Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #209

[MiniMoo]

He was unsure if he wore the black one or the blue one. I can think of a reason he'd equivocate here...

"Allen told the investigators he was wearing blue jeans and a Carhartt jacket. He said he had a black and blue jacket at the time, but he believed he wore the black one. Liggett asked if he was wearing a hat, Allen said that if he was, it would have been the "skull cap" he kept in his jacket pockets. Allen said he was wearing tennis shoes or military-style boots."

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/arrest-me-or-take-me-home-jury-watches-video-richard-allens-first-interview/

He wasn't firm with what he wore so no one should be going with a blue Carhartt jacket or blue jeans because this was never confirmed.

BG wore those clothes, but Richard Allen wasn't sure if what he wore was blue or black or if it was tennis shoes or military. He thought black because of something it had that the blue one didn't, I believe.

Also, didn't the LE collect most of these things from his home and test them?

Does anyone have what was collected, tested and ruled out?

What is fact is none of his DNA or blood was at the crime scene, but also nothing of Libby or Abby was found on anything tested from his home and car.

The same car he allegedly drove that day!

Blood isn't something easy to get rid of from the interior of a car I reckon.

Regardless, nothing came back as evidence from his home and car.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[FrostedGlass]

He was unsure if he wore the black one or the blue one. I can think of a reason he'd equivocate here...

"Allen told the investigators he was wearing blue jeans and a Carhartt jacket. He said he had a black and blue jacket at the time, but he believed he wore the black one. Liggett asked if he was wearing a hat, Allen said that if he was, it would have been the "skull cap" he kept in his jacket pockets. Allen said he was wearing tennis shoes or military-style boots."

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/arrest-me-or-take-me-home-jury-watches-video-richard-allens-first-interview/

Yes, that's what I wrote. I have never read that he said he was wearing a blue one. That came from the affidavit and IMO they reshaped what he said.

When that image of BG came out, we looked at every kind of footwear imaginable to try to find something that looked like what he was wearing. I don't think we ever found a match. Clearly, BG is not wearing military boots or tennis shoes.
MOO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Wow! In my opinion very few on here are listening anymore. MOO.
Let's take a deep breath and remember this is not a contest.

This is a trial and hopefully an explanation for the reason 2 tweens had their throats cut. Then bled out. One naked. One dressed in her best friend's clothes.

The jury has an awful emotional job to do BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THEY ARE GIVEN.
In a way they too are potential victims because when all is said and done some of them may regret the decision they made.

Abby and Libby deserve justice. Please let's agree on that and let the jury decide. We have opinions and most likely so do the jurors. They have a long row to hoe.

"Just the facts, Ma’am."

IMHO.

And this is not a circus, though some have tried to turn it into one.

For me, when the defense speaks, I don’t listen. They have proven themselves liars. I gave them a chance and they have proven themselves unworthy.

My opinion

 

[Inthedetails]

He wasn't firm with what he wore so no one should be going with a blue Carhartt jacket or blue jeans because this was never confirmed.

BG wore those clothes, but Richard Allen wasn't sure if what he wore was blue or black or if it was tennis shoes or military. He thought black because of something it hadnthat the blue one didn't, I believe.

Also, didn't the LE collect most of these things from his home and test them?

Does anyone have what was collected, tested and ruled out?

What is fact is none of his DNA or blood was at the crime scene, but also nothing of Libby or Abby was found on anything tested from his home and car.

The same car he allegedly drove that day!

Blood isn't something easy to get rid of from the interior of a car I reckon.

Regardless, nothing came back as evidence from his home and car.

JMO MOO JMT

He himself said that after he left his mom's house, he went home and bundled up. Why bundle up on an unseasonably warm day? Maybe to have a layer of dirty clothes to discard before getting into his car later?

jmo

 

[Spartygirl]

To my understanding...

The Defense needs to establish reasonable doubt - it is the State that has the burden of proof.

Third party possibilities should be permitted!

What has the State got to lose?

JMO MOO JMT

I agree== 3rd party should be permitted,
HOWEVER-- there has to be valid proof of that and the defense has yet to provide it.

