Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #209

[SouthEnd]

I am surprised that it is said it can't be verified what date/time the camcorder out of the cell (I remember them saying they used the camcorder whenever he was transported anywhere within the building). You'd think the date/time stamp would be visible on the video clips themselves. I sure hope that the prison didn't have that feature turned off--because that would seem to defeat one of the major purposes of taking the video in the first place--providing documentation.

Moo based on previous insurances when the defence couldn't locate discovery that was supplied to them... they might have misplaced the data/cut the clips and didn't note down the timestamps.

All MOO

 

[SouthEnd]

It makes no sense at all.

It wasn't his own report, it was another agent's, check upthread - just clarifying.

Edit: source

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852392447684305103

 

[StarryStarryNight]

RA is the only person dressed like BG to admit he was on the bridge minutes before the girls arrived.
RA is the only one who was dressed like BG who drove a 2016 Ford Focus SE near the trails that day.
RA is the only person dressed like BG, driving a Ford Focus, who admitted having a gun at the trails.
RA is the only person dressed like BG, driving a Ford Focus, carrying a gun who says they saw a van at the trails.
RA is the only person dressed like BG, driving a Ford Focus, carrying a gun, who saw a van, who butchered two little girls at the trails.

 

[gremlin444]

I feel like we are all relying on the worst possible people to tell us what happens in that courtroom. Like a group of drunks at a bar telling a story. No one really says the same thing and most of it doesn't make sense.

The problem is that in most cases in order to be able to post any mid day updates, the lucky media members who are picked each day have to run out at breaks and shove their handwritten notes to another reporter from their team...and that reporter then has to try to interpret the notes. Later in the day the in courtroom reporter usually goes back over the daytime update articles and adds details/makes corrections....the article you see at 8 pm is very different than the one at noon. The people/reporters who are there who don't have a team are sending out short tweets during breaks, and then trying to recreate a whole story from their notes at the end of the day. The MSM reporters who didn't get one of the media seats that day are then depending on getting information from the reporters who did get in.

This is not the fault of the reporters. Its the fault of the way the rules have been set up for this trial.

If the reporters all said "hey, public, we are not going to post any updates during the day because there will be mistakes and it will be incomplete, just wait until 6 or 7 pm and then you'll get a fleshed out and carefully edited article covering the whole day"...people would have a fit.

 

[minor4th]

So... what's said by RA in these videos is ruled to be hearsay?

Anything Richard Allen says would be hearsay if offered by defense.

 

[Appletreefarm35]

Is this a crazy theory?

I was wondering if Libby and Abby had a toxicology report done (which I cannot find the answer to)
As Richard Allen worked in a pharmacy is it possible the girls were drugged or sedated, hence the lack of defensive wounds or signs of restraint? Could that also explain why BG may have spent an extended period of time over the creek before leaving? possibly waiting for something to take effect or had knowledge of how long the effects of something would last etc?

Just MOO

I don't think it's a crazy theory, but I think the tight timeline between the kidnapping to the murders makes this very unlikely. For reference, I'm a pharmacist in Indiana & have worked at CVS in the past (I worked at the Delphi CVS years ago actually, long before RA did). There are certainly medications available in the pharmacy that could render someone incapacitated, but given the very short timeline I would expect an injectable medication would be required to act that quickly. Retail pharmacies like CVS stock very limited injectable medications that would work that quickly to incapacitate someone (ie injectable opioids, benzodiazepines, etc). Those sorts of medications would typically be used in a hospital setting because of the monitoring they require. Oral medications could certainly have that effect but are unlikely to work as quickly as the Delphi timeline would require (ie oral absorption of medications is much slower than injectable).

 

[tlcya]

It wasn't his own report, it was another agent's, check upthread - just clarifying.

Edit: source

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852392447684305103

and yet attorney Auger appeared stunned and confused when her own witness couldn't remember what specifically BW had said about when he arrived home from work or if he'd made any stops on the way. The attorney that called him to the stand feigned shock and confusion when another agent's report wasn't helpful in reminding him.

