Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #209

[steeltowngirl]

Yes, they are. I don't have a problem stating such. So explain allowing his and not someone else's.

Are you referring to PW? That is the only confession I’m aware of, and it was not to murder.

Unless you mean KAK saying his dad did it?

 

[MassGuy]

What’s more likely. Allen, admittedly dressed like BG, isn’t spotted by a soul at a place he said he was, at a time when we know for a fact other people were there.

Or, these people saw Allen, and Allen is BG?

Two witnesses in that group of 4 described a man in a blue jacket and jeans. One of them got the clothing description almost completely wrong, which shows the fallibility of witness identification. All of them remembered height wrong.

Allen mentioned 3 girls, and correctly described the dynamic older/younger being babysat. He also described the hair color of one of the girls.

I don’t believe he was trying to obfuscate the truth by changing the number/ages of the group; I think he was honed in on one particular girl and he wasn’t paying close attention to the rest.

Because he did give that damning clothing description after all.

I mean he saw a group, and somehow remembered the hair color of one girl, which wasn’t unique (dark).

Then minutes later the attack happened.

 

[AugustWest]

Are you referring to PW? That is the only confession I’m aware of, and it was not to murder.

Unless you mean KAK saying his dad did it?

Any confession. Any, regardless of who I am talking about.

 

[steeltowngirl]

But it wasn’t a man resembling Richard Allen according to the witness descriptions.

Can you reference where a witness said the man they saw didn’t resemble Richard Allen?

 

[Vern]

Fox59 video report explicitly said RA said white van. I posted the link yesterday.

I also posted a link to the Indy Star earlier today that explicitly stated that Dr Wala's report indicated "white van".

 

[steeltowngirl]

Any confession. Any, regardless of who I am talking about.

I did it! Is that admissible?

 

[00stevenm]

Many of the confessions can be worked around it sounds like. It will be a tall task, but not impossible for the defense, IMO.

 

[AugustWest]

I did it! Is that admissible?

Yes. You are now. You have just created a fact question that a jury can hear to determine your credibility should you deny it later.

 

[SouthEnd]

I did it! Is that admissible?

I would normally say no because there is no corroborating evidence, but I'm now convinced otherwise. Please report to your nearest police station (joking. I swear this is a joke)

But genuine question, why wouldn't it be admissible vs why would it be? Surely there are legal standards?

 

[ClearAhead]

Wasn't all said questions about their alibis asked and answered during the pre-trial hearing? How much more evidence is required to prove that a person who clocked out at a time that makes it impossible to be at the bridge at 2:13, who had sworn testimony from a coworker placing them at work and even posted on SM about work was, indeed, at work?

That's why, IMO, it is the Judge's job to rule at which point the questioning is sufficient and needs to be dropped. Because lets be honest, if it was up to D attorneys there wouldn't be any evidence enough to prove that Someone Else Did Not Do It. (you can agree with me off the record, I will never tell!)

All MOO

That each had an alibi to prove they weren’t at the crime scene in Delphi was the reason the D tried to move up the timeline, was it not? But then it gets convoluted because we know BG was there by 2:13pm. The testimony of the ME and the estimated time of death proved they couldn’t have been taken away and brought back 14 hours later, blood at the crime scene proves they were murdered where they were found and steps in the health app lead only to the murder site and no further.

The D had to have known their motion would be denied. They were already boxed in. JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Yes. You are now. You have just created a fact question that a jury can hear to determine your credibility should you deny it later.

Can I have my own thread?

 

[minor4th]

Question: Can the judge's decision be challenged and overturned?

Not before the trial is concluded.

 

[m00c0w]

Any confession. Any, regardless of who I am talking about.

As far as I know, there have only been two individuals with confessions.

1) A bunch from RA
2) One alleged confession from an individual that is straight-up hearsay from someone that recanted (IIRC), and could not be corroborated regardless

Am I missing any in particular?

 

[Arkay]

Yeah, their descriptions varied and not one of the descriptions match Richard Allen.

I know eyewitness testimony is not so reliable, so I don’t put too much weight in it, but there are several people here posting about how all the witnesses identified RA or described BG. That’s simply not true.

This case would be vastly more challenging, had not Richard Allen lightened the load by telling us himself that he was there.

I trust he was capable of identifying himself, but whether or not he admits to being BG, we know he was there. That day during that span of time.

IMO

 

[Inthedetails]

I’m kind of surprised by the reactions.
There’s no DNA, no digital evidence.
All is not lost for those who believe RA is innocent.

Odinist-inspired murder would have been a stretch to sell to a jury, and may have had the opposite effect from what defense was seeking.

jmo

I agree. I think the best defense would be no defense. Simply state the prosecution didn't make it's case, period.

Blaming Odinists, or some guy driving a van to his parents' house, looks weak and weird and would likely not be taken seriously by the jury.

jmo

 

[ClearAhead]

It's actually 3 frames. That's it.

The jury got to see the entire video, all 47 seconds of it.

3 frames relayed over and over. If the repeat was set faster he could be jogging.

 

[MassGuy]

Not before the trial is concluded.

Does each state have its own rules when it comes to this sort of thing? I ask because I’ve followed quite a few cases where an alternate suspect was much more plausible than what’s being alleged here, and the defense was still forced to go with a general denial.

 

[Inthedetails]

Can I have my own thread?

Psst....if you need an alibi, let me know. I'm sure I saw you here at the time of the crime.

jmo

 

[minor4th]

They had a mock robbery at the bank I worked at with 10 bank employees present. None of the description matched.

Eyewitnesses are terrible and unreliable.

 

[fred&edna]

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JMO

Is it the button that looks like this "ᛊ" or the one that looks like this "ᛦ" ... I always get 'em confused.