A New Look at Intruder Theories

[BBB167893]

Sorry, SD.

Ah, forget about it. Live and let live, right?

I've already dropped the magazine idea and moved on. There's no way JR and PR didn't have a typewriter or a printer. He was a graphics computer expert, and she a journalism major. Certainly preferable over handwriting, doncha think?

Preferable? Well, you just answered your own question. He was a computer expert. He had to know the computer would be searched. See, just because you delete something doesn't mean it's gone. TARU can get it back. And I doubt her could have found a degaussing loop just lying around to wipe his harddrive.

It would take only a few minutes for them to create an untraceable ransom note. As few as 44 characters gets the same message across, so linguists couldn't make anything of it.

Well, you make a good point, in theory. But it wouldn't be untraceable. Not necessarily.

 

[angelwngs]

"A third story was added to the home which contained a home office and a massive master bedroom, said to be 1,500 square feet. A spiral staircase was constructed to join this new third floor to the second level where the children's bedrooms were located."

~From Forums For Justice Website

 

[BBB167893]

"A third story was added to the home which contained a home office and a massive master bedroom, said to be 1,500 square feet. A spiral staircase was constructed to join this new third floor to the second level where the children's bedrooms were located."

~From Forums For Justice Website

Yeah, it might not have looked too good to get caught at the home computer, especially when your only way out is to jump out the window!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Yeah, it might not have looked too good to get caught at the home computer, especially when your only way out is to jump out the window!

I don't get it. How does PR and/or JR handwriting over 1500 characters using household writing supplies become preferable over the obvious option of typing a dozen words on the household typewriter?

You're gonna need to explain that one! Good luck!

 

[BBB167893]

I don't get it. How does PR and/or JR handwriting a 2 1/2 page note become preferable over the obvious option of typing a dozen words on the household typewriter?

You're gonna need to explain that one! Good luck!

Sorry, I was picturing the guy jumping out the window!

Okay. Well, it would help if someone could find out whether or not they had a typewriter.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Sorry, I was picturing the guy jumping out the window!

Okay. Well, it would help if someone could find out whether or not they had a typewriter.

The basement, the kitchen, the staircase, JBR's bedroom, and the room where the paintbrush was found. These are the places where parts of the crime apparently took place. You could say the whole house was involved.

They could've placed their electric typewriter anywhere in the open, and left a one dozen word typed RN on the stairs. Same effect. Faster. Much safer. No material for any linguistics or handwriting analysts to use to claim they wrote it.

There's NO WAY you could ever convince me that anyone who lived there would opt for 1500 characters of handwriting over a dozen typed words. No way.

 

[BBB167893]

The basement, the kitchen, the staircase, JBR's bedroom, and the room where the paintbrush was found. These are the places where parts of the crime apparently took place. You could say the whole house was involved.

Indeed.

They could've placed their electric typewriter anywhere in the open, and left a one dozen word typed RN on the stairs. Same effect. Faster. Much safer. No material for any linguistics or handwriting analysts to use to claim they wrote it.

Can anyone say for sure they had one? I've never heard it mentioned.

There's NO WAY you could ever convince me that anyone who lived there would opt for 1500 characters of handwriting over a dozen typed words. No way.

Then what am I doing here?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Then what am I doing here?

Irrational drama queen falls short of explaining how anyone would opt for 1500 plus characters of their own personal handwriting over a few typed words, to be left at a capital murder scene.

Provided of course they had a choice. I don't know if they owned a typewriter either. In which case, the newspaper word cutout idea would've been opted for over handwriting, I think.

 

[BBB167893]

Irrational drama queen falls short of explaining how anyone would opt for 1500 plus characters of their own personal handwriting over a few typed words, to be left at a capital murder scene.

Provided of course they had a choice. I don't know if they owned a typewriter either.

Provided they had the choice. Says it all right there.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Provided they had the choice. Says it all right there.

They'd be back to newspaper word cutout. They didn't even have to throw away the newspaper. Still wouldn't handwrite 1500 characters.

 

[BBB167893]

Granted, getting rid of a newspaper would be easier. Just burn it.

 

[angelwngs]

Try typing with gloves on your hands. Talk about typing errors...

 

[Chrishope]

At least now we're getting somewhere. OK then suppose PR and/or JR killed JBR for whatever reason. They could've cut letters out of a magazine and pasted it on paper to read: "We have her, give us 118K, we call later, any cops she dies." This would have the same effect.

Thats 44 characters of untraceable magazine printing.

But oh yeah, I forgot. PR's an irrational drama queen, so instead of the untraceable route, she chooses to handwrite more than 1500 characters?

Are you for real believing this?

Are you expecting me to believe that PR is an irrational drama queen, just because you say so, without questioning it??

This is starting to get ridiculous.

Why do you think it makes any sense for an intruder to do this? - Write 3 pages of handwritten note, with material from the home? Why wouldn't an intruder cut out 44 letters from magazines?

Oh, I know, to make the Ramseys look like they did it.

Simple Logic - The note was written on a pad belonging to the Ramseys, with a pen belonging to the Ramseys, and most handwritting experts agreed PR probably wrote the note - so, conclusion, PR wrote the note.

Complex Logic - The note can't be what it appears to be, it has to be something opposite, so a small foreign faction must have come to kidnap JBR, unprepared with a RN, so they wrote one in the house, using the R's paper and pen to make them look guilty.

 

[JMO8778]

there was obviously no time to do a cute n paste from mags or newspprs.the RN contained crossed out words and errors,even though it appeared practice notes had been written.what other choice was there,given the obvious lack of time?
The Rams had to get the show on the road,so to speak.The time of the 911 call in accordance w their previous plans also shows an apparent lack of time.

