A slip-up in the ransom note?

[Eagle1]

JonBenet attempting a 911 call at the Whites'? Source, please.
Someone where? At the Whites'? They were at the Whites' on the 25th, and JonBenet made the Santa visit comment to Mrs. Kostanick on the 24th.
-Tea

Since FW's claiming he himself made the interrupted 911 call by mistake, apparently it doesn't occur to anyone that JonBenet may have been making it and may have had the phone grabbed away from her by any of the group. So there's no "source" that I know of for this thought. I didn't say or mean to imply that there was. It just seems so obvious to me. Right after (?) or before (?) Janet McReynolds had found her crying on the back steps, she may have tried a phone call because none of the adults, not even her parents, were paying any attention to her, and she may have been in pain, because coroners said there was an injury that had been healing for, I believe, 48 to 72 hrs.

To me this is simple logic. Remember, when people make rash statements that the R's did this, that, or the other, they don't give a source. There is none, and often I can't agree with the conclusions "jumped to", no matter how strongly they feel about it. Sometimes there's a good point and I acknowledge it, but we're getting a bit off the subject of handwriting.

 

[Eagle1]

I think we're in agreement that you can't judge this case by handwriting, because already there's at least one other person, from the Atlanta area, whose handwriting has just as many similarities or maybe more. Did anyone count?

How's this, just to give our imaginations a stretch and a workout? That alleged "training camp" in Georgia somewhere, that Bin Laden and Lucas and Toole all allegedly attended, has anyone heard a name for it? Not Satanist? But what?

I have no idea how the Paugh/Ramseys of Atlanta would catch such peoples' attention, maybe pedophiles' networking, noticing the pageants, but "what if" their ring leader had a bunch of people practicing imitating Patsy's handwriting, and the winner was going to be the one to write the ransom note? So that there may be several more who could come close? Reason "Because we can"???

If any of this is true, conceivably they could have had Karr to do this confessing and that they'd use connections to get him off, all because they're proud of their tactics and afraid they're being forgotten? Just beating the bushes. Any bushes. Not saying it's a definite theory, or that it has any source, just "Freewriting", a term from a journalizm class. We'd write a couple of pages and then edit into a story paragraph. This might give one or more of you an even better idea.

Was there a slip-up in the RN? I think their boasting about monitoring the family may be one, but I can't think of anything further on that. Someone else?

 

[Chrishope]

I think we're in agreement that you can't judge this case by handwriting, because already there's at least one other person, from the Atlanta area, whose handwriting has just as many similarities or maybe more. Did anyone count?

How's this, just to give our imaginations a stretch and a workout? That alleged "training camp" in Georgia somewhere, that Bin Laden and Lucas and Toole all allegedly attended, has anyone heard a name for it? Not Satanist? But what?

I have no idea how the Paugh/Ramseys of Atlanta would catch such peoples' attention, maybe pedophiles' networking, noticing the pageants, but "what if" their ring leader had a bunch of people practicing imitating Patsy's handwriting, and the winner was going to be the one to write the ransom note? So that there may be several more who could come close? Reason "Because we can"???

If any of this is true, conceivably they could have had Karr to do this confessing and that they'd use connections to get him off, all because they're proud of their tactics and afraid they're being forgotten? Just beating the bushes. Any bushes. Not saying it's a definite theory, or that it has any source, just "Freewriting", a term from a journalizm class. We'd write a couple of pages and then edit into a story paragraph. This might give one or more of you an even better idea.

Was there a slip-up in the RN? I think their boasting about monitoring the family may be one, but I can't think of anything further on that. Someone else?

For some reason, while I was reading that, I kept hearing the theme from the Twighlight Zone.

 

[Eagle1]

For some reason, while I was reading that, I kept hearing the theme from the Twighlight Zone.

Batman's villains might also come to mind? But really, what about that camp?

 

[Chrishope]

Batman's villains might also come to mind? But really, what about that camp?

I connected the training camp idea to my digital palusibility meter and the number that came up was negative one hundred. ( -100)

 

[Chrishope]

I think we're in agreement that you can't judge this case by handwriting, ...

