can't know exactly what MPD has, but is entitled to all of it - but I also think MPD doesn't have some of the out-of-state items the defense is requesting (perhaps no one in Idaho has them yet).

At any rate, end of June will be here before we know it.

IMO.

 

[Sundog]

University of Idaho murder victim's family ready to face suspect in court, vows to 'make sure he doesn't get away with it'

The family of Kaylee Goncalves, one of four University of Idaho students slain in a gruesome attack in November, vows to be there when her suspected killer returns to court next month. "And he's gonna realize that this ... is the family that's gonna make sure he doesn't get away with it."...

www.yahoo.com

edit: added link, unsure if first one was approved source (reported) - <MOD NOTE - first one is Good Morning America, approved >

<snipped for focus>

From the Good Morning America interview with the Goncalves family -

Graduation at the University of Idaho is this Saturday. The Goncalves will be there to receive Kaylee's posthumous degree.

 

[Nila Aella]

<snipped for focus>

From the Good Morning America interview with the Goncalves family -

Graduation at the University of Idaho is this Saturday. The Goncalves will be there to receive Kaylee's posthumous degree.

Yes. In the embedded video, the family talks about the graduation:

Siblings of Idaho murder victim Kaylee Goncalves speak out for 1st time

Goncalves was set to graduate in December, but her four siblings will be accepting a posthumous degree on her behalf instead.

6abc.com

Goncalves was set to graduate in December, but her four siblings will be accepting a posthumous degree on her behalf instead.

Idaho college murder victim's family tells ABC News they're ready to face suspect in court

The family of Kaylee Goncalves, one of the four University of Idaho students murdered late last year, is speaking out.

abc7.com

 

[Dotta]

"Kaylee Goncalves' family ready to face Bryan Kohberger's trial."​

Idaho murder victim Kaylee Goncalves' family ready to face Bryan Kohberger's trial

The family of Idaho murder victim Kaylee Goncalves is mentally preparing for Bryan Kohberger's trial. Kohbeger is accused of killing Kaylee and her three friends last year.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Sundog]

Commencement ceremonies at University of Idaho live-streamed --

The Moscow ceremonies will be streamed live at 9:30 a.m. and 2 p.m. Pacific time Saturday, May 13, at uidaho.edu/live.

ETA -

• Moscow — ASUI-Kibbie Activity Center. Saturday, May 13. Graduates receiving a doctoral, educational specialist or master’s degree will attend the respective ceremony for their college.
  • 9:30 a.m.
    • College of Agricultural and Life Sciences
    • College of Business and Economics
    • College of Engineering
    • College of Natural Resources
    • College of Science
  • 2 p.m.
    • College of Art and Architecture
    • College of Education, Health and Human Sciences
    • College of Law
    • College of Letters, Arts and Social Sciences

 

[katydid23]

"Kaylee Goncalves' family ready to face Bryan Kohberger's trial."​

Idaho murder victim Kaylee Goncalves' family ready to face Bryan Kohberger's trial

The family of Idaho murder victim Kaylee Goncalves is mentally preparing for Bryan Kohberger's trial. Kohbeger is accused of killing Kaylee and her three friends last year.

www.foxnews.com

I feel for all of the families. It is wonderful that the victims are getting posthumous degrees---but also so sad and devastating to have that instead of seeing them alive and well on their graduation days.

 

[Sundog]

Commencement ceremonies at University of Idaho live-streamed --

The Moscow ceremonies will be streamed live at 9:30 a.m. and 2 p.m. Pacific time Saturday, May 13, at uidaho.edu/live.

ETA -

• Moscow — ASUI-Kibbie Activity Center. Saturday, May 13. Graduates receiving a doctoral, educational specialist or master’s degree will attend the respective ceremony for their college.
  • 9:30 a.m.
    • College of Agricultural and Life Sciences
    • College of Business and Economics
    • College of Engineering
    • College of Natural Resources
    • College of Science
  • 2 p.m.
    • College of Art and Architecture
    • College of Education, Health and Human Sciences
    • College of Law
    • College of Letters, Arts and Social Sciences

Adding this information to the above post for those who plan on watching the ceremonies on Saturday.

If I am remembering correctly, Maddie and Xana were in the College of Business (both in Marketing); and Kaylee and Ethan were in the College of Letters, Arts, and Social Sciences. (Ethan was in Recreation, Sports Management, etc.; and Kaylee was in General Studies.)

Please correct if I have this wrong.

Edited to correct earlier post regarding their majors

 

[Nila Aella]

University of Idaho continues to recover:

University of Idaho continues to recover months after murders

Scripps News' Alex Miller spoke with some University of Idaho students who say there's a cloud over graduation celebrations this year, after four students were brutally murdered in November.

scrippsnews.com

 

[I'm Nobody]

Adding this information to the above post for those who plan on watching the ceremonies on Saturday.

If I am remembering correctly, Maddie and Xana were in the College of Business (both in Marketing); and Kaylee and Ethan were in the College of Letters, Arts, and Social Sciences. (Ethan was in Recreation, Sports Management, etc.; and Kaylee was in General Studies.)

Please correct if I have this wrong.

Edited to correct earlier post regarding their majors

Thank you.

The university is also honoring five students who passed away before they could cross the graduation stage.

Posthumous degrees as they were set to graduate this year:
General Studies to Goncalves
Marketing to Mogen
Criminology will be given to Ruiz. Guadalupe Ruiz, a student killed in a car wreck last August, will also receive a posthumous degree.


Chapin, who was a freshman, will get a certificate in recreation, sport and tourism management,
Kernodle, who was a junior, will get a certificate in marketing.

The victims' families will be present to accept the degrees and the certificates are being given to Chapin and Kernodle's families.

"There'll be a moment where each of them is awarded that degree and then a moment of silence before we head into the rest of the degrees."

'They will always be Vandals' | U of I to award murder victims, student killed in crash with posthumous degrees

Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen and Guadalupe Ruiz will receive a posthumous degree during Saturday's commencement ceremony.

www.krem.com

 

[Nila Aella]

• 05/11/2023 Notice of Remote Hearing
• 05/11/2023 Reply to Mr Kohbergers Objection

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest