Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #209

[BUF]

#NEW: The defense in the #Delphi double murders trial will not be permitted to include Odinism as they present their case.

More incoming.

@WISHNews8 #RichardAllen #RichardAllenTrial

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852468149750501728

Guess we won’t be seeing those 150(?) defense witnesses now

 

[minor4th]

Me, too. I didn’t understand how massive it was until I started looking at the times after Cecil’s testimony. Google Maps is also not much help because most of the bridge is obscured. Getting on Google Earth and going back to 2017 yields very clear imagery of the bridge.

I’m going to try that. Thanks for the tip

 

[shonyakay]

This photo was taken by Libby shortly before they were abducted. I don't have the timestamp, but it's probably available online. There are other photos of the Monon bridge that can be compared to this photo to determine whether it is the Monon bridge or not.

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This photo was taken by Libby at 2:07 p.m. Libby was standing on the third platform and Abby is walking in between Platform 2 and 3. Platform 1 is in the distance to the left.

Here is a photo of the bridge and you can see the same markings on the railroad ties in both pictures.

 

[otto]

Right, but the photos with the timestamps show that the earliest the van drove by would have been 2:22 PM and we know Libby’s phone recorded activity until 2:32 PM. So that leaves only 10 minutes to get from the South side of the creek where the van drive by to the final crime scene with no further movement on Libby’s phone. Is that even possible?

They were abducted at 2:13. They were taken down the hill under the bridge. They undressed.

10-15 minutes later, a white van drove by. That interrupted Richard Allen's sexual assault of the girls (his admission). All three then crossed the creek and travelled halfway up the ravine.

The time it takes to walk from the South end of the bridge to the ravine doesn't matter because they stopped for 10-15 minutes between the bridge and the ravine.

It took one minute to travel from the North side of the creek up the ravine to where they were murdered. Twenty minutes after abduction, they never moved again.

 

[shonyakay]

 

[steeltowngirl]

I understand that. I’m just wondering how there can be a photo of Abby at 2:07 with no one behind her and then the video of BG behind them at 2:13 (?). BG could not have sprinted across that bridge to catch up with them.

They were young teens goofing around on the bridge, taking pictures, girl talk. BG did catch up with them. Abby was frightened by his approach and not knowing where a path was off the end of the bridge. She likely froze for a bit, Libby was trying to guide her, he caught up. He’d been on that bridge many times.

jmo

 

[Vern]

I understand that. I’m just wondering how there can be a photo of Abby at 2:07 with no one behind her and then the video of BG behind them at 2:13 (?). BG could not have sprinted across that bridge to catch up with them.

I think it's simply because it was Abby's first time ever on the bridge so they were progressing very slowly accross.

BG has obviously done it before because between the time it took to take that photo of her and the recording of the video beginning, he had time to cross the bridge and to catch up with them --- he is caught on the video coming up behind Libby, her hustling to the end of the bridge with him behimd her, then them being ordered "down the hill".

He was crossing "with a sense of purpose".

 

[BUF]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 13 live blog

Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen continues with testimony from witnesses. Allen is charged with murder of two girls in 2017. Follow for updates.

www.wishtv.com

News 8’s Kyla Russell reports that Delphi Murders Special Judge Fran Gull has ruled that no testimony about Odinism during the trial of suspect Richard Allen.

Gull again denied a renewed defense requests to present testimony about Odinism, Norse paganism, and ritualistic killing. The judge also will not allow testimony about potential other suspects.

Added:
The judge’s decisions came after arguments in court late Friday afternoon. The defense team had asked for a ruling on their motion, which had been made days earlier, before they proceeded with additional witnesses before the jury.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Guess we won’t be seeing those 150(?) defense witnesses now

Nope. Glad for that. I was worried that defense would bring them in and exhaust the jury.

jmo

 

[rickstyles84]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 13 live blog

Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen continues with testimony from witnesses. Allen is charged with murder of two girls in 2017. Follow for updates.

www.wishtv.com

News 8’s Kyla Russell reports that Delphi Murders Special Judge Fran Gull has ruled that no testimony about Odinism during the trial of suspect Richard Allen.

Gull again denied a renewed defense requests to present testimony about Odinism, Norse paganism, and ritualistic killing. The judge also will not allow testimony about potential other suspects.

If that last part is true it basically boxes out the defense near entirely. Unfortunately for BW he will become a bigger target now I believe for the misdirection.

