7/23/2010 Lisa and Hank Croslin Arrested

[SoSueMe]

I honestly feel sorry for all the Croslin kids because they never had a chance in life being raised by Lisa and Hank. I dont really like to make fun of people like that, but thats just me. And as far as I can tell, all the Croslin kids lived and were able to grow up, unlike Ronald Cummings missing daughter, the reason we are all here.

Chablis, you aren't making fun, you're just stating a fact and I agree.

 

[Emeralgem]

I don't believe any of these druggies. They're all on dope and dopers lie, cheat, and steal. They are all manipulating each other and have no real loyalty. No real loving parents raises their kids in a drug environment where one claims that her brother molested her. That's how drugs and druggie friends mess up kids. I still think Haleigh was left alone, one of the bunch got in removed her to the outside and molested her, so that's why he helped Misty claim that she was there and asleep or why Haleigh has to be disposed of because his dna is on her. That whiny drug addicted Tommy or Misty would never in a million years have covered for Joe as long as they did and then make up a crazy story to implicate themselves. It's them, it's got to be. They wouldn't confide in their parents because they are untrustworthy druggies who'd do anything for drugs most likely.

BBM..Dark Red I respectfully disagree...

Also, Misty never covered for Jo O..She implicated him almost immediately...
And No, it doesn't have to be them...I'm not saying they didn't help their sister out that night, but I will never believe Jo O, Tommy, or Misty are the ones responsible for the FACT Haleigh is deceased...JMHO

 

[nas212913]

I honestly feel sorry for all the Croslin kids because they never had a chance in life being raised by Lisa and Hank. I dont really like to make fun of people like that, but thats just me. And as far as I can tell, all the Croslin kids lived and were able to grow up, unlike Ronald Cummings missing daughter, the reason we are all here.

Only quoting you to jump off of your post, Chablis.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not making fun of them. There is nothing funny about this situation. But let's not forget why we're all sitting here: there's a little girl missing and Bubba and Sissy are the ones who are holding back information and sending the cops on some crazy good chase....
"She's in this river, Joe took her, Joe may have thrown her in the river, it might have been three a.m, I saw a three, it came to me in a dream, I saw her in the van, I was high on Xanax, I don't do drugs, they came looking for a gun, there was no gun, I was there at 10pm, I wasn't there I just lied to get out of jail the second (or was it a third?) time". I think we get the point.

The fact of the matter is that Tommy was/is a grown man with young children and he made the choice to sell drugs and insert himself (whether purposefully or not) into a missing child case. He could have said "ya know, I want better for my kids so I'm gonna bust my butt to make sure they weren't raised like I was". Yet he's all taking Xanax while he's at work, falling asleep at kids' bus stops, stealing from his neighbor's. Way to set an example for those kids!

And Timmy. Maybe Timmy got out of Florida, but his wife is all over the place making contradicting statements and making herself look like a fool. AND, they are taking money from their income tax return, money that the government gave to them FOR FREE (because I guarantee you neither of them worked enough to receive a large refund--it's calling CLAIMING THEIR CHILDREN) and giving it to Misty and Tommy for their jail accounts, and giving it to ma and pa Croslin, no doubt probably funding their coke and crack and pain pill buying habits. Then they say "hey Misty wrote us this letter and I'll sell it because we need a car". Oh really? How about saving and/or making payments? I'm sure they have buy-here-pay-here places up there in MA. A car for 50$ a week, a 100$ a week, scrape by like other people in this country who were never taught how to swindle.

There comes a time in life where you have to acknowledge that your parents are toxic people that you should learn from, rather then follow in their foot steps. These aren't people who won a Pulitzer or tutored children as a hobby. These are people who swindle and lie and cheat and place blame elsewhere. It's always someone else's fault. Tommy and Timmy had the option and the chance to do better and make their life right. Just because they lived in FL in close vicinity to their parents and saw them often doesn't give them a reason to be like them. Take drugs is a conscious decision. Selling drugs is a conscious decision. Stealing from your neighbor is a conscious decision.

And at the very beginning, I fault awful for Hank Sr. I kept saying how sad it was, how he just needed a boost, I'd give him a job if we still lived in FL and my husband's business was booming...heck, I'd even hand them cash!