On this I'm largely in agreement. Handwritting "experts" insist PR's writing looks like the RN, then when Karr comes along, dozens of "experts" insist his writing is like the RN. There is a plausible case to be made that JR's writing looks like the RN.

Personally, I'll just trust my eyes.

The problem is there is no real "science" involved. I like the textual analysis better, as it yeilds clues as to the writer's habits, not just the similarity of the handwritting.

 

[4sure]

I connected the training camp idea to my digital palusibility meter and the number that came up was negative one hundred. ( -100)

How does the Mafia rate on this meter? Do you think they exist? Do you think they blackmail politicians with sex and money? Do you remember what the mafia's main goal was in the Godfather? In case you don't remember it was getting their own elected to office rather than having to bribe elected officials. Do you remember who became the mafia's best buds in the 60's? Does CIA mean anything to you? Do you know who works hand in hand with the CIA? Defense contractors. What's LM? That right a defense contractor. Would a local DA's office bow down to a nobody like JR who company was bought out from underneath him like a child buys a candy bar by LM? Doubt it very much. They may however be pressured to cover up for much more important people.

 

[Chrishope]

How does the Mafia rate on this meter? Do you think they exist? Do you think they blackmail politicians with sex and money? Do you remember what the mafia's main goal was in the Godfather? In case you don't remember it was getting their own elected to office rather than having to bribe elected officials. Do you remember who became the mafia's best buds in the 60's? Does CIA mean anything to you? Do you know who works hand in hand with the CIA? Defense contractors. What's LM? That right a defense contractor. Would a local DA's office bow down to a nobody like JR who company was bought out from underneath him like a child buys a candy bar by LM? Doubt it very much. They may however be pressured to cover up for much more important people.

"Do do do do, do do do do, .... You are about to take a journey. A journey not of sight, or of sound, but one of immagination.... "

 

[icedtea4me]

Since FW's claiming he himself made the interrupted 911 call by mistake, apparently it doesn't occur to anyone that JonBenet may have been making it and may have had the phone grabbed away from her by any of the group. So there's no "source" that I know of for this thought.

I am aware of the call Fleet White tried to make from the Ramseys' home on the 23rd when he inadvertently dialed 911 instead. But you said

JonBenet attempting a 911 call at the Whites'

and I want to know the source of this attempted phone call on the 25th.


-Tea

 

[BBB167893]

Let's dial it back a little, shall we?

Yes I see them. I also saw "shall be the conqueror" and so called experts telling me JMK's hand writing matched even better than Patsys.
Its wonderful speculation.
It's meaningless as evidence.

That, sadly, is the nature of the beast.

On this I'm largely in agreement. Handwritting "experts" insist PR's writing looks like the RN, then when Karr comes along, dozens of "experts" insist his writing is like the RN. There is a plausible case to be made that JR's writing looks like the RN.

Personally, I'll just trust my eyes.

The problem is there is no real "science" involved. I like the textual analysis better, as it yeilds clues as to the writer's habits, not just the similarity of the handwritting.

True enough. Like I told Eagle1, if we went JUST by the handwriting, we'd be nowhere.

 

[cynpat2000]

Let's dial it back a little, shall we?



That, sadly, is the nature of the beast.



True enough. Like I told Eagle1, if we went JUST by the handwriting, we'd be nowhere.

Exactly , the handwriting is just a small part of the Ramseys guilt..

 

[Cranberry]

Let's take another look at the last line as it was originally written- "If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence a earlier delivery (scribbled out) pick-up of your daughter."

Now, how about if, for consistency sake, the "we" is changed to an "I" since this could be a message from Patsy to John. And I brought up the possibility about the word "money" actually being a symbolic code word for something else other than cash money. So let's substitute "something" for "money". Finally, let's keep in flow with the mind set of the writer and leave in the last "delivery" and omit the "pick-up" for the time being. This is what the result would be-

"If I (Patsy) monitor you (John) getting the "something" early, I might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the "something" and hence a earlier delivery of your daughter".