 

[KSwizzle]

How can the judge deny the theory it was comitted by someone not RA, that’s wild. I do think he did it but this is seeming like a witch trial, literally someone not RA committing these murders whether he knew and worked with them to do it or he didn’t and they are completely separate is the only to me plausible explanation that a defense could argue and they’re not even allowed to do that? That’s an injustice to everyone, MOO

 

[NoeticSoul]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 13 live blog

Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen continues with testimony from witnesses. Allen is charged with murder of two girls in 2017. Follow for updates.

www.wishtv.com

News 8’s Kyla Russell reports that Delphi Murders Special Judge Fran Gull has ruled that no testimony about Odinism during the trial of suspect Richard Allen.

Gull again denied a renewed defense requests to present testimony about Odinism, Norse paganism, and ritualistic killing. The judge also will not allow testimony about potential other suspects.

Woopsie. Seems like all else they have are big nothing-burgers then.. imo

 

[Inthedetails]

If that last part is true it basically boxes out the defense near entirely. Unfortunately for BW he will become a bigger target now I believe for the misdirection.

Just because the defense points a finger at others doesn't mean the jury will buy it. Just like many of us don't buy it.

jmo

 

[Boxer]

How can the judge deny the theory it was comitted by someone not RA, that’s wild. I do think he did it but this is seeming like a witch trial, literally someone not RA committing these murders whether he knew and worked with them to do it or he didn’t and they are completely separate is the only to me plausible explanation that a defense could argue and they’re not even allowed to do that? That’s an injustice to everyone, MOO

It can't be a theory there has to be evidence.

 

[photographer4]

The clothing was found on the South and North side of the creek. That means that the girls were partially or fully undressed (Libby) before they crossed the creek. That means that they either dropped some clothes as clues, or RA threw them into the creek, before they walked up the ravine.

Richard Allen admitted that a white van drove by and interrupted the sexual assault. He had to be on the South side of the creek to be interrupted by the van.

The white van passed at approximately 2:25, ten to fifteen minutes after they were abducted. Then they crossed the creek to the ravine, where they were murdered an hour later.

I posted a link overnight that quoted Wala as saying RA said "a van" - he did not say a "white van" per her testimony according to the link I shared in that post (pls search for it under my username if you are interested). As such, I am wondering, what makes people think RA said he saw a "white van"? Is there a link to where HE said this? Anything I've read from various articles asserts that another witness (may have been Holeman, not sure) said "white van" - but, to my knowledge, RA did not. Ty in advance for the link to where RA said it himself.

 

[KSwizzle]

It can't be a theory there has to be evidence.

I personally do not believe they have proved beyond a reasonable doubt that bridge guy is the killer, he could be, and probably is, to me there is reasonable doubt MOO

 

[minor4th]

I think it's simply because it was Abby's first time ever on the bridge so they were progressing very slowly accross.

BG has obviously done it before because between the time it took to take that photo of her and the recording of the video beginning, he had time to cross the bridge and to catch up with them --- he is caught on the video coming up behind Libby, her hustling to the end of the bridge with him behimd her, then them being ordered "down the hill".

He was crossing "with a sense of purpose".

He doesn’t look like he’s hustling in the video.

 

[MrsWatson]

How can the judge deny the theory it was comitted by someone not RA, that’s wild. I do think he did it but this is seeming like a witch trial, literally someone not RA committing these murders whether he knew and worked with them to do it or he didn’t and they are completely separate is the only to me plausible explanation that a defense could argue and they’re not even allowed to do that? That’s an injustice to everyone, MOO

IMO, IANAL, but possibly because there is absolutely no evidence to support this?

 

[otto]

How can the judge deny the theory it was comitted by someone not RA, that’s wild. I do think he did it but this is seeming like a witch trial, literally someone not RA committing these murders whether he knew and worked with them to do it or he didn’t and they are completely separate is the only to me plausible explanation that a defense could argue and they’re not even allowed to do that? That’s an injustice to everyone, MOO

Just an opinion but ... Richard Allen is on trial. The evidence should relate to his participation in the murder, not the possibility that someone else did it. If he is not guilty, he can produce his phone from 2017 as evidence. He can also produce his blue coat that he wore that day.

He has known since 2017 that he could be implicated in the murders because he placed himself there at the time of the abductions. He should have held onto everything that could exonerate him if he's innocent.

 

[Inthedetails]

How can the judge deny the theory it was comitted by someone not RA, that’s wild. I do think he did it but this is seeming like a witch trial, literally someone not RA committing these murders whether he knew and worked with them to do it or he didn’t and they are completely separate is the only to me plausible explanation that a defense could argue and they’re not even allowed to do that? That’s an injustice to everyone, MOO

And with that thought, you could start youtube channel and get lots of clicks and followers.

(I mean "you" as people in general, not you specifically.)

jmo