If they were arrested for buying 10, 20, 30 pain fills, I'd still feel bad for him. As someone who suffers DAILY with chronic pain (four diseases that have no cure, four back surgeries, one brain surgery), I totally feel for him. I would've felt even more sympathy for him. Chronic pain seriously sucks. But coke? Really? Cocaine? C'mon! Ya can't rationalize that. It's like saying "well I was depressed so I bought some PCP. I had a headache so I bought some K. My leg was hurting so I bought some acid".....what!?
How much money have they spent on cocaine while crying that they had no money?
If he and Lisa are addicts, then them going to jail is the best thing. It's free rehab. If they learn absolutely nothing, then it truly is tax dollars wasted.

Rant over, no disrespect towards anyone. I love you all. :blowkiss:

 

[krkrjx]

Only quoting you to jump off of your post, Chablis.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not making fun of them. There is nothing funny about this situation. But let's not forget why we're all sitting here: there's a little girl missing and Bubba and Sissy are the ones who are holding back information and sending the cops on some crazy good chase....
"She's in this river, Joe took her, Joe may have thrown her in the river, it might have been three a.m, I saw a three, it came to me in a dream, I saw her in the van, I was high on Xanax, I don't do drugs, they came looking for a gun, there was no gun, I was there at 10pm, I wasn't there I just lied to get out of jail the second (or was it a third?) time". I think we get the point.

The fact of the matter is that Tommy was/is a grown man with young children and he made the choice to sell drugs and insert himself (whether purposefully or not) into a missing child case. He could have said "ya know, I want better for my kids so I'm gonna bust my butt to make sure they weren't raised like I was". Yet he's all taking Xanax while he's at work, falling asleep at kids' bus stops, stealing from his neighbor's. Way to set an example for those kids!

And Timmy. Maybe Timmy got out of Florida, but his wife is all over the place making contradicting statements and making herself look like a fool.

nas...

You have said this all very well and I thank you for that. IMO, if it were not for the fact that this case revolves around an innocent 5-year-old who has vanished without a trace, the whole thing would be a huge comedy.

It has gotten to the point where one is really not entitled to express opinion anymore without inadvertently offending someone so, with that in mind, I will no longer be expressing mine.

Thanks to all those here on WS who do not have tunnel vision. You know who you are...and you rock!

 

[Chablis]

I get the fact that bubba and sissy, who we really have no reason to even be calling them that unless we were intimate in their lives, I mean that just seems like a way to make fun of them, I dont know, but whatever Tommy and Misty did that night, has nothing to do with Hank and Lisa, who were sleeping in a hospital the night Haleigh went missing, and to me, thats why I am here, and if they were indeed in a hospital and didnt take Haleigh, then I just dont really care about their life drama right now. I mean it sucks they are so sick they need drugs and had to end up in jail, and two of their kids are in jail, I dont think the arrests are related to Haleigh, there are so many people like Hank and Lisa in Putnam County and they are on display because of their lying children, and I just think its sad.

 

[Emeralgem]

What can I say other than how ironic LE in Putnam County always manages to keep the focus on how screwed up the Croslins all are but Ron Cummings, his mother and grandmother are never portrayed in any negative light eventhough we all know different...
Didn't Misty say ALL the Cummings did drugs and whatever happened to KB..My understanding is she took off and left the scene when Ronald Cummings and Misty were arrested last January...Anyone remember that.. I believe Misty even stated her belongings were in KB's car... Wonder WHY LE never hauled her in? JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

What can I say other than how ironic LE in Putnam County always manages to keep the focus on how screwed up the Croslins all are but Ron Cummings, his mother and grandmother are never portrayed in any negative light eventhough we all know different...
Didn't Misty say ALL the Cummings did drugs and whatever happened to KB..My understanding is she took off and left the scene when Ronald Cummings and Misty were arrested last January...Anyone remember that.. I believe Misty even stated her belongings were in KB's car... Wonder WHY LE never hauled her in? JMO

Couldn't have said it better myself. This has been such an eskewed investigation since the very beginning. It would really be refreshing to have fair reporting in this case. Just the fact that the Cummings throw out first names of the LE players and are treated entirely different from Haleigh's mother and the Croslins. I'm not saying that the Croslins' don't deserve the media attention they get, for FGS, just from the little bit of information that has been discovered on Haleigh's father's side of this case, tells me that LE and the media should have delved into possibilites on this family as well. At this point, I don't really know who was with Haleigh last. All I've heard is a very scripted story recounted on a 911 call from someone who shouldn't have made that call to begin with.:waitasec:

 

[Emeralgem]

nas...