 

[DeeDee249]

The cut-paste note presumes a PLANNED kidnapping. While the Rs had the luxury of staging the crime in their own home, there was not unlimited time. First, this wasn't a real kidnapping, nor was it a botched kidnapping. It was a FAUX kidnapping. The Rs never meant to kill their daughter- a horrible series of events led to this end. So when the kidnapping-gone-wrong plan was hastily hatched, obviously there were some things that could have been done differently looking back. They couldn't think of every last thing, after all. We who study this case pick it apart but by bit. The Rs were in a frantic state that night. Of course they must have done some things they shouldn't have or didn't think through.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Why do you think it makes any sense for an intruder to do this? - Write 3 pages of handwritten note, with material from the home? Why wouldn't an intruder cut out 44 letters from magazines?

Oh, I know, to make the Ramseys look like they did it.

I see you're confused, so I'll help. I was, for argument sake, presuming that PR and/or JR murdered or accidentally killed JBR for whatever reason. We were discussing the options available to PR and/or JR once they decided to write a fake ransom note.

While RDI seems to think the R's were 'forced' and 'had no choices' but to handwrite over 1500 characters, I easily disagree. There were other equally effective options that would not expose themselves to every linguistic and handwriting analyst in the country looking to get their name printed in the tabloids.

"We have her, get 118K, we call later, any cops she dies"

Thats a dozen words that could've been typed, or letters and whole words cut out from magazines or newspapers, or printed on a printer. There is no need to get rid of or hide the printer, typewriter, cut newspapers, etc. just as there was no need to get rid of the sharpie.

RDI can please explain why the R's would opt instead for 1500 handwritten characters, if they are trying to distance themselves from the crime.

 

[Eulalie]

I see you're confused, so I'll help. I was, for argument sake, presuming that PR and/or JR murdered or accidentally killed JBR for whatever reason. We were discussing the options available to PR and/or JR once they decided to write a fake ransom note.

While RDI seems to think the R's were 'forced' and 'had no choices' but to handwrite over 1500 characters, I easily disagree. There were other equally effective options that would not expose themselves to every linguistic and handwriting analyst in the country looking to get their name printed in the tabloids.

"We have her, get 118K, we call later, any cops she dies"

Thats a dozen words that could've been typed, or letters and whole words cut out from magazines or newspapers, or printed on a printer. There is no need to get rid of or hide the printer, typewriter, cut newspapers, etc. just as there was no need to get rid of the sharpie.

RDI can please explain why the R's would opt instead for 1500 handwritten characters, if they are trying to distance themselves from the crime.

It's a common "tell" that someone is lying if they overexplain/talk too much.

"The guilty person may speak more than natural, adding unnecessary details to convince you... they are not comfortable with silence or pauses in the conversation."
http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies.php

"Over-compensation. Often when people lie, they try too hard to be natural, and they give more detail than is necessary."
http://www.increasebrainpower.com/how-to-tell-if-someone-is-lying.html


As for why the perp wouldn't use a typewriter or cut out letters, I believe it would look even less likely to be an outsider (and more likely to be a house resident) if the note's author were able to find scissors, paper and paste/glue in a "strange" house...or possibly even tougher, track down a typewriter or log onto a computer somewhere in the home. It seems to me that if Patsy wrote it, she believed she was disguising her writing, and that's the best she could do under such circumstances.

Just my opinion.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

It's a common "tell" that someone is lying if they overexplain/talk too much.

"The guilty person may speak more than natural, adding unnecessary details to convince you... they are not comfortable with silence or pauses in the conversation."
http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies.php

"Over-compensation. Often when people lie, they try too hard to be natural, and they give more detail than is necessary."
http://www.increasebrainpower.com/how-to-tell-if-someone-is-lying.html


As for why the perp wouldn't use a typewriter or cut out letters, I believe it would look even less likely to be an outsider (and more likely to be a house resident) if the note's author were able to find scissors, paper and paste/glue in a "strange" house...or possibly even tougher, track down a typewriter or log onto a computer somewhere in the home. It seems to me that if Patsy wrote it, she believed she was disguising her writing, and that's the best she could do under such circumstances.

Just my opinion.

The first part of your post isn't really applicable. That is applicable to someone giving verbal testimony, and someone else analyzing it. Instead, these are supposedly parents creating an illusion that someone killed their child because they called the police.

 

[Eulalie]

I believe it is applicable. The ransom letter was written as if the author were talking, not writing -- it began with "Listen carefully!" (rather than "Read carefully!") Beyond that, I see no reason that the tendency of liars to over-explain would not apply to someone writing out a lie under stress and in a hurry.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

As for why the perp wouldn't use a typewriter or cut out letters, I believe it would look even less likely to be an outsider (and more likely to be a house resident) if the note's author were able to find scissors, paper and paste/glue in a "strange" house...or possibly even tougher, track down a typewriter or log onto a computer somewhere in the home. It seems to me that if Patsy wrote it, she believed she was disguising her writing, and that's the best she could do under such circumstances.

Just my opinion.

The second part of your post simply and inexplicably discards the idea that people naturally or instinctively would avoid leaving any handwriting (let alone 1500 characters) at a capital crime scene.

I believe you wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. Nobody who lived there would.

Another poster claims he/she would do it under the right circumstances, but I don't believe that. Anyone self preserving enough to believe they needed a fake ransom note isn't going to handwrite one, thats for sure.

Your choice, leave 1500 characters of your own handwriting, or look for that typewriter?