MOO - They wanted FBI Special Agent Adam Pohl but he was unavailable to testify due to his current assignment in TX. So they hauled in Gootee, in the hopes that they could get what they wanted out of him and then feigned shock and confusion when they didn't. GMAFB

 

[otto]

@AustinKellerman

What Google searches from Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen reveal https://trib.al/rODoowI

12:29 PM · Nov 1, 2024


https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime...ocialflow&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Searches at link...
The searches are from Allen’s Gmail account and were done on one of his devices.

Was Richard Allen thinking that he could claim that he was kidnapped by Libby and Abby, and that he killed them in self-defence?

"On Oct. 2, 2022, less than two weeks before he was initially questioned in the case, Allen searched for the “65+ best kidnapping and hostage movies ever made.” Other searches from the same day included “man held hostage by teen” and “movie about a man being held against his will.”

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/delphi-richard-allen-google-search/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

 

[INfisherman]

The problem is that in most cases in order to be able to post any mid day updates, the lucky media members who are picked each day have to run out at breaks and shove their handwritten notes to another reporter from their team...and that reporter then has to try to interpret the notes. Later in the day the in courtroom reporter usually goes back over the daytime update articles and adds details/makes corrections....the article you see at 8 pm is very different than the one at noon. The people/reporters who are there who don't have a team are sending out short tweets during breaks, and then trying to recreate a whole story from their notes at the end of the day. The MSM reporters who didn't get one of the media seats that day are then depending on getting information from the reporters who did get in.

This is not the fault of the reporters. Its the fault of the way the rules have been set up for this trial.

If the reporters all said "hey, public, we are not going to post any updates during the day because there will be mistakes and it will be incomplete, just wait until 6 or 7 pm and then you'll get a fleshed out and carefully edited article covering the whole day"...people would have a fit.

Which, keep in mind, is more than likely due to the "accidental" leaking of evidence from the D’s own office during pre-trial hearings. I would also imagine some of the media restrictions were put in place in hopes of avoiding the small town & neighboring communities from being overrun with members of the media.

Of course, with all the Odinists preaching their white supremacy all across IN, where can we make room for the media?

All JMO

 

[Boxer]

All just my opinion:

I have always felt that KA knew (or had a strong suspicion) all along. Just my opinion. Wouldn’t she have wondered just what the heck her husband (or somebody who looked exactly like him..) was doing on MHB, overdressed in clothes that looked like his on a warm day at approximately the same time the girls were thought to have been murdered?

Wouldn't she have recognized the jacket? The hat/cap? The jeans? The leather hip pack? Wouldn’t she have known that he was a sex addict (as he admitted) and an alcoholic (as he admitted) who had previously exhibited some mental health issues and odd behavior? She lived with him.

Imo if KA didn’t believe it was him, it was only because she didn’t want to believe it was him. Imo she was in denial - protecting herself and her family - mentally and emotionally.

I think that when RA first saw the BG photos on the 15th, he panicked. I bet his heart started racing. He knew right then that he was going to have to pre-explain his presence on MHB. Everybody would see him (or see somebody who looked exactly like him wearing clothes exactly like his) on that bridge. It’s remarkable to me that nobody immediately called the tip line and suggested that it might be him. Idk, maybe RA was not that well known, not very social.

He also knew there had been witnesses who could possibly put him (or somebody who looked very much like him) there, but he probably hadn’t worried too much about that until the BG photos were published on the 15th. Those were his clothes. He had parked his car there.

Imo the first person RA would’ve felt he needed to pre-explain his presence at MHB to was KA. She would recognize him for sure. How could a wife not? He would then need to arrange it so that she thought it was her idea to do the same with LE. Pre-explain. What manipulation imo.

Jmo, but I think he knew that Libby’s video would eventually convict him. That had to have been a shock. Pre-explaining his presence was his only hope, and even that was slim. Every day that went by had to have been filled with a terrible sense of foreboding, that he was eventually going to be held to account.

All just my opinion

Also about 5% of men are 5'4".
MOO she was in active denial.

 

[m00c0w]

Was Richard Allen thinking that he could claim that he was kidnapped by Libby and Abby, and that he killed them in self-defence?

"On Oct. 2, 2022, less than two weeks before he was initially questioned in the case, Allen searched for the “65+ best kidnapping and hostage movies ever made.” Other searches from the same day included “man held hostage by teen” and “movie about a man being held against his will.”