You have said this all very well and I thank you for that. IMO, if it were not for the fact that this case revolves around an innocent 5-year-old who has vanished without a trace, the whole thing would be a huge comedy.

It has gotten to the point where one is really not entitled to express opinion anymore without inadvertently offending someone so, with that in mind, I will no longer be expressing mine.

Thanks to all those here on WS who do not have tunnel vision. You know who you are...and you rock!

krkrjx...I have always enjoyed reading your posts and I sincerely wish I did not have tunnel visision in regards to who is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance.. And I certainly wish I wasn't completley disgusted with how LE has handled this whole case either...JMO

 

[Chablis]

What can I say other than how ironic LE in Putnam County always manages to keep the focus on how screwed up the Croslins all are but Ron Cummings, his mother and grandmother are never portrayed in any negative light eventhough we all know different...
Didn't Misty say ALL the Cummings did drugs and whatever happened to KB..My understanding is she took off and left the scene when Ronald Cummings and Misty were arrested last January...Anyone remember that.. I believe Misty even stated her belongings were in KB's car... Wonder WHY LE never hauled her in? JMO

I know! Seriously, if Lisa and Hank were in fact accounted for at a hospital, I pull them out of the equation of what happened the night Heleigh went missing. I mean yes, Hank and Lisa messed up, they got caught, I have never heard Rons family refute Mistys allegations that their family were drug addicts, lets face it, the Cummings know more people than the croslins know down there, they are not native.

I think more heat needs to be put on Teresa and Annette, putting heat on them could perhaps push Ron to tell the truth as well,

jmo

 

[Emeralgem]

Couldn't have said it better myself. This has been such an eskewed investigation since the very beginning. It would really be refreshing to have fair reporting in this case. Just the fact that the Cummings throw out first names of the LE players and are treated entirely different from Haleigh's mother and the Croslins. I'm not saying that the Croslins' don't deserve the media attention they get, for FGS, just from the little bit of information that has been discovered on Haleigh's father's side of this case, tells me that LE and the media should have delved into possibilites on this family as well. At this point, I don't really know who was with Haleigh last. All I've heard is a very scripted story recounted on a 911 call from someone who shouldn't have made that call to begin with.:waitasec:

Seems LE and whoever is responsible for what is to be investigated and published in the newspapers in the area have a very good working relationship...IF LE doesn't want something covered...It isn't...IF LE wants it swept under the rug, someone sweeps...JMO

 

[nas212913]

Without going off topic too much because I don't want Kimster and Grandmaj kicking my butt too badly .......

Krkrjx-I appreciate your posts and I wish you would stay and continue to post. I'm sure people read my posts, roll their eyes, and then wonder what kind of drugs I was smoking! :crazy:

I think that LE probably knows full well what kind of people Ron associates with and what kind of people his family are (is?). But for whatever reason, they don't care. I think they have the case pretty much figured out, but circumstantial evidence and gut feelings don't hold up in court. I honestly think that when they were trying to get Misty with the whole drug bust, they had no idea that Ron was coming too. And if they did know, well, then I wish I was a fly on their task force wall!

Annnnd....I had something else to say, but I really can't remember what it was. My hound dog is eating shoes.

 

[azwriter]

I know! Seriously, if Lisa and Hank were in fact accounted for at a hospital, I pull them out of the equation of what happened the night Heleigh went missing. I mean yes, Hank and Lisa messed up, they got caught, I have never heard Rons family refute Mistys allegations that their family were drug addicts, lets face it, the Cummings know more people than the croslins know down there, they are not native.

I think more heat needs to be put on Teresa and Annette, putting heat on them could perhaps push Ron to tell the truth as well,

jmo

Chablis, I do agree that Hank and Lisa have an alibi for the night Haleigh disappeared. And, it's a very good one. But I believe LE would keep an eye on them since they are the parents of Tommy and Misty. These two offsprings could very well have shared something with their parents, Lisa and Hank. And if they are withholding anything their two children, Misty and Tommy, may have said about the night in question, then Lisa and Hank do figure into the puzzle.