 

[Arkay]

but also nothing of Libby or Abby was found on anything tested from his home and car.

The same car he allegedly drove that day!

Blood isn't something easy to get rid of from the interior of a car I reckon.

Regardless, nothing came back as evidence from his home and car.

SBM


He unfortunately had five years to clean up and throw away evidence before he was identified.

Yet one crucial piece of evidence WAS found at his home…his gun that matched the bullet at the crime scene, and which he declared he’d never loaned to anyone else.

My opinion but based on the evidence.

 

[MrsWatson]

Why didn't the state do this?

Because they had already established that from the witness testimony and it isn't a tv show?

MOO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Maybe that’s what they should be focussed on then instead of insisting on SODDI without proof.

They have a duty to defend Richard Allen.

IMO they are ill prepared and do nothing but regurgitate their fairy tales.

I personally believe Richard Allen is guilty but…he deserves better representation. He deserves better.

He was given the opportunity to kick them to the curb but chose to stay the course with his less than stellar lawyers.

At this point, they all deserve each other.

They created chaos and fanciful tales. They named names and called out others as the murderers. They did that! No one else. They did it!

IMO they should be held in contempt for the CS picture leak, breaking the gag order and their conduct.

IMO they should be disbarred.

IMO, JMO, IMHO, and as always ALL THAT JAZZ

Preach it!

 

[KSwizzle]

There’s an argument to be made he was not of sound mind, maybe still isn’t? It’s a fact he was forcibly given anti psychotic drugs after a state psychiatric spent some time with him, and it wasn’t just one injection

Mind you the state is saying he has always been of sound mind so I don’t know go figure, MOO

 

[MrsWatson]

There’s an argument to be made he was not of sound mind, maybe still isn’t? It’s a fact he was forcibly given anti psychotic drugs after a state psychiatric spent some time with him, and it wasn’t just one injection

Mind you the state is saying he has always been of sound mind so I don’t know go figure, MOO

If that argument was to be made, why did his defense never request an independent mental evaluation?

 

[Spartygirl]

Yeah, their descriptions varied and not one of the descriptions match Richard Allen.

I know eyewitness testimony is not so reliable, so I don’t put too much weight in it, but there are several people here posting about how all the witnesses identified RA or described BG. That’s simply not true.

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RA himself Puts himself there.

then was seen by other witnesses, in the same spots he said where he saw them.

 

[gremlin444]

finals updates for today: Mullin again and Leazenby

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-former-fire-chief-recalls-nighttime-search-for-girls-and-lack-of-sightings/

Dozens of interviews were lost, according to Mullin’s testimony, though some video was recovered but without audio. Mullin agreed with the attorneys that an interview without audio wouldn’t be very helpful.

.....

Prosecution cross-examined Mullin. Not only did the police chief deny feeding Weber information about the van, but Mullin stated phone records backed up Weber’s account of driving straight home after work.


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Gull denied the request to allow Pohl to remotely testify.

 

[NoeticSoul]

There’s an argument to be made he was not of sound mind, maybe still isn’t? It’s a fact he was forcibly given anti psychotic drugs after a state psychiatric spent some time with him, and it wasn’t just one injection

Mind you the state is saying he has always been of sound mind so I don’t know go figure, MOO

Totally faking it. Who eats their own poo, and then says (geeze) "I won't do that again" ... consciously?

moo

 

[flashy09]

He wasn't firm with what he wore so no one should be going with a blue Carhartt jacket or blue jeans because this was never confirmed.

BG wore those clothes, but Richard Allen wasn't sure if what he wore was blue or black or if it was tennis shoes or military. He thought black because of something it had that the blue one didn't, I believe.

Also, didn't the LE collect most of these things from his home and test them?

Does anyone have what was collected, tested and ruled out?

What is fact is none of his DNA or blood was at the crime scene, but also nothing of Libby or Abby was found on anything tested from his home and car.

The same car he allegedly drove that day!

Blood isn't something easy to get rid of from the interior of a car I reckon.