-Tea

Hi Tea, That is so interesting, and I'm glad you posted it. At the monetary line of $100.00 and $20.00, I always think: find 'something' here and remains found there. I know that doesn't make sense at the moment, lol, but when I study it more we can discuss all the possibilities. Thanks Tea!

 

[goddess]

Is that any different than RDIs that think the RN was written by Patsy because it's filled with clues from Patsy. And don't give that handwritting bull because thats just more LE lies in order to pressure the R's into confessing.

Actually, reading hodges psycolinguistic analysis of the note, (plus he analyzed several other letters the rams had written, both before and after murder), plus several handwring analyses convinced me Patsy wrote the note.

I have a link to a document that totally convinced me. Miller takes every letter of the note, and matches them up to patsy's exemplars for each letter, some letters match written different ways. It is almost chilling to read the last ten pages of this document. It is pdf, so for dial ups, it can be a tad slow.
http://www.acandyrose.com/02182003dh911motion.pdf

 

[Chrishope]

Actually, reading hodges psycolinguistic analysis of the note, (plus he analyzed several other letters the rams had written, both before and after murder), plus several handwring analyses convinced me Patsy wrote the note.

I have a link to a document that totally convinced me. Miller takes every letter of the note, and matches them up to patsy's exemplars for each letter, some letters match written different ways. It is almost chilling to read the last ten pages of this document. It is pdf, so for dial ups, it can be a tad slow.
http://www.acandyrose.com/02182003dh911motion.pdf

Thank you for that.

 

[T-Rex]

"Scrutiny" could sum up the whole motive. It implies not just being watched, but that the writer felt the family was being "constantly" watched and judged.

 

[JMO8778]

Since FW's claiming he himself made the interrupted 911 call by mistake, apparently it doesn't occur to anyone that JonBenet may have been making it and may have had the phone grabbed away from her by any of the group. So there's no "source" that I know of for this thought. I didn't say or mean to imply that there was. It just seems so obvious to me. Right after (?) or before (?) Janet McReynolds had found her crying on the back steps, she may have tried a phone call because none of the adults, not even her parents, were paying any attention to her, and she may have been in pain, because coroners said there was an injury that had been healing for, I believe, 48 to 72 hrs.

To me this is simple logic.

Add to that the fact Susan Stine answered the police herself,though the intercom and without opening the door to them,which I find odd considering it wasn't her house..as well as neither of the R's came to the door to find out what was going on.Strange,IMO.

 

[Eagle1]

"Scrutiny" could sum up the whole motive. It implies not just being watched, but that the writer felt the family was being "constantly" watched and judged.

Amen, T-Rex. Exactly.

I've always felt the note was a way of bragging and showing off about the monitoring and scrutiny, something that makes somebody feel powerful and special and he almost blows his cover by wanting attention about it.

Goddess, do you happen to know exactly how many similarities there were in Karr's handwriting, some of it from his h.s. yearbook I believe, and how many of Patsy's? Which of them had more? We really need to know nad I somehow missed that detail, if it's ever been given.

I've been wondering also if Karr maybe attended that 7-wks training camp in Georgia, and if there are other camps like it all over, who or what runs them, and like that.

 

[BBB167893]

I trust my own eyes.

 

[narlacat]

Amen, T-Rex. Exactly.

I've always felt the note was a way of bragging and showing off about the monitoring and scrutiny, something that makes somebody feel powerful and special and he almost blows his cover by wanting attention about it.

Goddess, do you happen to know exactly how many similarities there were in Karr's handwriting, some of it from his h.s. yearbook I believe, and how many of Patsy's? Which of them had more? We really need to know nad I somehow missed that detail, if it's ever been given.

I've been wondering also if Karr maybe attended that 7-wks training camp in Georgia, and if there are other camps like it all over, who or what runs them, and like that.

Why are people still wondering about Karr.
He didn't do it..

 

[Eagle1]

Why are people still wondering about Karr.
He didn't do it..

Because so far he's just all we've got. And he could have been involved, and/or could know who else was. The media's saying he's not cleared.