However, their drug buys and use are not part of the Haleigh investigation, that's why we do hear reports of their actions and arrests in that area.

And I do agree that pressure should be applied to TN and Annette. But the thing is, we don't really know how much or how closely LE has investigated Ron's realitives. Officials covering this case have remained stone faced when it comes to Ron and his family's involvement. We hear nothing about them. Nothing!
I'd like to add, from my past experience as a reporter, when it's difficult to get anything from LE, either OTR or for clairification, that doesn't always mean LE has nothing to tell but most times the complete opposite. And, since it pertains to the investigation of a missing child, who they now believe is a victim of a homicide, they will not release anything. Not when it could lead to an arrest in the case.

We can all sit and wait, or guess, or continue to believe cops have nothing or are too lazy or dumb to solve this case. But the bottom line is LE is in charge and they want not just an arrest, but a conviction. Which means they will continue to withhold every and anything that could harm their goal if it is released before they can stamp this case solved.
jmo

 

[Chablis]

Chablis, I do agree that Hank and Lisa have an alibi for the night Haleigh disappeared. And, it's a very good one. But I believe LE would keep an eye on them since they are the parents of Tommy and Misty. These two offsprings could very well have shared something with their parents, Lisa and Hank. And if they are withholding anything their two children, Misty and Tommy, may have said about the night in question, then Lisa and Hank do figure into the puzzle.

However, their drug buys and use are not part of the Haleigh investigation, that's why we do hear reports of their actions and arrests in that area.

And I do agree that pressure should be applied to TN and Annette. But the thing is, we don't really know how much or how closely LE has investigated Ron's realitives. Officials covering this case have remained stone faced when it comes to Ron and his family's involvement. We hear nothing about them. Nothing!
I'd like to add, from my past experience as a reporter, when it's difficult to get anything from LE, either OTR or for clairification, that doesn't always mean LE has nothing to tell but most times the complete opposite. And, since it pertains to the investigation of a missing child, who they now believe is a victim of a homicide, they will not release anything. Not when it could lead to an arrest in the case.

We can all sit and wait, or guess, or continue to believe cops have nothing or are too lazy or dumb to solve this case. But the bottom line is LE is in charge and they want not just an arrest, but a conviction. Which means they will continue to withhold every and anything that could harm their goal if it is released before they can stamp this case solved.
jmo

I know what you are saying, but to me, Teresa, and Annette rank way higher than Hank and Lisa. Misty basically cut her ties off with her family after the Ron and Tommy fight, why do that if your parents know something that could really put you away forever, why go so far as to take a restraining order out on her mom, I think she did that, not sure, so I will put that at jmo.

There just needs to be more heat applied to the people who were at the trailer that night, and that includes Annette. I guess I just care about the people who were unaccounted for. Even if they know something after the fact does not make them responsible, they could fear for their lives as well.

 

[Crosby87]

This whole case is a sad mess!



The only "Victim" here is Haleigh and she sure didn't have a chance in life being surrounded by so many dysfunctional people! All of them, there is not one that is better than the other.

I am not surprised that Lisa and Hank got arrested, hey he even said it early on he would rather be in jail at least he would have 3 meals a day, medical, and a roof over his head. Who knows, maybe this was a plot on their part to have clean cool place to stay and be with their children, seems they have nobody.

They are sick (I am not defending them, just stating MOO), addiction is a sickness like any other sickness and I pray that this jail stay will help get them started on a path to recovery. They need to be sent to a drug rehab for at least 2 years once they are let go. That goes for all the players. IMO, I don't feel that Hank nor Lisa know what really happen, they only know what has been said to them, lies and more lies! We have to remember Hank Sr. was in the hospital the night Haleigh went missing and Lisa was with him.

I now wonder if this will help Misty and/or Tommy? Mom and Dad have a drug problem, what role models these kids had. Will this be brought up at their trial/hearing to help get them a reduced sentence or sympathy from the judge?


I am really puzzled at why LE has not looked more into Ronald, Timmy, and Chelsea and why PC "Refuses" to release Ronald's audio/visits from what I understand. Simon, I know you have requested them several times and nothing!