Regardless, nothing came back as evidence from his home and car.

JMO MOO JMT

I don't think RA was a bumbling, guy next door criminal he might seem to be. I am sure he was savvy to DNA and not getting blood in his car.

Prison guard tells jury he heard Richard Allen say 'I killed Abby and Libby' | Day 10 of Delphi murders trial

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

Allen says, "We're here because you're still looking. I'm not going to turn into that guy. I don't want to be the target of something. I've watch 'Dateline,' other shows. I'm not an idiot."

 

[KSwizzle]

If that argument was to be made, why did his defense never request an independent mental evaluation?

They’re a poor defense team? It could be multiple reasons, I’m not a part of the team I can only speculate and I’ve speculated previously they’re not doing a good job for RA, MOO

 

[photographer4]

He wasn't firm with what he wore so no one should be going with a blue Carhartt jacket or blue jeans because this was never confirmed.

BG wore those clothes, but Richard Allen wasn't sure if what he wore was blue or black or if it was tennis shoes or military. He thought black because of something it had that the blue one didn't, I believe.

Also, didn't the LE collect most of these things from his home and test them?

Does anyone have what was collected, tested and ruled out?

What is fact is none of his DNA or blood was at the crime scene, but also nothing of Libby or Abby was found on anything tested from his home and car.

The same car he allegedly drove that day!

Blood isn't something easy to get rid of from the interior of a car I reckon.

Regardless, nothing came back as evidence from his home and car.

JMO MOO JMT

I don't even care what they collected. Nothing they did collect and test linked RA to the scene or the kids. This is shocking imo after Wala testified that he stated:

"Allen then told Wala he covered Abby and Libby’s bodies with tree branches. He said he exited the area by keeping off the trail to not be seen. He said he returned to his vehicle...." -

Link to above: Allen: ‘I laid in wait’ - Carroll County Comet

Aside the lack of substance here, I noticed he didn't say he changed clothes, got rid of what he wore, washed at the creek or with a water bottle etc... he simply returned to his vehicle? And yet... NO EVIDENCE - not dna, not a single shred of transfer evidence could tie this man or that car to the murders?? That is absurd in my opinion!

Supporting link to no DNA ties RA or anyone else to the crime scene: Delphi murder trial: No DNA ties suspect or anyone else to crime scene, expert says

One of our very own WS members has a signature or a tagline, I forget which member or if its a tag or signature line, but if I recall rightly, it's a quote by Edmond Locard, a French Criminologist who I believe said: "every contact leaves a trace". - here is a link should you wish to learn more: Trace Evidence: Principles

 

[Mamamerced]

Dbm

 

[KSwizzle]

Totally faking it. Who eats their own poo, and then says (geeze) "I won't do that again" ... consciously?

moo

I’m not a psychiatrist but a licensed one decided he needed to be forcibly given this medication, MOO

 

[m00c0w]

It really is quite gross. Andrea Burkhart is quoted in my tagline line - the full quote was "today was really marked by obstruction." I hope the world is watching - this is not justice for anyone in my view. moooo.

Is this the same video where she called a witness someone straight out of deliverance with a meth mouth? Or is that a different video of hers? Not my opinion - just asking a question.

 

[otto]

But none pointed at Richard Allen to say:
"That is the man I saw!"


JMO MOO JMT

Does it matter? Libby, Abby, and Richard Allen (by admission, with witness) are on, or near, the bridge at the time that the girls are kidnapped. This is direct evidence. Eliminate the witnesses who testified to seeing a man (bridge guy or Richard Allen) heading to the bridge that day. They aren't relevant.

We're left with:

• an adult female witness placed Richard Allen on the first platform of Monon bridge
• Richard Allen confirmed that he was on or near the first platform of Monon bridge at that time looking at his phone and fish
• the adult female witness said that Libby and Abby walked past in the opposite direction, towards the bridge, as she walked to her car
• this places Richard Allen and the murdered girls on or near the Monon bridge at the time of the kidnappings

Does it really matter whether the other witnesses saw bridge guy on the trails heading toward the bridge?