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/delphi-richard-allen-google-search/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

I think he was just looking for a movie like Hard Candy or something.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Ok so from thread #208 post 412… I don’t know how to bring a post forward… this is what I was thinking of/ and please report if posts need to be removed - it was more that vans were mentioned in discovery- no clue about time line of tips

“https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/i-did-it-do-you-still-love-me-jurors-hear-allens-phone-call-confessions-in-delphi-murders-trial/

"During cross-examination, Rozzi noted there were 14,000 tips in the Delphi case and said there were numerous references—perhaps hundreds—to white vans in evidence turned over during discovery."

I'm sure RA went and read all 14,000 tips“

Thanks!
I read the article and am relinking.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/i-did-it-do-you-still-love-me-jurors-hear-allens-phone-call-confessions-in-delphi-murders-trial/

 

[flashy09]

Was Richard Allen thinking that he could claim that he was kidnapped by Libby and Abby, and that he killed them in self-defence?

"On Oct. 2, 2022, less than two weeks before he was initially questioned in the case, Allen searched for the “65+ best kidnapping and hostage movies ever made.” Other searches from the same day included “man held hostage by teen” and “movie about a man being held against his will.”

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/delphi-richard-allen-google-search/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Man held hostage by teen is a very strange movie search. I think he really wanted to watch a movie the other away around, but was being a little bit careful in his searches and "special interests".

 

[minor4th]

It wasn't his own report, it was another agent's, check upthread - just clarifying.

Edit: source

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852392447684305103

Thanks. I was aware. It still makes no sense.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Anything Richard Allen says would be hearsay if offered by defense.

I’m ignorant- how is it not hearsay when offered by the P? Like the audio confessions? I don’t understand- IANAL

 

[twall]

Moo based on previous insurances when the defence couldn't locate discovery that was supplied to them... they might have misplaced the data/cut the clips and didn't note down the timestamps.

All MOO

The videos were only labeled with months.

#UPDATE: Doesn’t appear any videos will be shown today. The defense says they can’t say for sure when the videos are from because they only got them in folders labeled with months in the discovery. Judge Gull said if they can’t verify that she won’t let them in.

12:15 PM · Nov 1, 2024

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[INfisherman]

As an Illiana (illinois/indiana border) resident please share with me examples of Odinist crimes or murders that have added to this "plague" in the area separate from this case.

I am not justifying their beliefs but sacrifices are not at all typical in Norse or odin beliefs.

What is Odinism, and is it connected to the Delphi murders?

Odinism is considered a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

www.newsnationnow.com

Agreed 1000%. One of the most ridiculous claims I’ve read in recent weeks. Complete eye roller.

 

[minor4th]

and yet attorney Auger appeared stunned and confused when her own witness couldn't remember what specifically BW had said about when he arrived home from work or if he'd made any stops on the way. The attorney that called him to the stand feigned shock and confusion when another agent's report wasn't helpful in reminding him.

MOO - They wanted FBI Special Agent Adam Pohl but he was unavailable to testify due to his current assignment in TX. So they hauled in Gootee, in the hopes that they could get what they wanted out of him and then feigned shock and confusion when they didn't. GMAFB

I doubt that is what happened. More likely Gootee said something different when the defense spoke with him, but suddenly “can’t remember” what Weber said.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Was Richard Allen thinking that he could claim that he was kidnapped by Libby and Abby, and that he killed them in self-defence?

"On Oct. 2, 2022, less than two weeks before he was initially questioned in the case, Allen searched for the “65+ best kidnapping and hostage movies ever made.” Other searches from the same day included “man held hostage by teen” and “movie about a man being held against his will.”

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/delphi-richard-allen-google-search/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

My guess is RA had fantasies of being held hostage / bondage by multiple women. His drunk brain twisted that fantasy into a real life version where he flips the script. Only way to flip the script was attack two very young women. Terrorizing.

jmo

 

[twall]

Man held hostage by teen is a very strange movie search. I think he really wanted to watch a movie the other away around, but was being a little bit careful in his searches and "special interests".

Sounds like someone was searching for the subject of a movie but couldn't recall the name of it. JMO from experience.