I don't understand why the SA would even consider a plea for Ronald and why Fields is not working on a plea for Misty. She is a first offender, Ronald is "NOT". He has gotten away easy in the past and it seems he will slide right by again this time around. Why? Oh Why?

I am to the point where I don't think we will ever learn what really happen to Haleigh, nor will she be found. How terribly sad! All we hear about are the sickening sideshows of all the players, but nothing on Haleigh. I really wonder what is going on in Putnam Co...JMO



Prayers for Haleigh, she deserves to be found and someone needs to speak up! raying:

BBM

MADJ, Thank you for speaking up for HaLeigh and to everyone else here who is committed to seeking justice for HaLeigh. You all make a difference.

FWIW, awhile ago I began to disagree with the manner in which Field’s was representing Misty and I still feel this way. I wanted to contact him but didn’t in hopes he would be able to “get himself back on track”. Maybe Misty would have been better off with a female lawyer. IMO, 3 powerful males: Fields, Guidice, and Misty's father are all working against Misty, and I hope Misty doesn't fall for his “plan” and gets rid of him if she feels the need to and find someone who will represent her fairly. She is facing serious charges and she needs to speak up now if her lawyer is falling short and settling for less than what she deserves.

KSH352 posted the following concerning Florida Law: Qualification Pursuant to section 958.04, F.S., the court may sentence as a YO any person:

(a) Who is at least 18 years of age or who has been transferred for prosecution to the criminal division of the circuit court pursuant to chapter 985;

(b) Who is found guilty of or who has tendered, and the court has accepted, a plea of nolo contendere or guilty to a crime that is, under the laws of this state, a felony if the offender is younger than 21 years of age at the time sentence is imposed; and

(c) Who has not previously been classified as a youthful offender under the provisions of chapter 985; however, a person who has been found guilty of a capital or life felony may not be sentenced as a YO under the Youthful Offender Act.

After reading this useful post by KSH352, I disagreed with Ray Guidice who said Misty wouldn't qualify for youthful offender status. I didn't listen to the broadcast so I didn't hear RG's argument but according to FL law, he is wrong.

During a conversation between Chelsea and Misty, Misty told Chelsea she wanted to tell the Judge she was a drug addict so she could quality for some type of drug rehab program, and Chelsea said, “But you don’t have a drug problem,” and Misty said, “Well, I’ve smoked some pot”. Maybe WBG, (another influencial male), was lying when he told AH Misty did all kinds of pills when she was with him. Did Nay Nay confirm WBG’s allegations?

Ron was heard on tape saying he likes to get high, and he popped a pill while he was sitting in the car with the UC cop. Cobra insinuated Ron shot drugs into or between his toes and Misty said Ron confiscated the pain killers that were once prescribed to her. Clearly it is Ron, who is much older and has a substantial drug history who is the drug offender and hence responsible for drawing Misty into the drug business IMO.

 

[LotsaLatte]

I cannot believe this family. The more time that goes on, the more crud these people pull and the more I am amazed that we don't know what happened to sweet Haleigh. Fooled by a bunch of fools.
It never occured to me that Misty may have told her mother what really happened (or some variation of the truth.) IF she did tell Lisa anything, I wonder if Lisa allowed Misty to marry Ron because she thought (incorrectly) that if they were married, Ron wouldn't have to testify against Misty (or the other way around.) And perhaps she was happy to see Misty married off to someone that at the time had a job. Ceeeerimany, I don't know. Of course, that would be assuming Misty even knew what happened at the time. IMO she knows something.

 

[nas212913]

I thought with YO, you couldn't be trafficking. I thought that was the reason why she didn't qualify. Maybe I'm misremembering....is that even a real word?

Anyways, I wonder how long Lisa and Hank will be in jail. If it's a VOP, they don't qualify for bail/bond. Which one is it? I can never remember.
And would Hank be considered a habitual? This isn't his first charge on drugs, but because it was prescription pills, is it the same thing? One's an illicit substance and one is legal, even though it wasn't obtained legally.
I'm thinking out loud and most of these cases are running together. OMG my dog is barking. My neighbors are going to kill me. I'll be the next case on here because my hound dog is having a hairy conniption and they will band together with pitch forks and fiery...things. Words escape me.

 

[Whisperer]

Anyone remember doing one of the first video interviews of AH interviewing misty (when she and TN were both giddy), misty slipped and said she called her mother when she first discovered Haleigh missing. However, in routine misty style, she caught herself, and added, "Of course that was after I called 911".

She did a similar slip with Haleigh going to sleep. She started to say she didn't and started to imply there was a problem going on but, again, she caught herself and added, "It took about 30 minutes for Haleigh to fall asleep. I didn't believe her then and don't beleive her now.

It amazes me that she can always catch herself. That doesn't go along with any kind of slow development. She is sharp, just not educated.

 

[Whisperer]

When she called in the 911, she did a similar thing. She started to explain about herself sleeping, the door open and she says, "I think....hesitates...and adds, "Our daughter is missing". I wonder what she was going to say after "I think". I think is not a very strong or urgent way of stating a child was abducted.

 

[Whisperer]

The other thing I recall about this case is LE stating they want to go back 30 hours. That brings it to about 9:00pm Sunday night..

I have a hard time with them going backwards because Haleigh was in school, they say, so why so important to go back alll those hours unless they are looking for motive for murder. I know we have been lied to about ron, misty's and the children's whereabouts for Sunday night...imo.

 

[Crosby87]

I cannot believe this family. The more time that goes on, the more crud these people pull and the more I am amazed that we don't know what happened to sweet Haleigh. Fooled by a bunch of fools.
It never occured to me that Misty may have told her mother what really happened (or some variation of the truth.) IF she did tell Lisa anything, I wonder if Lisa allowed Misty to marry Ron because she thought (incorrectly) that if they were married, Ron wouldn't have to testify against Misty (or the other way around.) And perhaps she was happy to see Misty married off to someone that at the time had a job. Ceeeerimany, I don't know. Of course, that would be assuming Misty even knew what happened at the time. IMO she knows something.

LotsaLatte, I doubt Misty's parents knew this Law was in effect and was the reason they allowed Ron to marry Misty. They are not law abiding citizens by any stretch of the imagination, so I doubt this is why they decided to give Ron what he wanted when he asked if he could marry their daughter. Lisa and Hank knew Ron was using and abusing drugs and beating their daughter on occsasion before R&M were married but they chose to turn a blind eye to all that which I personally didn't agree with. These problems seldom go away on their own but escalate and life for the Croslin's are going from bad to worse. AFAIK, the law which would protect Ron from testifying against Misty, and vice versa, does not apply here because it is involves a missing child, so if they inquired about this beforehand, they would know it wouldn't apply.

I don't have the link to the video where I heard Lisa said something to the effect that her and Hank allowed Misty to marry Ron to silence all the people who opposed their marriage and "knew better" then them. After the Church officials refused to bless their union, Misty's parents refused to listen and follow their example, and since they possessed the authority by law to override the Church's decision, they gladly signed the papers and R&M were married by a JP so they could prove they were right and everyone else didn't know WTH they were talking about. Obviously they did not have their daughter's best interests at heart when they made this choice but that is MO. Will we ever figure out what happened to HaLeigh?

The reason Hank gave for allowing Misty to marry Ron was a lame attempt to coverup his rebellious and disrespectful attitude IMO. We know Hank got pills from Ron because Hank accused Ron of trying to kill him so perhaps the reason Hank allowed their marriage was to prevent his source from drying up. This seems more plausible to me. Hank continually chastised Misty during their jailhouse interviews to tell the truth because he doesn't believe she is telling all she knows, which is what Lisa said also, and I wish he would stop acting this way towards her but I guess he doesn't know any better. Hank is betraying his own daughter and is a traitor concerned only about himself IMO and he just might be shifting the blame from himself and hiding what he knows. If Misty does know what happened to HaLeigh and confided in her mother, her secret seems safe. AFAIK, Lisa and Hank Sr never took a lie detector test.

ETA: There were documents from Shands Hospital posted on this forum proving Hank was hospitalized the weekend before HaLeigh went missing. Chelsea drove Lisa to Gainesville Monday evening in the blue van which belonged to Lindsy to spent the night with her husband and Chelsea returned home to CC to work on the insurance claim.